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If you don’t want to observe two minute silence- don’t be out

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Mokel · 10/11/2024 08:46

Every Remembrance Sunday and Nov 11th, when I worked at retail, we did a tannoy announcement with 5 min, 2 min before to inform customers that the store will be observing the 2 min silence. Then another to start it.

Every time there were customers who kept talking. Plus one time a woman in her 50s shouted “why can’t anyone serve me some fucking fags?” Everyone just looked at her. Some had the courage to say how disrespectful she was once the silence ended.

If you are unable or refuse to observe the silence at 11am today or tomorrow, please don’t be in a public place.

OP posts:
GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 10/11/2024 13:42

This woman and those who choose to ignore the silence should definitely not be out, I agree.

But disabled people shouldn’t be frowned upon for making a noise.

Waffle78 · 10/11/2024 13:42

I have a severely disabled DD I avoid going out until 11 on remembrance Sunday knowing she won't be able to be quiet for 2 minutes. She can't help it and doesn't understand what it's for. Those that do and can't be quiet for two minutes are disrespectful.

Verbena17 · 10/11/2024 13:42

If your store is open, then people have the right to observe the 2mins silence or not. Whilst the lady was rude, perhaps she simply didn't care.

As the wife of a veteran, we are kind of feeling the same way as @ReignOfError . Remembrance Day has become performative.

If the government and Royals really cared all year round and not only on 11th November, they would be giving £millions to house the estimated
300-400 Veterans to give them homes that aren’t shop doorways.
The RBL wouldn’t be mismanaging poppy funds given to them by the public instead of helping Veterans…including paying very high salaries to a high number of employees.

BlueSilverCats · 10/11/2024 13:42

MrTiddlesTheCat · 10/11/2024 13:39

Imagine honouring people who died fighting for our right to be free from dictatorship by dictating to others what they should or shouldn't be doing.

The irony is mind boggling with this one!

People died for your freedom!! You must do x,y,z !

category12 · 10/11/2024 13:41

ByMerryKoala · 10/11/2024 13:29

The hyperbole is off the charts today.

'Hey, pipe down for two minutes so you don't disturb people observing a shared remembrance'.

Cue: Where's my freedom of movement? Why do people want to live in a police state?

In response to someone who was hopeful that a chap with the nerve to rev his engine would be "getting a visit" from a copper it seems pretty accurate. 😂

Itsallfunngamesuntil · 10/11/2024 13:41

Ratfinkstinkypink · 10/11/2024 09:26

I observe it but it I find it impossible to make sure my 4 year old with epilepsy and dystonia does too. I mean, if I had a magic switch which would turn off his pain when his seizures or pain, both of which can make him scream, come then I would use it. Permanently. But he doesn't, so I can't. Doesn't mean I feel like I need to hide him away though. Not today nor any other day.

Pretty sure that is not at all what OP was trying to convey

Sorry to hear about your son's epilepsy

MrTiddlesTheCat · 10/11/2024 13:39

Imagine honouring people who died fighting for our right to be free from dictatorship by dictating to others what they should or shouldn't be doing.

WiddlinDiddlin · 10/11/2024 13:38

In my experience, most of the people talking during the 2 minute silences held in shops/businesses etc... are doing so because for whatever reason they're completely unaware as to whats going on.

I forgot that its today, because I have AuDHD, I've been busy, my sleep pattern is fucked and my regular work shifts have altered, totally throwing me off as to what day it actually is (I genuinely feel like its Friday!)... so IF I were out and about, I might well be thoroughly fucking confused as to why everyones just stopped and gone quiet and if I am a bit spaced out and overwhelmed at being out, I might well not even notice until I need to speak, THEN i realise everyone else is totally silent.

I don't think theres many out there who would wilfully try to wreck it (excusing the under 5s..) but plenty who would, for various perfectly fair reasons, be oblivious.

And no it isn't possible to determine if someone is wilfully being disrespectful, by simply looking at them.

It is also possible for someone to be oblivious AND also be a generally rude person, so that when they open their mouth, they're rude.. because they're always rude, not because they're trying to be specifically disrespectful in this particular moment.

2Sensitive · 10/11/2024 13:38

"Public place"
You can do as you please!!
Respect the people to find take part if you expect them to respect the ones that do.
Obviously shouting is a bit OTT but whispering it talking low is fine!

Mokel · 10/11/2024 13:37

Littlemissgobby · 10/11/2024 13:20

We're supermarkets open on a Sunday then as I think that's part of it

Sunday trading laws started in England/Wales in 1992. Unsure about Scotland and NI. Scotland's shops there are no limits on opening hours though.

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HauntedBungalow · 10/11/2024 13:37

LOL 😂 "slightly accusatory memes", that's exactly what they are.

"I didn't die fighting the Nazis so you could chat in Tesco " .

BlueSilverCats · 10/11/2024 13:35

@Coconutter24 actually she said if you are unable or refuse to observe the silence then stay home.The second implies a choice which is what you're on about. The first, literally doesn't.

PuppyMonkey · 10/11/2024 13:33

I’ve just come on here after being on Facebook where lots of people are changing their profile pictures to fields of poppies and sharing slightly accusatory memes along the lines of “remember they died for you, you ungrateful bastard.” Well, I know they don’t literally say that, but it’s kind of implied.Confused

MrsSkylerWhite · 10/11/2024 13:31

Don’t be silly. I have personal reasons for observing it. Many don’t. Why should that bother me?

MrTiddlesTheCat · 10/11/2024 13:31

DieStrassensindimmernass · 10/11/2024 10:17

Everyone should be still and quiet if the shop was observing it.

The shop wasn't observing it. Nobody was back in the early 90s. That's why everyone else was confused. It wasn't the done thing back then.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 10/11/2024 13:30

Threelittleduck · 10/11/2024 13:27

When I worked in retail customers would stop you observing the two minutes silence by asking me questions and expecting an answer right away. So yes they were stopping me.
It's sad people don't show respect for the soldiers who died for them.

Why did your employer not prevent customers from doing this? There are so many ways that this could have been achieved.

Answer: Not that important to commerce.

Coconutter24 · 10/11/2024 13:30

SometimesCalmPerson · 10/11/2024 08:49

Unable? So you think anyone who makes involuntary noise or who cannot understand the concept of staying silent for remembrance should be forced to stay at home?

I’m sure that’s not the sort of freedom soldiers were supposed to be fighting for.

That’s no what OP has said and it’s very clear they mean people who are unable to keep their mouth shut not someone who is physically unable

ByMerryKoala · 10/11/2024 13:29

The hyperbole is off the charts today.

'Hey, pipe down for two minutes so you don't disturb people observing a shared remembrance'.

Cue: Where's my freedom of movement? Why do people want to live in a police state?

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 10/11/2024 13:29

BlueSilverCats · 10/11/2024 13:17

Tbf that was a rude and unacceptable interaction, regardless of time,place or items bought.

If it ever really happened...

These threads are always the same, full of righteousness and pompousness. Apologies to the poster concerned as I'm not referencing them other than generally but, as if drinking a tot at 11am means anything other than wanting a drink at 11am. It's no more respectful than not doing that.

Many people (myself included) think of lost lives at various points of our normal lives. I don't need an arbitrary remembrance for that, it's always there. If anybody needs to remember, it's our blasted government and world leaders who force wars, the financing of them, loss of lives and blank futures.

I have no issue with people wanting to participate in remembrance, that's their freedom right there. The performance leaves me cold and, as other posters have said, why are those people away from their homes at said time if it's so vitally important to them?

Times move on but what doesn't is the consistent war-mongering and pointless loss of lives. The people we elect/pay through the nose for have learned absolutely nothing. I deplore their posturing at 'Remembrance'.

Live and let live. We have been given the freedom to do that.

Markedlymiffed45 · 10/11/2024 13:27

TinyTeachr · 10/11/2024 13:17

Perhaps poorly worded, but I do object to your comment including those who are "not able" to remain silent.

We are regular church attendees. This morning was obviously the rememberabce service. My husband took out eldest to the monunent with the majority of th congregation for the two minutes silence. Those who are unable to walk can stay in church and do their two minute's silence there. I stayed with our 3 younger children. The priest leading the silence had already said to me not to worry if one of the children made noise. One did start to say something before I show her him and I did get a glare from someone (not someone who goes regularly I didn't know them).

It's not reasonable to expect small children or those with disabilities to be hidden away. That's very different from adults choosing to be disrespectful.

Well said. And I reckon every serving soldier would agree with you.

Yes we should all do our best to be respectful and grateful for those who fought on our behalf, and are prepared to do so again if necessary, but not at the expense of taking away the very liberties they fought for in the first place!

Threelittleduck · 10/11/2024 13:27

When I worked in retail customers would stop you observing the two minutes silence by asking me questions and expecting an answer right away. So yes they were stopping me.
It's sad people don't show respect for the soldiers who died for them.

BlueSilverCats · 10/11/2024 13:25

People really do want to live in a police state, don't they?

I thought that was made pretty obvious during Covid. There were dozens of threads demanding the Army to be on the streets and reinforce the rules.

StandingSideBySide · 10/11/2024 13:23

BlueSilverCats · 10/11/2024 13:21

@StandingSideBySide or some might be from one of those small countries freely given away like toys , the winner picks the spoils , and had decades of tyranny, dictatorship and destruction to follow.

Exactly!!!

Ladyj84 · 10/11/2024 13:23

A persons opinions about a minutes silence should not be inflicted onto others who it means nothing

Floofypuppy · 10/11/2024 13:23

We had a knobhead on a motorbike revving at the front of the queue of traffic as we were observing the 2 min silence at a cenotaph service. Unfortunately for him, the silence didn’t stop the police office next to me from noting down his reg. I suspect he’ll be getting a visit later.

eh? For what reason? This isn’t a bloody police state