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If you don’t want to observe two minute silence- don’t be out

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Mokel · 10/11/2024 08:46

Every Remembrance Sunday and Nov 11th, when I worked at retail, we did a tannoy announcement with 5 min, 2 min before to inform customers that the store will be observing the 2 min silence. Then another to start it.

Every time there were customers who kept talking. Plus one time a woman in her 50s shouted “why can’t anyone serve me some fucking fags?” Everyone just looked at her. Some had the courage to say how disrespectful she was once the silence ended.

If you are unable or refuse to observe the silence at 11am today or tomorrow, please don’t be in a public place.

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StandingSideBySide · 12/11/2024 16:13

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 12/11/2024 16:10

@StandingSideBySide - I do think that you are making a good point - personally I respect other people's choice to not observe the silence, if they don't want to. I can also understand why some people want to protest about what happened - but would argue that they could protest outwith the Remembrance commemorations.

But I also respect the sacrifices that were made, which stopped Hitler in his tracks. I am very glad he didn't win WW2 - I can't imagine our lives would have been beds of roses, if he had.

I agree with you in part and Thankyou
However the British Armed Forces have been involved in more than the two world wars.
Its their involvement in other areas that people forget

Rhaidimiddim · 12/11/2024 16:12

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/11/2024 15:45

You're not being asked to show respect to the armed forces, you're being asked to show respect for the people around you who want to observe the two minutes' silence.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Let them take it to a cemetary or a church or a cenotaph, if it means that much to them, and not impose it on me.

AnnieSnap · 12/11/2024 16:11

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/11/2024 15:45

You're not being asked to show respect to the armed forces, you're being asked to show respect for the people around you who want to observe the two minutes' silence.

Why is this so hard to understand?

FFS! Why doesn’t that work both ways then. Ridiculous!

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 12/11/2024 16:10

@StandingSideBySide - I do think that you are making a good point - personally I respect other people's choice to not observe the silence, if they don't want to. I can also understand why some people want to protest about what happened - but would argue that they could protest outwith the Remembrance commemorations.

But I also respect the sacrifices that were made, which stopped Hitler in his tracks. I am very glad he didn't win WW2 - I can't imagine our lives would have been beds of roses, if he had.

AnnieSnap · 12/11/2024 16:10

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/11/2024 14:44

They're not exercising anything, they're just being twats.

Do explain . . . .

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/11/2024 16:00

StandingSideBySide · 12/11/2024 15:51

Like I said
I personally wouldn’t make noise and don’t think it’s appropriate I just don’t think everyone has to stand still as well.

For those who do make noise…..we don’t know their lives……
Name calling is disrespectful.

I know that most people are capable of keeping quiet for two minutes and see no need to respect people whose behaviour makes them undeserving of it.

StandingSideBySide · 12/11/2024 15:51

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/11/2024 15:45

You're not being asked to show respect to the armed forces, you're being asked to show respect for the people around you who want to observe the two minutes' silence.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Like I said
I personally wouldn’t make noise and don’t think it’s appropriate I just don’t think everyone has to stand still as well.

For those who do make noise…..we don’t know their lives……
Name calling is disrespectful.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 12/11/2024 15:50

Sometimesright · 12/11/2024 15:39

That’s bollocks! Watch
that halo you’re wearing doesn’t choke you!
you don’t do remembrance! It’s in your heart always. Don’t make assumptions about me you don’t know anything about my family or military connections love!

Keep your dirty looks to yourself then. Love.

StandingSideBySide · 12/11/2024 15:47

Snoopyandlucy · 12/11/2024 15:44

I agree it’s respectful to others to stay quiet (excepting people who can’t owing to age or disability etc).

However, some pp have mentioned they’ve been thrown filthy looks for quietly continuing about their business while others stand still to reflect, and I don’t think that’s fair at all.

To be clear, I’m talking about people continuing to walk about a supermarket quietly, scanning and choosing something from shelves etc, NOT throwing tins noisily into baskets. So being quiet but on the move. Do people object to this too - because it seems like some might?

Edited

Absolutely agree,
I wouldn’t be surprised if brain scans were required aswell to make sure people being quiet and standing still aren’t thinking about their shopping list.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/11/2024 15:45

StandingSideBySide · 12/11/2024 15:42

It’s not about making a protest it’s about being expected to show respect to the British Armed Forces who , for some people, have suffered at their hands.

Im repeating myself here and it seems pointless if some can’t appreciate that the British Armed Forces have been the aggressors in many cases.

If everyone has a right to remember them, as you say, then equally everyone has a right not to. It’s called equality and whilst personally I think it’s not OK to shout or disrupt during the period of silence it’s understandable why some people may chose to ignore it. We don’t know their lives, we don’t know what’s happened to them or their families.
Would you really call a person a twat after they kick off because their family members were killed by the British Armed Forces. I find even thinking that insensitive

Theres clearly no point explaining again. Sometimes if people haven’t experienced it personally they don’t appreciate it. Luckily some on here do understand

Edited

You're not being asked to show respect to the armed forces, you're being asked to show respect for the people around you who want to observe the two minutes' silence.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Snoopyandlucy · 12/11/2024 15:44

I agree it’s respectful to others to stay quiet (excepting people who can’t owing to age or disability etc).

However, some pp have mentioned they’ve been thrown filthy looks for quietly continuing about their business while others stand still to reflect, and I don’t think that’s fair at all.

To be clear, I’m talking about people continuing to walk about a supermarket quietly, scanning and choosing something from shelves etc, NOT throwing tins noisily into baskets. So being quiet but on the move. Do people object to this too - because it seems like some might?

StandingSideBySide · 12/11/2024 15:42

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/11/2024 15:30

I'd respect other people's right to remember those who gave their lives for their country (which may indeed include their own family members) and make my protest some other time.

It’s not about making a protest it’s about being expected to show respect to the British Armed Forces who , for some people, have suffered at their hands.

Im repeating myself here and it seems pointless if some can’t appreciate that the British Armed Forces have been the aggressors in many cases.

If everyone has a right to remember them, as you say, then equally everyone has a right not to. It’s called equality and whilst personally I think it’s not OK to shout or disrupt during the period of silence it’s understandable why some people may chose to ignore it. We don’t know their lives, we don’t know what’s happened to them or their families.
Would you really call a person a twat after they kick off because their family members were killed by the British Armed Forces. I find even thinking that insensitive

Theres clearly no point explaining again. Sometimes if people haven’t experienced it personally they don’t appreciate it. Luckily some on here do understand

Sometimesright · 12/11/2024 15:39

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 12/11/2024 15:33

So you'd be swivelling your eyes around instead of actually observing the silence and thinking. I expect you think you're doing 'remembrance' better but you're just the same as those being disruptive. Shame on you.

That’s bollocks! Watch
that halo you’re wearing doesn’t choke you!
you don’t do remembrance! It’s in your heart always. Don’t make assumptions about me you don’t know anything about my family or military connections love!

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 12/11/2024 15:33

Sometimesright · 12/11/2024 15:11

But you can give them a filthy look though! ( I would ) but also I know my 7 year old autistic grandson wouldn’t manage it. And some people that have disabilities would maybe struggle and that’s fine. There is a difference between not keeping silent because you can’t or just choosing to not do so and trying to deliberately make someone who is observing it talk ( in a shop for instance) that winds the hell out of me!

So you'd be swivelling your eyes around instead of actually observing the silence and thinking. I expect you think you're doing 'remembrance' better but you're just the same as those being disruptive. Shame on you.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/11/2024 15:30

StandingSideBySide · 12/11/2024 15:12

So you would happily respect your families aggressors and invaders who shot them in cold blood and subsequently got away with it.

I'd respect other people's right to remember those who gave their lives for their country (which may indeed include their own family members) and make my protest some other time.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 12/11/2024 15:16

Mokel · 10/11/2024 08:46

Every Remembrance Sunday and Nov 11th, when I worked at retail, we did a tannoy announcement with 5 min, 2 min before to inform customers that the store will be observing the 2 min silence. Then another to start it.

Every time there were customers who kept talking. Plus one time a woman in her 50s shouted “why can’t anyone serve me some fucking fags?” Everyone just looked at her. Some had the courage to say how disrespectful she was once the silence ended.

If you are unable or refuse to observe the silence at 11am today or tomorrow, please don’t be in a public place.

I don't agree that people should have to stay inside, if they don't want to observe the 2 minutes' silence, @Mokel, but I don't think it is unreasonable to ask them to respect those who do want to observe it - ie. carry on doing their shopping, but quietly and without disturbing those who are observing the silence (as far as is possible - not everyone is able to stay silent - people with disabilities or people who are neurodiverse, or small children, for example). It isn't a major hardship to stop talking for 2 minutes, or to wait briefly to be served. The woman who was shouting and swearing because she had to wait 2 minutes for her cigarettes was absolutely bang out of order, in my opinion.

StandingSideBySide · 12/11/2024 15:12

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/11/2024 15:06

If you're making a noise because you have Tourettes or you don't have the necessary cognitive understanding to appreciate why other people are staying quiet, then no, you're not a twat.

But most people are perfectly capable of staying quiet for a very short window of time to allow other people to observe the silence, and if you desperately feel the need to make a scene right at that moment to show how much you don't care, then yes, sorry but you're a twat.

So you would happily respect your families aggressors and invaders who shot them in cold blood and subsequently got away with it.

Sometimesright · 12/11/2024 15:11

Pandasnacks · 10/11/2024 08:54

Why would anyone who doesn't want to observe a minutes silence choose to stay home rather than disturb it? They don't care about it, so they're obviously not going to stop living their lives for it.

I agree it's incredibly disrespectful but you don't get to demand people follow it, and obviously for a wide variety of reasons not everybody can observe it.

But you can give them a filthy look though! ( I would ) but also I know my 7 year old autistic grandson wouldn’t manage it. And some people that have disabilities would maybe struggle and that’s fine. There is a difference between not keeping silent because you can’t or just choosing to not do so and trying to deliberately make someone who is observing it talk ( in a shop for instance) that winds the hell out of me!

Peregrina · 12/11/2024 15:10

I do question what exactly we are Remembering now. I have already said that it's become a performance with people on TV having to wear a poppy.

Next year we will have the VE day commemorations and I do think they will be worth commemorating. Although the vast majority of the people who fought have passed away I imagine that many of us will still have parents or grandparents who were alive during the war.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/11/2024 15:06

StandingSideBySide · 12/11/2024 14:56

I wasn’t saying I think it’s ok to shout during that time
I was simply trying to point out that calling people twats when you have no idea of their lives isn’t OK either.

If you're making a noise because you have Tourettes or you don't have the necessary cognitive understanding to appreciate why other people are staying quiet, then no, you're not a twat.

But most people are perfectly capable of staying quiet for a very short window of time to allow other people to observe the silence, and if you desperately feel the need to make a scene right at that moment to show how much you don't care, then yes, sorry but you're a twat.

StandingSideBySide · 12/11/2024 14:56

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/11/2024 14:51

They're free to share their thoughts about the armed forced with the rest of the class during any of the other 525,598 minutes in the year, but doing it during the two minutes' silence is not respecting those who choose to observe it.

I wasn’t saying I think it’s ok to shout during that time
I was simply trying to point out that calling people twats when you have no idea of their lives isn’t OK either.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/11/2024 14:51

StandingSideBySide · 12/11/2024 14:48

Or have been negatively affected by the British Armed Forces.
We don’t know what sort of a life a random person next to us has lead.

Respect for all.

They're free to share their thoughts about the armed forced with the rest of the class during any of the other 525,598 minutes in the year, but doing it during the two minutes' silence is not respecting those who choose to observe it.

StandingSideBySide · 12/11/2024 14:48

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/11/2024 14:44

They're not exercising anything, they're just being twats.

Or have been negatively affected by the British Armed Forces.
We don’t know what sort of a life a random person next to us has lead.

Respect for all.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/11/2024 14:44

AnnieSnap · 12/11/2024 13:52

That they don’t winge if other people exercise their fought for freedom of choice and not maintain the silence.

They're not exercising anything, they're just being twats.

StandingSideBySide · 12/11/2024 14:42

taxguru · 12/11/2024 13:45

Complete rubbish. I've been going to our local football club matches for 40 years. It's ALWAYS been marked at the nearest home game to Remembrance Sunday by a small armed forces parade, playing of the bugle and 2 minutes silence.

It was also observed at UK airports. We twice went on holiday in the 90s on Remembrance day, and the whole airport stopped and went silent at 11am. I know it was the 90s because we've never been on a foreign winter holiday since our son was born in 2002!

I also remember it being held in shopping centres and supermarkets virtually continuously back as far as I remember.

To say it was "barely marked" until 2014 simply isn't true.

A PP said Tony Blair brought the two minute silence in in 1991 after involvement from pressure groups.