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If you don’t want to observe two minute silence- don’t be out

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Mokel · 10/11/2024 08:46

Every Remembrance Sunday and Nov 11th, when I worked at retail, we did a tannoy announcement with 5 min, 2 min before to inform customers that the store will be observing the 2 min silence. Then another to start it.

Every time there were customers who kept talking. Plus one time a woman in her 50s shouted “why can’t anyone serve me some fucking fags?” Everyone just looked at her. Some had the courage to say how disrespectful she was once the silence ended.

If you are unable or refuse to observe the silence at 11am today or tomorrow, please don’t be in a public place.

OP posts:
MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/11/2024 18:54

Rhaidimiddim · 12/11/2024 18:26

We're literally being asked to stay home if we don't want to join in the performance, or interrupt what we're doing so as not to upset the two-minute silencers. No - YOU stay home!

No you aren't. If the OP made a post asking people who can't eat a meal without making loud phone calls and belching rudely to eat at home instead of going to restaurants, would you say she was trying to ban you from restaurants?

StandingSideBySide · 12/11/2024 18:53

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 12/11/2024 18:22

So your 'ilk' can be disrespectful to those who are observing the silence just because they disagree with it? To be honest, anyone who chooses not to wait 2 minutes is a knob. That's not directed at you personally, it's a general observation.

One question, how do you feel about other silences, e.g. if you were at a theatre or sporting event? I didn't observe the silence for Covid victims or, further back, for Princess Diana but I wouldn't have interrupted those who did. (That's a genuine question BTW)

Not bothered about them
They are not for The British Armed forces.

Surely that’s obvious

StandingSideBySide · 12/11/2024 18:48

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/11/2024 18:13

You're not being asked to love them. You're literally being asked not to disturb other people for TWO WHOLE MINUTES PER YEAR.

If you look back to the pp you’ll see why I said that!

CG90 · 12/11/2024 18:45

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/11/2024 18:13

You're not being asked to love them. You're literally being asked not to disturb other people for TWO WHOLE MINUTES PER YEAR.

I think it’s unreasonable to ask people, affected by the British army’s actions, to be considerate to those having a 2 minute silence as a mark of respect for the same army.

Everyone is going round in circles and I don’t think both sides will ever agree tbh.

Clarabell77 · 12/11/2024 18:43

itsgettingweird · 10/11/2024 09:36

I agree everyone has the right to choose not to observe it.

They can continue to shop or walk about etc.

However people must also respect that it is observed nationally. And that retail operatives will stop serving and the silence and observance will affect them in that way.

The OP has in jowly said those who can't understand or be quiet should be locked up indoors.

She has - rightly imo- suggested that if those nationally observing the silence is an issue for you you are best of avoiding public spaces where it's being observed.

The same way of you hate balloons you're best off avoiding a balloon festival!

Not quite the same, the woman was in a shop, not at a remembrance service.

I personally think it’s turned into a bit of right wing/British Nationalist propaganda and I’m a bit sick of it being rammed down my throat at every opportunity. I wouldn’t behave the way the woman in the OP did though.

Rhaidimiddim · 12/11/2024 18:38

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 12/11/2024 18:22

So your 'ilk' can be disrespectful to those who are observing the silence just because they disagree with it? To be honest, anyone who chooses not to wait 2 minutes is a knob. That's not directed at you personally, it's a general observation.

One question, how do you feel about other silences, e.g. if you were at a theatre or sporting event? I didn't observe the silence for Covid victims or, further back, for Princess Diana but I wouldn't have interrupted those who did. (That's a genuine question BTW)

They regard me as disrespecting them because I don't share their rituals. I don't think I'm disrespecting anyone - I'm just getting on with my shopping.

Rhaidimiddim · 12/11/2024 18:26

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/11/2024 18:13

You're not being asked to love them. You're literally being asked not to disturb other people for TWO WHOLE MINUTES PER YEAR.

We're literally being asked to stay home if we don't want to join in the performance, or interrupt what we're doing so as not to upset the two-minute silencers. No - YOU stay home!

Rhaidimiddim · 12/11/2024 18:23

I cannot fathom the mentality of someone to whom it means so much to do the two-minute silence/ contemplation thing, that they choose to do it in a supermarket! If it really means that much to you, do it somewhere whete you know you will get the experience you want!

If the OP and her ilk take anything from this thread, it should be that a lot of people do not do the two-minute silence, for a variety of reasons. Therefore, next year, as a member of a learning-animal species, they should not be surprised and disappointed if their ritual is again disrupted by the general population, and, if it is that important to them, they will stay home to perform it.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 12/11/2024 18:22

Rhaidimiddim · 12/11/2024 17:34

If you wear a poppy, you are a poppy wearer. If you insist someoneelse wrars on, you're a poppy fascist.

I' am my ilk been called knobs and twats more than once on this thread. The disrespect is certainly flowing from the other direction.

So your 'ilk' can be disrespectful to those who are observing the silence just because they disagree with it? To be honest, anyone who chooses not to wait 2 minutes is a knob. That's not directed at you personally, it's a general observation.

One question, how do you feel about other silences, e.g. if you were at a theatre or sporting event? I didn't observe the silence for Covid victims or, further back, for Princess Diana but I wouldn't have interrupted those who did. (That's a genuine question BTW)

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/11/2024 18:13

StandingSideBySide · 12/11/2024 17:14

Will you give short shift to family members of those executed by the British Armed Forces on Bloody Sunday!

They could be right next to you!
Take a thought before you assume we all love the British Forces.

You're not being asked to love them. You're literally being asked not to disturb other people for TWO WHOLE MINUTES PER YEAR.

Rhaidimiddim · 12/11/2024 17:50

BakedAlaska12 · 12/11/2024 17:01

People are talking about it being performative, but if that’s how you look at it then anything and everything is performative…

why have attend a funeral? You can say goodby quietly on your own. The person is dead, they won’t know if you are there.

Why sing happy birthday? It’s too performative, you can just say happy birthday privately if you really want to.

You choose to attend/ do those things, so nomprallel with people wanting other people to validatevthire two-minute silence. A parallel would bevme standing in thr toqn centre and insusting on everybody singing Happy Birthday to me.

StandingSideBySide · 12/11/2024 17:41

Rhaidimiddim · 12/11/2024 17:34

If you wear a poppy, you are a poppy wearer. If you insist someoneelse wrars on, you're a poppy fascist.

I' am my ilk been called knobs and twats more than once on this thread. The disrespect is certainly flowing from the other direction.

Which is weird as the insults and name calling are from those who want to reflect and respect
oo the irony

Rhaidimiddim · 12/11/2024 17:34

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 12/11/2024 16:52

Not everyone who chooses to wear a poppy or observe a two minutes silence is a 'pompous poppy fascist' FFS. I choose to do both and respect the right of other people not to. That's respect doesn't seem to work both ways unfortunately.

If you wear a poppy, you are a poppy wearer. If you insist someoneelse wrars on, you're a poppy fascist.

I' am my ilk been called knobs and twats more than once on this thread. The disrespect is certainly flowing from the other direction.

StandingSideBySide · 12/11/2024 17:25

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 12/11/2024 17:18

Why would anybody for whom this was actually important though, actively choose to be around people? I mean, it's for two minutes. You want deadly silence for two minutes. If it mattered to me I would be anywhere where other people were not. It makes me think that it's about needing to be around others and controlling what they do, making sure that they perform in the same way as you do. You'll never get people at large to do what you say you want so why not remove yourself?

I'm not including shop assistants in that as it seems that if you're not in a major supermarket you can't just move away from your till for two minutes. I would ask for my break at 1055 and return anytime after 1102. I can't think of any other solution if you absolutely must be there and your shop carries on throughout.

Most churches have services around that time and stop for the silence. ( mine doesn’t but there’s a reason there )
Most places have war memorials. People could stand there. People could ask the LA to put up a barrier if there’s a local problem with the location of the memorial.

If people have to need to stand outside their property to show their moment of reflection there’s no reason to not talk to the local councillors / MP if there’s no memorial available.

people are clearly passionate about this and I’m surprised something more workable hasn’t been set up by them or their local areas

Snoopyandlucy · 12/11/2024 17:23

Boomer55 · 12/11/2024 16:52

I don’t think it hurts anyone to give a couple of minutes thought to those that sacrificed so much. 🙂

Again, if this were just for those who fought in the WWs I don’t think anyone in the UK would object.

But there are UK citizens whose innocent family members were murdered by the British Army. So I think having to show respect to the British Army as a whole might hurt them, yes.

(Though it’s best to allow others show their respect as they wish imho.)

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 12/11/2024 17:18

Why would anybody for whom this was actually important though, actively choose to be around people? I mean, it's for two minutes. You want deadly silence for two minutes. If it mattered to me I would be anywhere where other people were not. It makes me think that it's about needing to be around others and controlling what they do, making sure that they perform in the same way as you do. You'll never get people at large to do what you say you want so why not remove yourself?

I'm not including shop assistants in that as it seems that if you're not in a major supermarket you can't just move away from your till for two minutes. I would ask for my break at 1055 and return anytime after 1102. I can't think of any other solution if you absolutely must be there and your shop carries on throughout.

CG90 · 12/11/2024 17:16

ObieJoyful · 12/11/2024 17:15

I don’t observe the silence, but I respect the fact that other people do. For instance, I wouldn’t demand to be served if the person serving was observing the silence. I’d just wait quietly with my own thoughts.

In my defence I’ve never suggested I would demand to be served etc, I wouldn’t do that during a silence or not. If I was having a conversation, I would continue.

Peregrina · 12/11/2024 17:15

People are talking about it being performative,^

But for me being performative was the BBC dishing out poppies to an audience. If every single one of them had put their £ in a British Legion tin and bought one, and thought about what they were doing, I would have had no problem. It was just turning it into a costume prop which annoyed me and to me showed a lack of respect.

But I do now think we have almost forgotten what people went through in WW1 and 2 and in politician's minds it's become a bit of a glorification of war.

CG90 · 12/11/2024 17:15

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I’m really not that bothered about some random persons opinion of me, especially if they use terms like “epic twat” as insults 😂

ObieJoyful · 12/11/2024 17:15

CG90 · 12/11/2024 17:01

It wouldn’t kill people, no. However British armed forces have killed innocent civilians, hence why a few people on this thread are relentlessly trying to get their point across.

If it’s not something your family has experienced, or something you don’t know much about, that’s fine. However don’t expect other people, whose lives have been impacted in one way or another, to make sure they don’t interrupt your silence in a public setting.

I don’t observe the silence, but I respect the fact that other people do. For instance, I wouldn’t demand to be served if the person serving was observing the silence. I’d just wait quietly with my own thoughts.

StandingSideBySide · 12/11/2024 17:14

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/11/2024 17:05

My grandfather parachuted out of a burning plane and spent the rest of the war in a Nazi prison camp because he thought it was important to defeat Hitler.

If I want to observe the two minutes' silence to remember him then I will, and anyone disturbing me during that time will get very short and very public shrift from me at 11:02.

Get your point across some other time.

Will you give short shift to family members of those executed by the British Armed Forces on Bloody Sunday!

They could be right next to you!
Take a thought before you assume we all love the British Forces.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/11/2024 17:12

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CG90 · 12/11/2024 17:10

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/11/2024 17:05

My grandfather parachuted out of a burning plane and spent the rest of the war in a Nazi prison camp because he thought it was important to defeat Hitler.

If I want to observe the two minutes' silence to remember him then I will, and anyone disturbing me during that time will get very short and very public shrift from me at 11:02.

Get your point across some other time.

Ok and as I’ve said on this very thread I don’t think anyone would have an issue with the silence if it was for WW1 and 2 veterans.

It’s not up to you, or anyone else, when I get my point across.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 12/11/2024 17:10

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 12/11/2024 17:03

It is the people wanting to stand stock still to 'observe' who are imposing on others. Be careful with your use of 'entitled twats' because again, that door swings both ways.

You may not agree with those who won't conform but unless we're preventing you from doing what you want, kindly extend the courtesy. We don't want or need your eye-rolling, or 'blocking' us from getting to shelves or any number of the disrespectful things that you (general, not aimed at you) do to express your displeasure. Get on with your two minute devotion and leave everybody else alone.

But it can't work both ways. If I'm working in a shop and observe the 2 minutes silence I'm not going to serve anyone for those 2 minutes. Many people seem to think that it's not acceptable to have to wait (which is why I referred to them as 'entitled twats' as waiting appears to be beneath them).

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/11/2024 17:06

Rhaidimiddim · 12/11/2024 17:03

Well, the OP is entitled enough to suggest everyone who doesn't observe ahould stay home. If itvreally means so much to her to have her two minutes at 11/11/11, all she gas to do is sray home. But no, let the world bend around her.

Her suggestion is directed at people who are incapable of shutting the fuck up for two minutes.

Unfortunately they won't stay home for the same reason they won't STFU for two minutes.