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If you don’t want to observe two minute silence- don’t be out

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Mokel · 10/11/2024 08:46

Every Remembrance Sunday and Nov 11th, when I worked at retail, we did a tannoy announcement with 5 min, 2 min before to inform customers that the store will be observing the 2 min silence. Then another to start it.

Every time there were customers who kept talking. Plus one time a woman in her 50s shouted “why can’t anyone serve me some fucking fags?” Everyone just looked at her. Some had the courage to say how disrespectful she was once the silence ended.

If you are unable or refuse to observe the silence at 11am today or tomorrow, please don’t be in a public place.

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Jessie1259 · 10/11/2024 15:21

Littlemissgobby · 10/11/2024 15:19

I think uou r right and nor is the op suggesting the latter we all know what she meant so not sure why folks can't see she meant those that are actively disrupting silence

No she said 'Every time there were customers who kept talking'. She didn't say they were all disrupting others.

Wolfpa · 10/11/2024 15:20

Many cultures don’t observe Remembrance Day, it is possible that they don’t know what is going on.

Jessie1259 · 10/11/2024 15:19

People should be free to observe or not observe.

Littlemissgobby · 10/11/2024 15:19

Flatulence · 10/11/2024 15:10

There's a world of difference between being rude and disrespectful during two-minute silence and simply just wanting to go about your day.

The former is never acceptable, and that includes the woman shouting for fags in your example.

The latter - for example, continuing a quiet conversation - might not be what most people would do but no one should be forced to be silent. Give people the information about why it's important but if they don't want to partake then 🤷🏽‍♀️. I'd hate to see people banned from being out in public simply because they're not mithered about remembrance.

As for those unable to remain silent - I really hope you're not advocating for people with certain medical condition or disabilities - or indeed infants - to be banned from being out incase they make a noise.

Forcing people to do performative acts of remembrance or be banned from being out and about is gross and not really what servicemen and women served and died for.

I think uou r right and nor is the op suggesting the latter we all know what she meant so not sure why folks can't see she meant those that are actively disrupting silence

Frith2013 · 10/11/2024 15:18

Don't be ridiculous.

I was at work this morning. Impossible for me to be silent.

Flatulence · 10/11/2024 15:10

There's a world of difference between being rude and disrespectful during two-minute silence and simply just wanting to go about your day.

The former is never acceptable, and that includes the woman shouting for fags in your example.

The latter - for example, continuing a quiet conversation - might not be what most people would do but no one should be forced to be silent. Give people the information about why it's important but if they don't want to partake then 🤷🏽‍♀️. I'd hate to see people banned from being out in public simply because they're not mithered about remembrance.

As for those unable to remain silent - I really hope you're not advocating for people with certain medical condition or disabilities - or indeed infants - to be banned from being out incase they make a noise.

Forcing people to do performative acts of remembrance or be banned from being out and about is gross and not really what servicemen and women served and died for.

Coconutter24 · 10/11/2024 15:10

BlueSilverCats · 10/11/2024 13:35

@Coconutter24 actually she said if you are unable or refuse to observe the silence then stay home.The second implies a choice which is what you're on about. The first, literally doesn't.

I know what OP said and it’s clear what OP meant

JaninaDuszejko · 10/11/2024 15:09

I was in town a few years ago and was told to leave the Waterstones I was in so they could observe a silence. I thought that was inappropriate, I wouldn't have minded not being served but throwing everyone out of the shop seemed excessive.

What is particularly strange is that this is such a new thing. I'm in my 50s, when I was a child in the 70s then this didn't happen even though many people still remembered the war. It's really only in the last 10-20 years or so that it is marked on such a large scale, it started around the time the last veterans from WW1 died.

Ttcagainnow · 10/11/2024 14:57

BlueSilverCats · 10/11/2024 14:53

@Ttcagainnow any source for that statement?

I think it's just the nice thing to do ti be respectful, it's nothing about being performative at all. It obviously started somewhere? I don't have a source because I'm simply sharing my opinion on an online forum and not writing a uni assignment!

oakleaffy · 10/11/2024 14:55

DieStrassensindimmernass · 10/11/2024 08:53

I think some folk are just disrespectful and/or aren't really aware just why we're taking the time to remember, reflect and be thankful.

This.
People are so utterly self absorbed these days.
@Mokel Quite agree with you.

BlueSilverCats · 10/11/2024 14:53

@Ttcagainnow any source for that statement?

BlueSilverCats · 10/11/2024 14:51

Livelovebehappy · 10/11/2024 14:42

You find that those who feel strongly against acknowledging the silences, quite often do their best to disrupt it. I’ve seen it happen in public places. Is sowrong on many levels. People aren’t saying you can’t go about your normal business, but to deliberately be noisy is disgusting.

A lot of posters on this thread are saying exactly that. Starting with OP who wants everyone that won't observe the silence to stay at home.

Ttcagainnow · 10/11/2024 14:51

betterangels · 10/11/2024 14:36

I mean, maybe read the comment and respect the price her husband has paid. You're completely proving her point about performativity.

I did read it, but thank you! I understand and am thankful for what her husband has done for us as a country and respect they don't like the 2 minutes silence but they are in the minority and I think it's disrespectful to purposely make noise when other people are doing the silence.

Livelovebehappy · 10/11/2024 14:42

You find that those who feel strongly against acknowledging the silences, quite often do their best to disrupt it. I’ve seen it happen in public places. Is sowrong on many levels. People aren’t saying you can’t go about your normal business, but to deliberately be noisy is disgusting.

Bubblesgun · 10/11/2024 14:41

jannier · 10/11/2024 12:35

526,000 or so minutes a year and asking for you to not demand to shop for 2 is unreasonable.

You dont know how many hours in my life I have spent and I spend thinking about my ancestors, their comrades, and all the sacrifices they have made and for some yhat are making for our freedom.

so again i dont need your holier than thou patronising. If you need 2 mins once a year, I am sad for you.

betterangels · 10/11/2024 14:36

Ttcagainnow · 10/11/2024 14:29

I think you're in the minority. It's 2 minutes for goodness sake. Just respect it.

I mean, maybe read the comment and respect the price her husband has paid. You're completely proving her point about performativity.

HauntedBungalow · 10/11/2024 14:34

Incidentally Blair's administration also saw the first non-armistice silence - just a few months into it, for the death of the Princess of Wales.

Peregrina · 10/11/2024 14:34

Only read the first page and so sad at the responses. It’s 2 minutes to remember the fallen fgs. Yet another reason this world is fkd.

I think when they made it Remembrance Sunday, back in the 1920s I think, there was time for a proper Remembrance - not a stupid 2 minutes in a busy working day in addition. I do recall that a lot of towns would make some sort of signal - at 11 am on the Sunday and people would stop then if they wished.

StandingSideBySide · 10/11/2024 14:30

butterpuffed · 10/11/2024 14:24

The shop wasn't observing it. Nobody was back in the early 90s. That's why everyone else was confused. It wasn't the done thing back then.

Everybody was observing it . . I was doing office work in the 90s and it was definitely the 'done thing' , also in the shops .

It wasn’t a thing back then near me
Definately since 2000

Ttcagainnow · 10/11/2024 14:29

ReignOfError · 10/11/2024 09:13

i hate the way Remembrance Day had become so bloody performative.

My veteran husband, who has a life limiting illness as a result of his service, who was in the forces during an actual war, and who has mourned more friends than I’ve ever had, will talk if he wants to, will support anyone else who wants to, and couldn’t give a flying fuck whether football teams, TV presenters or anyone wears a poppy. If we wanted to be part of a commemoration, we’d be (and will be this year) at an official Remembrance ceremony.

The fag woman was rude, which is not acceptable ever.

I think you're in the minority. It's 2 minutes for goodness sake. Just respect it.

Peregrina · 10/11/2024 14:29

Everybody was observing it . . I was doing office work in the 90s and it was definitely the 'done thing' , also in the shops .

I don't think it was. I was working in offices from the mid 1970s onwards and we never stopped on 11th November. I only remember it starting in about 2000. Remembrance Sunday was the day and I think there was more genuine remembrance.

Mokel · 10/11/2024 14:29

butterpuffed · 10/11/2024 14:24

The shop wasn't observing it. Nobody was back in the early 90s. That's why everyone else was confused. It wasn't the done thing back then.

Everybody was observing it . . I was doing office work in the 90s and it was definitely the 'done thing' , also in the shops .

Meetings if any on 11th Nov didn't start til 11:15am to allow staff to do the silence, go to the loo, grab a coffee etc.

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HauntedBungalow · 10/11/2024 14:27

butterpuffed · 10/11/2024 14:24

The shop wasn't observing it. Nobody was back in the early 90s. That's why everyone else was confused. It wasn't the done thing back then.

Everybody was observing it . . I was doing office work in the 90s and it was definitely the 'done thing' , also in the shops .

It was introduced in the late 90s. Blair went all out to get sun readers who at the time were campaigning to bring in a silence. When he said he'd do it he started getting positive headlines from them.

Mokel · 10/11/2024 14:27

My childhood village has been doing church congregations for RS since the 50s as many died in the wars.

The parades I did were 1988-93

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Whatevershallidowithmylife · 10/11/2024 14:25

Only read the first page and so sad at the responses. It’s 2 minutes to remember the fallen fgs. Yet another reason this world is fkd.