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If you don’t want to observe two minute silence- don’t be out

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Mokel · 10/11/2024 08:46

Every Remembrance Sunday and Nov 11th, when I worked at retail, we did a tannoy announcement with 5 min, 2 min before to inform customers that the store will be observing the 2 min silence. Then another to start it.

Every time there were customers who kept talking. Plus one time a woman in her 50s shouted “why can’t anyone serve me some fucking fags?” Everyone just looked at her. Some had the courage to say how disrespectful she was once the silence ended.

If you are unable or refuse to observe the silence at 11am today or tomorrow, please don’t be in a public place.

OP posts:
PaminaMozart · 10/11/2024 18:49

DieStrassensindimmernass · 10/11/2024 17:57

I know what it was officially started for, but it's definitely bigger than that for many of us now.

This.

As for "I would quietly carry on with my business"........ please don't. Just stop whatever you're doing.

For 2 minutes !

lasagnelle · 10/11/2024 18:32

I think it's sad that on remembrance day every year there is bickering about remembrance day.

AuntieKraker · 10/11/2024 18:30

DieStrassensindimmernass · 10/11/2024 18:14

And as I said, for many of us it's bigger than that.

So seeing that’s what the two minute silence is for, and that’s what this thread is about, you have spent the entire thread essentially claiming those that don’t observe it are disrespectful but to you, the two minute silence isn’t for remembering losses in the British Army?

I’m confused, what is the two minute silence and Remembrance Sunday about then? It certainly isn’t about civilian deaths seeing as there is no representative for them during the service today. Foreign military then? I don’t get it.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 10/11/2024 18:24

BarbaraHoward · 10/11/2024 17:56

No one has said that retail workers shouldn't be able to observe the silence if they want.

I admit to being among those who question the sincerity of the observance of the customers in a supermarket though. They're there by choice, surely being in an Asda at that particular time is a statement all it's own.

But how can they when people who don't observe the silence, i.e. those in Asda at 11am, think they have to be served there and then? By all means don't observe the silence, they need to respect those who do.

I'm not working at the moment but the company I worked for encouraged us to observe the 2 minutes silence if we wanted to. We could arrange meetings so it didn't clash and I was in one meeting that overran so my boss paused it so anyone could join in. No one was forced to do it but it was nice to be given the choice.

StandingSideBySide · 10/11/2024 18:20

BarbaraHoward · 10/11/2024 18:19

And for many of us it isn't. Confused

And round and round and round we go eh Barbara.
Oh well

StandingSideBySide · 10/11/2024 18:19

DieStrassensindimmernass · 10/11/2024 18:14

And as I said, for many of us it's bigger than that.

OK
I’ll be the first to respectfully stand down and stop repeating myself.

BarbaraHoward · 10/11/2024 18:19

DieStrassensindimmernass · 10/11/2024 18:14

And as I said, for many of us it's bigger than that.

And for many of us it isn't. Confused

DieStrassensindimmernass · 10/11/2024 18:14

StandingSideBySide · 10/11/2024 18:08

I respect that it’s a different matter for some. I was simply explaining why pp mentioned the British Armed forces …..as they are officially who is being honoured.

And as I said, for many of us it's bigger than that.

StandingSideBySide · 10/11/2024 18:08

DieStrassensindimmernass · 10/11/2024 17:57

I know what it was officially started for, but it's definitely bigger than that for many of us now.

I respect that it’s a different matter for some. I was simply explaining why pp mentioned the British Armed forces …..as they are officially who is being honoured.

DieStrassensindimmernass · 10/11/2024 17:57

StandingSideBySide · 10/11/2024 17:41

Remembrance Day silence here in the UK is officially to remember the British armed forces. Just them. Not civilians killed in war or anything else. Just the Armed forces. So by default that’s why pp referenced them.

Yes I get many people will reflect on whatever they want.

I know what it was officially started for, but it's definitely bigger than that for many of us now.

BarbaraHoward · 10/11/2024 17:56

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 10/11/2024 17:39

No, they shouldn't have to stay at home but don't you realise that some people might not be able to stay at home, e.g. retail workers? They should be able to observe the silence without some idiot who thinks they are too important to wait 2 minutes badgering them to be served.

No one has said that retail workers shouldn't be able to observe the silence if they want.

I admit to being among those who question the sincerity of the observance of the customers in a supermarket though. They're there by choice, surely being in an Asda at that particular time is a statement all it's own.

BarbaraHoward · 10/11/2024 17:54

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 10/11/2024 17:00

@BarbaraHoward , you can choose not to take part but you should not negatively impact those for whom this is deeply important.
I was quite young during the troubles but I do know many young British soldiers gave their lives to keep the peace in Ireland. 188 civilians died during that time which is regrettable but it was a war type situation. The issues around those deaths don’t impact my respect in general for our armed forces.
I remember every service person who made the ultimate sacrifice for my freedom and all those whose life has been forever changed since WW1. I am deeply affected by the wonderful WW1 poetry which depicts in such painful detail their misery.
Pin all your hate on a few individuals who are yet to be proven to have done anything wrong. I will give my gratitude and respect to those who deserve it.
Lest we forget.

I haven't said I would or have ever disrupted the silence. I would quietly carry on with my business (if I noticed) leaving those who wanted to observe it to do so.

I don't think that makes me disrespectful or lacking in decency, to use some of the terms that have been used in this thread.

I certainly don't think that means I should be compelled to stay home. I wouldn't go to a remembrance service obviously but walking around the aisles in Asda is fair game. Don't really fancy being put on house arrest for the morning because of my nationality or political views, or others because of their disability.

BreatheAndFocus · 10/11/2024 17:52

Sprogonthetyne · 10/11/2024 16:58

The op has clarified no such thing, this thread is literally about if people who are unable or choose not to observe the silence should have to stay indoors.

No, it’s not. It’s broadened into a discussion about behaviour during the 2 minutes. That’s how discussions go.

StandingSideBySide · 10/11/2024 17:41

DieStrassensindimmernass · 10/11/2024 16:30

Where did I specify that I was ever only referring to the British army?

Remembrance Day silence here in the UK is officially to remember the British armed forces. Just them. Not civilians killed in war or anything else. Just the Armed forces. So by default that’s why pp referenced them.

Yes I get many people will reflect on whatever they want.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 10/11/2024 17:39

Babysharkdododododooo · 10/11/2024 16:40

It’s an unreasonable ask. You can’t expect people who don’t follow the minutes silence or whatever it is to not leave their house because it offends other people. If they want to do their minutes silence in peace then they should have done it at home

No, they shouldn't have to stay at home but don't you realise that some people might not be able to stay at home, e.g. retail workers? They should be able to observe the silence without some idiot who thinks they are too important to wait 2 minutes badgering them to be served.

StandingSideBySide · 10/11/2024 17:36

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 10/11/2024 17:00

@BarbaraHoward , you can choose not to take part but you should not negatively impact those for whom this is deeply important.
I was quite young during the troubles but I do know many young British soldiers gave their lives to keep the peace in Ireland. 188 civilians died during that time which is regrettable but it was a war type situation. The issues around those deaths don’t impact my respect in general for our armed forces.
I remember every service person who made the ultimate sacrifice for my freedom and all those whose life has been forever changed since WW1. I am deeply affected by the wonderful WW1 poetry which depicts in such painful detail their misery.
Pin all your hate on a few individuals who are yet to be proven to have done anything wrong. I will give my gratitude and respect to those who deserve it.
Lest we forget.

Barbara didn’t say she/ he would negatively impact anyone. She’s just saying as many are on here that some, for personal reasons, don’t want to or feel a personal need to honour the British armed forces.

The Irish, were given as an example but obviously there will be others too.

Ps…My family were shot at on Bloody Sunday so I know for sure they don’t. Everyone’s life experiences matter.

StandingSideBySide · 10/11/2024 17:31

DieStrassensindimmernass · 10/11/2024 16:32

Nobody said that either.

Littlemissgobby did in the post I tagged

( ps. Is your username a reflection on UK wet weather or is that’s Germanys…Just wondering )

MissFancyDay · 10/11/2024 17:25

Usual thread full of people who refuse to see the other persons perspective, because what they think is the only way to be. It makes me want to join the "I've had enough of people" thread.

Obviously there is no obligation to observe the silence, but it's just dickish to spoil it for others who do want to. I don't go out of my way to observe but if I am caught up in it I'll just reflect for a moment on all the mothers that lost their sons.

Surely nobody would put judge a child for talking, I love to hear them, I envy their innocence and obliviousness to be honest.

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 10/11/2024 17:00

BarbaraHoward · 10/11/2024 13:17

Nor are all Northern Irish people. That's the point, you have no idea on sight why anyone is choosing not to take part.

@BarbaraHoward , you can choose not to take part but you should not negatively impact those for whom this is deeply important.
I was quite young during the troubles but I do know many young British soldiers gave their lives to keep the peace in Ireland. 188 civilians died during that time which is regrettable but it was a war type situation. The issues around those deaths don’t impact my respect in general for our armed forces.
I remember every service person who made the ultimate sacrifice for my freedom and all those whose life has been forever changed since WW1. I am deeply affected by the wonderful WW1 poetry which depicts in such painful detail their misery.
Pin all your hate on a few individuals who are yet to be proven to have done anything wrong. I will give my gratitude and respect to those who deserve it.
Lest we forget.

Sprogonthetyne · 10/11/2024 16:58

BreatheAndFocus · 10/11/2024 16:30

No, I don’t agree. Of course people shouldn’t have to stay indoors - a number of people (including the OP?) clarified that early on. The vast majority of people are discussing what’s appropriate behaviour during the 2 Minutes of Remembrance.

Indeed, that’s what the Mecca/being in a shop post I quoted was referring to.

The op has clarified no such thing, this thread is literally about if people who are unable or choose not to observe the silence should have to stay indoors.

mydogisthebest · 10/11/2024 16:56

Babysharkdododododooo · 10/11/2024 16:40

It’s an unreasonable ask. You can’t expect people who don’t follow the minutes silence or whatever it is to not leave their house because it offends other people. If they want to do their minutes silence in peace then they should have done it at home

No one said they should not leave their house but they don't need to be in a shop in those precise 2 whole minutes and make fools of themselves. Rude and ignorant

Babysharkdododododooo · 10/11/2024 16:40

Mokel · 10/11/2024 08:46

Every Remembrance Sunday and Nov 11th, when I worked at retail, we did a tannoy announcement with 5 min, 2 min before to inform customers that the store will be observing the 2 min silence. Then another to start it.

Every time there were customers who kept talking. Plus one time a woman in her 50s shouted “why can’t anyone serve me some fucking fags?” Everyone just looked at her. Some had the courage to say how disrespectful she was once the silence ended.

If you are unable or refuse to observe the silence at 11am today or tomorrow, please don’t be in a public place.

It’s an unreasonable ask. You can’t expect people who don’t follow the minutes silence or whatever it is to not leave their house because it offends other people. If they want to do their minutes silence in peace then they should have done it at home

HarrietHedgehog · 10/11/2024 16:37

We are nearer to a global war than we’ve ever been, and yet we are urged to observe not one but two “two minute silences” and challenge anyone who doesn’t wear a poppy.
Performative remembrance isn’t doing much good, us it?

DieStrassensindimmernass · 10/11/2024 16:35

MrTiddlesTheCat · 10/11/2024 13:31

The shop wasn't observing it. Nobody was back in the early 90s. That's why everyone else was confused. It wasn't the done thing back then.

Odd. It was where I come from.

category12 · 10/11/2024 16:33

BreatheAndFocus · 10/11/2024 16:30

No, I don’t agree. Of course people shouldn’t have to stay indoors - a number of people (including the OP?) clarified that early on. The vast majority of people are discussing what’s appropriate behaviour during the 2 Minutes of Remembrance.

Indeed, that’s what the Mecca/being in a shop post I quoted was referring to.

No, OP never rowed back on the "If you are unable or refuse to observe the silence at 11am today or tomorrow, please don’t be in a public place."

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