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If you don’t want to observe two minute silence- don’t be out

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Mokel · 10/11/2024 08:46

Every Remembrance Sunday and Nov 11th, when I worked at retail, we did a tannoy announcement with 5 min, 2 min before to inform customers that the store will be observing the 2 min silence. Then another to start it.

Every time there were customers who kept talking. Plus one time a woman in her 50s shouted “why can’t anyone serve me some fucking fags?” Everyone just looked at her. Some had the courage to say how disrespectful she was once the silence ended.

If you are unable or refuse to observe the silence at 11am today or tomorrow, please don’t be in a public place.

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jannier · 10/11/2024 12:32

housethatbuiltme · 10/11/2024 09:25

But people do allow others they just don't partake... if you are being silent you are obviously being allowed to do that in fact the shop went out of its way to do an announcement.

What people are talking about is taking away other peoples right to NOT be silent.

Only one side is attempting to 'stop' the others action... this thread isn't saying 'if you want silence stay home' its saying 'if you don't you shouldn't be allowed out' thus saying they should have their right to continue as normal removed. Which is frankly ridiculous.

Shouting and demanding service is not allowing others time for reflection and contemplation even if your not the one being shouted at. On the radio today they played bird song even that is not silence

Littlemissgobby · 10/11/2024 12:28

BlueSilverCats · 10/11/2024 12:27

Is the benchmark for decency what YOU want to do and what is important to YOU?

It's about a community and as a community in the uk and else where they have 2 min of silence so by being an outlier it's disrespectful

Gwenhwyfar · 10/11/2024 12:28

Grammarnut · 10/11/2024 12:24

It's not fine for a car to drive through a religious ceremony on any day of the year. It would have been quite clear what was going on. Stop and go another way. Very disrespectful.

Oh, I didn't realise the car drove through a ceremony. I thought the poster was complaining that the car was driving during the two minute silence.

Littlemissgobby · 10/11/2024 12:27

BarbaraHoward · 10/11/2024 12:26

To be very clear - if you're suggesting that Irish people from NI (and that's not me) should be stopping and showing respect to the British army, then it's you who is without a shred of decency (and without a shred of knowledge of your own country's history).

Irish people died in the second world war abd the first world war that is a fact this isn't about the British army. We celebrate Australians for example that have died to anyone that have died in war

BlueSilverCats · 10/11/2024 12:27

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 10/11/2024 12:13

@Mokel , I entirely agree with you. Sadly so many people are utterly selfish these days and can’t understand and don’t care that their disrespect adversely impacts what is an important act for those of us who have a shred of decency.

Is the benchmark for decency what YOU want to do and what is important to YOU?

Littlemissgobby · 10/11/2024 12:26

I to used to work in a supermarket about the same time op and we had 2 min silence i think majority did do it. I am disgusted by some comments on here she is not saying you have to stop going outside but simply suggesting if there is a bloody 2 min silence that people are doing talking loudly etc is disrespectful so why not wait after the two mins has passed to ho out or show some bloody respect. Some people are selfish

BarbaraHoward · 10/11/2024 12:26

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 10/11/2024 12:13

@Mokel , I entirely agree with you. Sadly so many people are utterly selfish these days and can’t understand and don’t care that their disrespect adversely impacts what is an important act for those of us who have a shred of decency.

To be very clear - if you're suggesting that Irish people from NI (and that's not me) should be stopping and showing respect to the British army, then it's you who is without a shred of decency (and without a shred of knowledge of your own country's history).

Grammarnut · 10/11/2024 12:26

Gwenhwyfar · 10/11/2024 11:37

You make a choice to go to a funeral though don't you. You wouldn't be expecting it in a shop and I've never experienced a two minute silence in the middle of shopping to be honest.

This has been the case for many years in UK supermarkets. You don't have to stop shopping but you should not disturb someone who is observing the silence.

Autumn38 · 10/11/2024 12:24

Lifeglowup · 10/11/2024 08:51

There is a difference between not wanting to do something yourself and not allowing others to do something.

If you make noise it means others can’t have a silent reflection.

Grammarnut · 10/11/2024 12:24

Gwenhwyfar · 10/11/2024 11:38

Never heard of a driving ban at 11!

It's not fine for a car to drive through a religious ceremony on any day of the year. It would have been quite clear what was going on. Stop and go another way. Very disrespectful.

catlovingdoctor · 10/11/2024 12:23

SometimesCalmPerson · 10/11/2024 08:49

Unable? So you think anyone who makes involuntary noise or who cannot understand the concept of staying silent for remembrance should be forced to stay at home?

I’m sure that’s not the sort of freedom soldiers were supposed to be fighting for.

Stop being so disingenuous and provocative.

listsandbudgets · 10/11/2024 12:22

SweetSakura · 10/11/2024 12:09

Agreed

As long as they don't impinge on those whonchoose to observe it.. like demanding service in a shop or speaking loudly on their phone. 2 minutes is not a big ask

Mokel · 10/11/2024 12:22

I had relatives in all wars up/to including the Bosnia war. My late GM's cousins was killed in action over Malta in WW2 and seen his shared gravestone which has other nationalities on his grave.

Our late relative that fought in Bosnia (died of cancer last year) took part in various parades including the Cenotaph

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godmum56 · 10/11/2024 12:21

DieStrassensindimmernass · 10/11/2024 12:03

Maybe we're more respectful where I live? 😆 It's definitely been happening for a while.

Do people realise that its actually a revival? My mother remembered everything stopping for two minutes but I think it only came back to public spaces perhaps around 20 years ago? https://www.batterseabus.co.uk/two-minutes-silence/
oh...I googled, it was revived 25 years ago

Two Minutes Silence – Man on the Battersea Bus

https://www.batterseabus.co.uk/two-minutes-silence

SweetSakura · 10/11/2024 12:20

But if people really felt respectful they wouldn't be out buying their carrots or whatever anyway because they would be at a service, so it's really not much of a muchness between being quiet but in Tesco and not being quiet and in Tesco

(Staff excepted)

Gwenhwyfar · 10/11/2024 12:19

"If you don't want to show respect to the men and women who died or were injured during the many wars that the UK (and its predecessors the kingdoms of England, Scotland and Ireland and the principality of Wales) "

This is news to me. I thought Remembrance Sunday was about the First and Second World Wars and particularly the First with being close to 11 November.

Grammarnut · 10/11/2024 12:17

SometimesCalmPerson · 10/11/2024 08:49

Unable? So you think anyone who makes involuntary noise or who cannot understand the concept of staying silent for remembrance should be forced to stay at home?

I’m sure that’s not the sort of freedom soldiers were supposed to be fighting for.

That's not what OP meant and you know it. She meant that if you either desire to show disrespect or do not wish to show respect don't be in a public place. I don't agree with her, but then I have just observed the 2 minutes silence. I shall likely be at home at 11 a.m. tomorrow, so will observe it by default (alone) unless I talk to the dog.
If you don't want to show respect to the men and women who died or were injured during the many wars that the UK (and its predecessors the kingdoms of England, Scotland and Ireland and the principality of Wales) has fought then that is your right. Personally, I shall think of the dead of Towton (1461 - 10k dead) as well as the 500 who died in the mess of the latest Afghan war. I will also think of those who had no choice but to be there.
It doesn't matter if the person next to me chats all through it - though they will get some unpleasant looks.

Mokel · 10/11/2024 12:17

DieStrassensindimmernass · 10/11/2024 12:03

Maybe we're more respectful where I live? 😆 It's definitely been happening for a while.

I was working at a supermarket when I was at uni. Worked 16 hours a week this included 3 out 4 Sundays, Did 2x5 hours and 1 6 hour. We observed the 2 min silence in 2001.

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SoupDragon · 10/11/2024 12:16

MiddleParking · 10/11/2024 11:21

Posted at 11.02. Amazing 😂

So, after the 2 minutes silence...

Gwenhwyfar · 10/11/2024 12:16

DieStrassensindimmernass · 10/11/2024 11:40

Two minute silences have existed in most UK supermarkets for decades.

OK, I was just saying I've never come across it.

SoupDragon · 10/11/2024 12:15

BarbaraHoward · 10/11/2024 11:37

That's unwilling, not unable.

As I said, it is quite clear what she meant regardless of the words used.

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 10/11/2024 12:13

@Mokel , I entirely agree with you. Sadly so many people are utterly selfish these days and can’t understand and don’t care that their disrespect adversely impacts what is an important act for those of us who have a shred of decency.

DBSFstupid · 10/11/2024 12:10

HousefulofIkea · 10/11/2024 10:53

I think if people want to formerly observe the 2 mins remembrance in complete silence, they need to attend one of the thousands of church services up and down the country specifically for this purpose, or stay at home if they want guaranteed silence. If its so so so important to you why are you in the middle of your supermarket shop.

I don't think its reasonable to impose a 2 minute silence on supermarket shoppers who cannot be obligated to participate - not everyone agrees that its the right way to commemorate the sacrifices made.

Jesus Christ. It's 2 MINUTES.

SweetSakura · 10/11/2024 12:09

cansu · 10/11/2024 09:03

I think that everyone has the right to observe or not observe it.

Agreed