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DS made racist comment at school

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ellie09 · 10/11/2024 11:31

I have a DS age 7 who has ASD and he struggles quite a bit socially.

I am utterly appalled and ashamed by what I have heard this morning. This wasn't any thing directly to me or by the teacher.

DS apparently made a comment to a girl in his class saying he "didn't want to play with her as she has brown skin". This apparently blown up in a private group chat on WhatsApp that I was not aware of. I hadn't had any communications from teachers or other parents, so I was confused.

His best friend at school is a Muslim boy and his granny is Brazilian. He has grown up around different skin colours from a baby. We have had a serious conversation today in which I have told him he must apologise to this girl tomorrow.

However, I am also angry that this has been put on a WhatsApp group before anybody has even spoken to me, I assume the teachers aren't even aware. Of course, this has caused outrage in the group chat (and rightly so!) but I can't help but feel this was wrongly handled by the other parent as this is a group of 7 year old children and issues like this can escalate very quickly.

How do I handle this moving forward? Do I request a meeting with the head teacher and make them aware of the incident etc?

I feel really sick at the thought of walking my child into school tomorrow, knowing that most will be judging based on what they have heard.

Btw, I'm not in the group chat - screenshots were sent to me by another parent.

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UsernameMcUsername · 03/06/2025 16:50

I don't understand why the girl's parent has launched into this on WhatsApp , especially without even contacting the school. That's extremely inappropriate. Sadly both my DSs have been properly attacked & hurt more than once in primary. My youngest DS currently has a classmate who regularly makes inappropriate sexual comments. It would just never enter my head to broadcast any of these incidents on the class WhatsApp.

ThatRareUmberJoker · 14/11/2024 19:23

Isabellivi · 14/11/2024 17:33

Almost every culture has a “history of invading other countries” and I am not sure what this has to do with kids saying dumb/rude stuff.

Britain France and USA were the first countries to make slavery illegal and western civilization has lead the world in creating the most tolerant societies with strongest civil rights - particularly to vulnerable minorities, women, children, animals and environment. I am proud of MY culture.

A little more reading for you.

https://taxjustice.net/2020/06/09/slavery-compensation-uk-questions/

Britain’s Slave Owner Compensation Loan, reparations and tax havenry | Tax Justice Network

It’s hard to believe but it was only in 2015 that, according to the Treasury, British taxpayers finished ‘paying off’ the debt which the British government incurred in order to compensate British slave owners in 1835 because of the abolition of slavery...

https://taxjustice.net/2020/06/09/slavery-compensation-uk-questions

Isabellivi · 14/11/2024 17:33

Almost every culture has a “history of invading other countries” and I am not sure what this has to do with kids saying dumb/rude stuff.

Britain France and USA were the first countries to make slavery illegal and western civilization has lead the world in creating the most tolerant societies with strongest civil rights - particularly to vulnerable minorities, women, children, animals and environment. I am proud of MY culture.

Gogogo12345 · 14/11/2024 12:20

ElatedShark · 13/11/2024 22:31

I'm more concerned for the innocent little girl.

Your son having a brown skinned friend is irrelevant as is having asd to being racist. Hopefully this friend didn't hear him say that.

I see nothing wrong with the parents sharing this, especially if they have children who may be affected from hearing that.
It's not their or the little girls responsibility to make your kid feel better for being racist.

Nor are they obligated to speak with you, or owe it to you or your son not to tell anyone but the teacher.

racial comments not matter how trivial they may seem to some causes lasting damage to minority kids and they are looking out for their daughter as they should.

I don't really get why you want to escalate it further, just ask him to apologise (not force him as he shouldn't do it if he doesn't want to). Your son will be fine

So white kids aren't affected by racial slurs then?

Harassedevictee · 14/11/2024 10:07

ElatedShark · 13/11/2024 22:31

I'm more concerned for the innocent little girl.

Your son having a brown skinned friend is irrelevant as is having asd to being racist. Hopefully this friend didn't hear him say that.

I see nothing wrong with the parents sharing this, especially if they have children who may be affected from hearing that.
It's not their or the little girls responsibility to make your kid feel better for being racist.

Nor are they obligated to speak with you, or owe it to you or your son not to tell anyone but the teacher.

racial comments not matter how trivial they may seem to some causes lasting damage to minority kids and they are looking out for their daughter as they should.

I don't really get why you want to escalate it further, just ask him to apologise (not force him as he shouldn't do it if he doesn't want to). Your son will be fine

At least read the ops updates. There was no girl involved.

Parent’s misinformation has harmed the ops son by spreading inaccurate information. How do you go about correcting that?

ElatedShark · 13/11/2024 22:37

Isabellivi · 13/11/2024 05:26

7 year olds say all kinds of stupid stuff, some more than other. To make a big deal out of anything so petty is on them as people with too much moral outrage and not enough hobbies. Even my 11 year old girl has said things that I consider racist but she is IMMATURE and trying to be funny or edgy. As adults we need to gently remind and reprove children to be kind, humble, forgiving, compassionate- these parents are not modeling those virtues for their children. You don’t need to apologize. Your son should but the shaming and bullying people for racism is getting ridiculous. Victimhood is the new virtue.

I hope you have this same attitude when your racist daughter is faced with being bullied for being edgy or the various pitfalls of being a teen, don't cry the victim hood card then.

Teenage girls can be vicious but it's all just IMMATURE play right?

ElatedShark · 13/11/2024 22:31

I'm more concerned for the innocent little girl.

Your son having a brown skinned friend is irrelevant as is having asd to being racist. Hopefully this friend didn't hear him say that.

I see nothing wrong with the parents sharing this, especially if they have children who may be affected from hearing that.
It's not their or the little girls responsibility to make your kid feel better for being racist.

Nor are they obligated to speak with you, or owe it to you or your son not to tell anyone but the teacher.

racial comments not matter how trivial they may seem to some causes lasting damage to minority kids and they are looking out for their daughter as they should.

I don't really get why you want to escalate it further, just ask him to apologise (not force him as he shouldn't do it if he doesn't want to). Your son will be fine

Onemorenamechangeagain · 13/11/2024 19:42

Deja321 · 13/11/2024 16:04

Politicians invading other countries isn't the fault of the every day person. Any country should be able to control immigration so they people already there aren't affected negatively.

But it wasn't just politicians was it. A lot of it was ordinary people recruited by the government at the time to do their dirty work for them. And they were happy to do it.

peppermintteacup · 13/11/2024 17:07

@HermoinePotter

"The school can say what they like, they can put out communication on their views until they’re blue in the face but this will never stop parents having private Watsapp groups. As I said, they can’t control what other parents say on groups. "

That's true. As with a lot of things in life, you can't control what others do, you can only control how you respond.

The school can expel the child for parental breaches of parental code of conducts.

This is a thing schools do.

ThatRareUmberJoker · 13/11/2024 16:58

Deja321 · 13/11/2024 16:04

Politicians invading other countries isn't the fault of the every day person. Any country should be able to control immigration so they people already there aren't affected negatively.

This country would be nothing if it didn't invade other countries and took from them. Let's not forget that. More importantly we aren't having children that's the problem and that alone will affect us negatively. I have uploaded an interesting article that talks about the reason why we need immigration and why women don't want children. Apparently, they are more happy in their lives without children. One of my daughters is adamant she is not having children she wants a cat or a dog or both.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/02/falling-birthrates-immigration-women-children-demographics

When desperate measures to persuade women to have children fail, it’s time for fresh thinking | Devi Sridhar

Free pets? Baby bonuses? Surely the solution to falling birthrates is clarity on immigration, says Devi Sridhar, chair of global public health at the University of Edinburgh

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/02/falling-birthrates-immigration-women-children-demographics

peppermintteacup · 13/11/2024 16:56

@pookie999

Another PP is " "so sure" this girl has done things her mother wishes she had not. Assumptions about people you have no relationship with are ridiculous."

because she's a child. That's how children are, even ones you've never met. The balance of probabilities makes this very likely.

Deja321 · 13/11/2024 16:04

ThatRareUmberJoker · 13/11/2024 13:31

Racism and bullying starts in secondary school especially if there is no culture in the town or village they grew up in. They know nothing of the world except for what's in front of them. Most of the time when my partner does a job in the village they always ask him "you live around here?" His response is "yea, round the corner, if you ever need anything walk round and knock my door". The look of horror is written all over their faces. It makes you wonder if they've put the house up for sale and he's told Marg that they have to quickly move.

I don't know how I survived the town I live in 16 years of hell it's only now it's getting better. Over 70% voted leave I hated living here. Now people from all parts of the world are coming to live here. It serves them right. This country has a history of invading and taking over other countries and yet no one can come here?

Politicians invading other countries isn't the fault of the every day person. Any country should be able to control immigration so they people already there aren't affected negatively.

ThatRareUmberJoker · 13/11/2024 13:31

Isabellivi · 13/11/2024 05:26

7 year olds say all kinds of stupid stuff, some more than other. To make a big deal out of anything so petty is on them as people with too much moral outrage and not enough hobbies. Even my 11 year old girl has said things that I consider racist but she is IMMATURE and trying to be funny or edgy. As adults we need to gently remind and reprove children to be kind, humble, forgiving, compassionate- these parents are not modeling those virtues for their children. You don’t need to apologize. Your son should but the shaming and bullying people for racism is getting ridiculous. Victimhood is the new virtue.

Racism and bullying starts in secondary school especially if there is no culture in the town or village they grew up in. They know nothing of the world except for what's in front of them. Most of the time when my partner does a job in the village they always ask him "you live around here?" His response is "yea, round the corner, if you ever need anything walk round and knock my door". The look of horror is written all over their faces. It makes you wonder if they've put the house up for sale and he's told Marg that they have to quickly move.

I don't know how I survived the town I live in 16 years of hell it's only now it's getting better. Over 70% voted leave I hated living here. Now people from all parts of the world are coming to live here. It serves them right. This country has a history of invading and taking over other countries and yet no one can come here?

Isabellivi · 13/11/2024 05:26

7 year olds say all kinds of stupid stuff, some more than other. To make a big deal out of anything so petty is on them as people with too much moral outrage and not enough hobbies. Even my 11 year old girl has said things that I consider racist but she is IMMATURE and trying to be funny or edgy. As adults we need to gently remind and reprove children to be kind, humble, forgiving, compassionate- these parents are not modeling those virtues for their children. You don’t need to apologize. Your son should but the shaming and bullying people for racism is getting ridiculous. Victimhood is the new virtue.

ToWhitToWhoo · 12/11/2024 21:37

As it turns out from the updates, the girl was not involved at all. The OP's ds made the comment to his friend, a boy. The Whatsapp parents got the story very garbled.

pookie999 · 12/11/2024 16:26

Mischance · 10/11/2024 11:49

In the main we make allowances when 7 year olds make mistakes, especially social ones. We focus on helping that child to understand that what they have said is unacceptable and helping them to learn for the future. We do not expect them to arrive fully socially formed and aware.

The chances are he did not want to play with this girl for lots of reasons. Choosing friends is part of primary learning.

Whoever put this in a WA group was out of order - it is so easy for children to feel ostracized and parental piling in does not help. Who amongst us has not had a moment when a child of ours does something we wish they had not? - hit, spat, lost their tempers etc. - or like one of my little ones who asked why a fat lady approaching us in the street had "no knees" - we all have moments when we want the floor to swallow us up. We use it as a learning opportunity and make allowances for their immaturity, whilst at the same time being quite clear about what is acceptable or not.

I would speak to the girl's mother and say you are very sad to hear what your son said and that she can rest assured that you are dealing with this with your son. I am sure this girl has herself done things her mother would rather she had not - hopefully she will understand and will appreciate your seeking her out.

I think it is worth making the teacher aware of what has happened so that he/she can be on the alert for any discomfort from the girl involved.

Unfortunately I do not think you can do anything about what goes onto a private group chat. Fellow parents should understand that our children (especially when small) sometimes let us down.

Why are you "so sure" this girl has done things her mother wishes she had not. Assumptions about people you have no relationship with are ridiculous

Deja321 · 12/11/2024 15:51

TheEveningSun · 12/11/2024 00:05

My DS said he didn’t want to play with the boy in his preschool because he was brown. He was 3.5 back then. This year he said the same thing about another boy. I have no idea where it came from! I was mortified, we talked to him a lot about it. Just hoping he wont say it in school. Then he also said he didn’t want to play with his other classmate because he spoke another language (moved to the uk few months ago so isn’t fluent in English). I’m not British and my children speak two languages. It’s just bizarre why he’s saying these things. He’s not ND, and is a very kind boy and good friend otherwise.
he told me one evening they teach them at school about the fact that people with dark skin couldn’t do important jobs back in the days but now they can be doctors etc so it’s good. I just think it’s way too early to teach them about that?
im sure if he said it in school the judgment would be on parents probably being racist where it’s totally not the case in our house.

I had the same thing. My child was 5 years old. He came home and said the teacher told them in the past black people weren't allowed to sit next to white people on the bus and had to give seats up for the white people. I thought why on earth would you teach such a thing to such young children. I'm sure they were trying to teach them that its wrong but I think its putting those ideas in their heads from such a young age. If such young children are being taught those things they will already start to look at skin colour and see each other differently imo.
They're too young to fully comprehend what is being said and if the idea is not put into their head then surely they won't judge each others skin colour negatively, maybe just a curiosity which can be discussed in a more positive way.
It maybe children are hearing stories like that and then repeating, so not necessarily coming from home.

BlueFlowers5 · 12/11/2024 11:31

I might be asking OP what the atmosphere and ethos of the school is if your DS had heard that type of statement beforehand or the atmosphere is such that it would be unacceptable?

Maggiethecat · 12/11/2024 11:14

Sleepytiredyawn · 12/11/2024 10:21

I don’t particularly like saying any of the terms as people are people to me. People can describe others or themselves whichever way they choose. Where I work, there are a lot of people who think it’s ok to refer to people from Pakistan using the shortened version of that word because their families are from India, although there were born in the UK but I would never use that word, I don’t think it’s ok.

I just don’t like to refer to people as black, I don’t like to refer to anyone’s skin colour as I just don’t see it necessary although I don’t pull other people up for using whatever word they feel to describe someone as I would probably spend most of my days in arguments.

So @ThatRareUmberJoker has pointed out why some might find the term offensive and you’ve essentially called them a dick?

potatocakesinprogress · 12/11/2024 10:51

ellie09 · 10/11/2024 23:35

It's put my mind at ease a bit - but also an important lesson not to take children's words as gospel! You can take them seriously and investigate further, but to then go to a group chat and broadcast to multiple others on an issue such as racism without having the facts is just frustrating.

Still, DS has been spoken to about not mentioning skin colour in conversations with his friends at school moving forward.

As a brown skinned person, this makes me sad. People are so scared of what they're saying being misconstrued that no one can talk about race any more.

ThatRareUmberJoker · 12/11/2024 10:26

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Start a new thread you can do it under chat or aibu to get the traffic you want so your question is answered.

Sleepytiredyawn · 12/11/2024 10:21

ThatRareUmberJoker · 12/11/2024 09:37

On medical forms it asks what is your ethnicity black British or white British not coloured. You wouldn't call a white person coloured would you.

I don’t particularly like saying any of the terms as people are people to me. People can describe others or themselves whichever way they choose. Where I work, there are a lot of people who think it’s ok to refer to people from Pakistan using the shortened version of that word because their families are from India, although there were born in the UK but I would never use that word, I don’t think it’s ok.

I just don’t like to refer to people as black, I don’t like to refer to anyone’s skin colour as I just don’t see it necessary although I don’t pull other people up for using whatever word they feel to describe someone as I would probably spend most of my days in arguments.

Harassedevictee · 12/11/2024 10:21

@GeriMumma41 you need to start your own thread.

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peanutmother · 12/11/2024 10:11

I don't agree that social media is the right platform for these discussions. The parent should have approached the school or you directly (if they know you well enough)

St aged 7, kids don't always know what they saying or why

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