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DS made racist comment at school

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ellie09 · 10/11/2024 11:31

I have a DS age 7 who has ASD and he struggles quite a bit socially.

I am utterly appalled and ashamed by what I have heard this morning. This wasn't any thing directly to me or by the teacher.

DS apparently made a comment to a girl in his class saying he "didn't want to play with her as she has brown skin". This apparently blown up in a private group chat on WhatsApp that I was not aware of. I hadn't had any communications from teachers or other parents, so I was confused.

His best friend at school is a Muslim boy and his granny is Brazilian. He has grown up around different skin colours from a baby. We have had a serious conversation today in which I have told him he must apologise to this girl tomorrow.

However, I am also angry that this has been put on a WhatsApp group before anybody has even spoken to me, I assume the teachers aren't even aware. Of course, this has caused outrage in the group chat (and rightly so!) but I can't help but feel this was wrongly handled by the other parent as this is a group of 7 year old children and issues like this can escalate very quickly.

How do I handle this moving forward? Do I request a meeting with the head teacher and make them aware of the incident etc?

I feel really sick at the thought of walking my child into school tomorrow, knowing that most will be judging based on what they have heard.

Btw, I'm not in the group chat - screenshots were sent to me by another parent.

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minisoksmakehardwork · 10/11/2024 17:01

Thing is, no one was there from the group to know what was said or how what was said was interpreted. I wonder if your son said he didn't want to play with the brown girl, using the colour as a descriptor rather than because she was brown. We will never know. But the school needs to handle all of this including the social media aspect before your son becomes as much a victim of this as the girl - she is still a victim because whether he said he didn't want to play with her because of her skin colour or using the colour as a descriptor, it's not acceptable as we'd never say 'the white person' in the same way.

Sawlt · 10/11/2024 17:01

normanprice62 · 10/11/2024 16:11

His asd and learning disability is extremely relevant.

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ASD not a free pass. DC should not be told that it’s beyond his control.

Goal should be to take responsibility, work with school on resolution and work w DC to prevent future similar mistake.

MrsSunshine2b · 10/11/2024 17:00

Matronic6 · 10/11/2024 15:52

I'm a teacher and a very experienced one at that. Parents absolutely should be having conversations with kids about race and why they exist, racism and why it is unacceptable and why we are all ultimately the same.

But to say a topic is off the table to a child is very misguided. Children need to be allowed to ask questions so they can understand and make sense of these differences. The idea that we 'just don't talk about these' things actually feeds into the problem. They want to understand the world around them including why people are different.

I have had plenty of pupils say things like this, things they don't necessarily mean the way they may sound. Her child has every right to be sad but the mum, as an adult has made this situation for worse by not reporting it directly to the school and allowing them to be investigate, which I am sure as a teacher you would know should have been investigated fairly rather than the mum shaming a child.

I said off limits for making comments about.

It's OK to ask questions about weight, race, and disability in an appropriate place out of earshot of someone who is likely to get their feelings hurt.

It's not acceptable to comment on it, especially not at school. There's no reason to be talking to someone about their body or their skin unless they raise it with you.

It's not the job of POC to answer questions about their skin colour. It's just as unacceptable as saying, "Why are you fat? I don't like fat bodies."

verysmellyjelly · 10/11/2024 16:59

@Maray1967 No concern for the racism? No concern for the little girl?

You do understand that people are allowed to discuss racist incidents that occur in their own communities?

Helpimfalling · 10/11/2024 16:58

Muslim isn't a race....there are lots of white Muslims too.

Just informing .... no hate at all

verysmellyjelly · 10/11/2024 16:58

@normanprice62 the "agenda" of ... not being racist???

And before you jump to oh I must be an evil ableist, I'm literally a severely disabled person. So that easy retort doesn't fly.

ellie09 · 10/11/2024 16:56

Maray1967 · 10/11/2024 16:55

Yes, that is what needs to happen here. The school needs to deal with the WhatsApp group admin quickly. No one should be running a WhatsApp group who does not shut down a mass shaming episode of a 7 year old child, for God’s sake.

The worst part is, one of the members of the group is a SEN classroom assistant employed by the school

You would think they would have the sense to shut it down and say to take it to the school

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ellie09 · 10/11/2024 15:18

Like I have previously said, it's absolutely normal to my DS. He has a granny who is a different race and several other family members. His class is highly multi-cultural and had no issues for 4 years at school with this

He had an issue in the summer with his skin turning "brown" which was a tan, and he had a hard time adapting to this which I think is linked to his autism. His comments made were self-projecting as he doesn't like his own skin changing. Nothing to do with the race of another person.

I have reminded him of societal expectations - that skin colour shouldn't be discussed in that way. He honestly told me he didn't know, he didn't know he upset anyone and now he is really nervous going to school in the morning, knowing such a big deal has been made over it.

My issue was, nobody approached me directly, nobody contacted the school, and decided it was best placed in a WhatsApp group that neither parent was a part of, so nothing could be addressed or dealt with.

If I wasn't friendly with one particular parent, I wouldn't have even have known anything was discussed.

I agree that it's issues like these need dealt with - I wasn't given an opportunity to talk it out with the other parent, no investigation into the event took place and I had to see messages calling my ASD 7 year old "disgusting" and demanding he be "dealt with harshly" by the school.

I am at the school every morning - they had every opportunity to pull me up for a chat on Monday morning and it would have been dealt with.

I have since had 2 messages from different parents saying they don't think the message was okay to post, particularly with DS autism and learning difficulties.

Hi OP, I totally get that this shouldn't have been part of a group chat which is subject to misrepresentation and Chinese whispers.
I agree that you should speak to the head teacher.Take care

normanprice62 · 10/11/2024 16:56

Anonymousess · 10/11/2024 16:54

You’re clearly unpleasant- what a childish retort. Being disabled isn’t a free pass to abuse others.

Grow up and pedal your agenda elsewhere.

Maray1967 · 10/11/2024 16:55

justasking111 · 10/11/2024 14:27

The headteacher at grandchildren school called in the admin of one WhatsApp group and said it's your group, you cannot dodge the responsibility of unpleasant posts and parents. That shook them up

Yes, that is what needs to happen here. The school needs to deal with the WhatsApp group admin quickly. No one should be running a WhatsApp group who does not shut down a mass shaming episode of a 7 year old child, for God’s sake.

ellie09 · 10/11/2024 16:54

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My son has still been punished.

He has spent today writing an apology card to the girl involved, and not been able to have any "fun" events that were planned this week e.g swimming and seeing his friends.

He has also had to sit through some educational videos on racism that are age friendly this afternoon.

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normanprice62 · 10/11/2024 15:42

Another one whos lost the plot! What do you want op to do exactly. She's done everything she can. You are clearly unpleasant and ableist.

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You’re clearly unpleasant- what a childish retort. Being disabled isn’t a free pass to abuse others.

GivingitToGod · 10/11/2024 16:54

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Extremely rude comment, totally uncalled for

Deja321 · 10/11/2024 16:53

verysmellyjelly · 10/11/2024 16:43

This was not just a "mean thing". This was a racist incident.

But he's only 7 years old so will not have that understanding. All his mum or teachers can do is explain to him why that comment is not okay. I hope no-one is trying to label a 7 year old child a racist.

CecilyP · 10/11/2024 16:52

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 10/11/2024 15:48

OP seems more interesting in the optics and the perceived injustice her child has faced. They have been dismissive of the behavior and not once centered the child this was said to. In fact they have effectively excused it because he described her as his girlfriend previously and because they know ethnic people and family.

How one earth have you got that from OP’s posts. Think you’re making up your own narrative here.

normanprice62 · 10/11/2024 16:52

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You're behaviour is pathetic. I'm embarrassed for you.

ellie09 · 10/11/2024 16:50

Also as an update

I am disgusted by DSs comments and it is not reflective of the household he was brought up in
Discussions were had a round race and edcated videos to DS (who learns more visually)
When DS calmed down, he explained a side where it seems there is deeper rooted racial comments happening in the school 2hich he has parroted
DS has been punished in the way I see fit - he had his Sunday fun activities taken away, he has spent this afternoon writing apology letters to the girl involved and has had to go through some videos etc of some education around race etc

I am so embarrassed and feel a lot of shame around this - I thought my child was brought up better than that

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Hunglikeapolevaulter · 10/11/2024 16:48

The whole thing, from the jump, should have been about the little girl, her feelings and recovery from a racist comment.

Realistically, most people are going to be concerned for their own child in the first instance.

AngryLikeHades · 10/11/2024 16:46

Then a statement where he said he doesn't like brown skin, which is self projecting as he was self conscious and a bit distressed that he was tanning in the sun over the summer and didn't like this change.
I think this is hugely relevant.
I'd tell the teachers this.
The fact that the OP, is challenging her son on his behaviour and helping him not to make the same mistake again is important and relevant also.

Scattery · 10/11/2024 16:46

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 10/11/2024 16:33

As opposed toe the power dynamic between presumably (based on OP description of said child's skin going brown in the sun) a white presenting boy and a brown girl. Yes, lets talk about intersectionality and power. The OP is feeling" really sick at the thought of walking my child into school tomorrow, knowing that most will be judging based on what they have heard". Lets ignore a 7 year old girl who might be feeling sick about going to school, the shops, the park, social media etc because she might be judged based on her skin colour. @Scattery

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The whole thing, from the jump, should have been about the little girl, her feelings and recovery from a racist comment.

The intersectionality comes in because adults took it to social media and started making derogatory comments on Whatsapp about a disabled boy who has a history of being teased to the point of meltdown at the school.

verysmellyjelly · 10/11/2024 16:45

SweetBobby · 10/11/2024 16:38

I'd confront the vicious gossipmonger who has been stirring up hatred against a child in a group chat.

Much as it may make you uncomfortable, people are allowed to talk about racism.

ellie09 · 10/11/2024 16:43

Can I just add that there is no indication at all that the girl in question who is SEVEN YEARS OLD is a bully.

My child has said he likes her and that he enjoys playing with her.

He has let me know the bullies names and I know who they are. Ironically, it's the kids who act nicest to him.

He has told me that these two children told him they don't like him because of his skin. So I think it's parroted behaviour.

I will be speaking with head teacher about getting a session in soon on race, diversity and inclusion in the school. My DS is apparently saying 2 children are saying they don't like him because of his skin colour.

It seems like a wider issue in the school itself.

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Ffs22 · 10/11/2024 16:43

The parents of the children, and the school, are the only ones that need to be involved with this incident. It shouldn’t be put out there for discussion by anyone else not directly involved.

verysmellyjelly · 10/11/2024 16:43

Deja321 · 10/11/2024 16:40

I would speak to the school/head first thing tomorrow and make them aware of the adults watsapp group.
Kids say mean things to each other.
At 7 years old I don't think your son will understand why that comment is so unacceptable. You can only talk to him and explain. He's just a child and the adults need to remember that.

This was not just a "mean thing". This was a racist incident.

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