16 month old assaulted should i have expected more support from the police?

Yes exactly that! Some drunken crackhead couldn't be too difficult to hold down surely?

Really? You would escalate the violence with some unknown person who could be seriously unhinged and carrying a weapon. You would cause your children further trauma by continuing the violence rather than get them to safety?

And that's great that you feel that way.
Enjoy your evening

Maybe some people don’t want their trauma “debated” about. I’ve had my fair share of healthy debates over the years, but this ain’t the thread. I know what my limits are. I fully believe OP’s version so no I don’t feel the need to question her about it. And it seems plenty more people feel the same way.

So sorry this happened to you. You need to put in a complaint. She could kill the next baby she pushes over. I'm so shocked the police aren't taking this seriously. The response time is awful too, a lot could have happened in that time, however, if they physically weren't able to get there sooner that can't be helped by the officers but the response afterwards is something that can be controlled.

Ah, so was it you who reported them?

That was actually exactly what I said.....plus a bit about the UK allowing people to be innocent till proven guilty (imagine!) and a couple of mentions of their normally being 3 sides to every story (the horror!)...... no personal attack on anyone, no disrespect to any other posters.... I've never said I don't believe the OP or think she is lying. I've simply said 'I don't know either way'

But it's very clear it only works one way this 'respect for other posters and their points of view"?
Did you respect my point of view? Did you show respect to me as another poster? No, you did not, at all.

Maybe I should start reporting a load of posts too? Except that I wouldn't, ever, because I actually value freedom of speech, healthy discussion and have no problem with people expressing a different view to my own.

The lynch mob wanting to smash the skull of an unknown person who may or may not have done something terrible but who's already been tried and convicted by MN posters...well that's a whole other ballgame isn't it.

You absolutely haven’t had your posts deleted for simply saying there’s more than meets the eye. They’re deleted for breaking talk guidelines based on respect for other posters and their points of view.

I would post or get a friend to post on the events social media appealing for photos of the woman. I can't believe no-one standing by thought to take one.
And I would ALWAYS intervene if I saw a woman or child being attacked. And have done.

Are you new to the Internet?
Have you never entered into a healthy debate or discussion with different points of view? Have you never questioned anything you've read? Have you never come across a situation where there may be more than one side to a story? It's just so naive.

The OP has had plenty of sympathy and practical advice on here (by myself included, I actually recommended she complain about the Police response time). But I stand by my statement that I think there may be more to this story based on what I've read.... you don't agree with me and that's OK!

I read the entire thread with an open mind and saw a lot of assumptions and really quite nasty name calling aimed at some anonymous female who isn't here to give her own side of the story. That's a pack mentality right there and it doesn't sit right with me.

I also didn't say it was a witch hunt, what I said was this thread is an example of 'pack mentality' on MN which reminded me of the witch trials in the middle ages where one person could say anything they wanted to and it would automatically be believed.

What exactly do you want people to say? Would it have been better if everyone said something along the lines of “Nah, bet there’s more to this.” etc?
If so then it might as well be the case on every thread where someone posts about something horrible that has happened to them. What a nasty unsupportive place this site would be.

Actually you've just completely made up an entire series of events right there, twisting everything that has actually been said which is exactly why everyone should be very careful believing anything they read on the Internet. It's very easy to do and it's dangerous.

At no point have I said I don't believe the OP. What I actually said is there could be more to this story and, when pressed, i said i don't just blindly believe everything written by strangers on the Internet without question.

I also didn't say it was a witch hunt, what I said was this thread is an example of 'pack mentality' on MN which reminded me of the witch trials in the middle ages where one person could say anything they wanted to and it would automatically be believed.

I haven't pulled down the OP's version of events at all. I've been quite clear that I wasn't there and have no idea what did or didn't happen. I don't know if the OP is the victim or not and neither do you. You might not think that attitude is helpful (irl) but neither is yours.

I also haven't made up a new version of events. I tried to offer a different potential scenario to give some perspective to someone extremely closed minded claiming to know all the 'facts' about exactly what happened despite not actually having a clue.

What I have been is pretty respectful in my responses to you and our different way of thinking however I haven't experienced the same in return.

But in those early days way before he was convicted, what if people said they don’t believe your version of events?

And you say nobody needs to prove anything to you, but clearly they do in order for you to believe them. And instead of just leaving the thread, you’ve called this thread a witch hunt because other people believe OP and they’re upset and angry for her. You’ve pulled down her version events and then you’ve also made up a new scenario where the two women had a scrap and sent the two children flying.
As I said, I’m sure this attitude is very helpful towards OP and other victims.

@funinthesun19

Yeah, mine was DV as well, we all have our own stories to tell..... none of which you can tell behind a few words typed on a keyboard or phone.

Mine went to court and ended in conviction but not just purely on my say so, nor would I ever expect it to. No, they needed evidence: witnesses, forensics, injuries which corroborated my account, previous disclosures etc.

It's lovely that you automatically believe the best in everyone and take everything you read at face value without question. We're not all the same though, and that's OK too, we're all shaped by our own experiences. That doesn't make you a bad person and it doesn't make me a bad person, we just think differently.

And just for the record, nobody needs to prove anything to ME, I'm not the Police or the courts. I don't know these people involved or anything about what happened. I wasn't there.

Nice bit of victim blaming right there 🤬

Yes you’ve made it clear that you don’t like to believe victims until YOU have got concrete proof. I’m sure that attitude is very helpful for victims to hear.
I was a victim of domestic violence, but I guess because you wasn’t there it didn’t happen the way I say it happened. 🤦🏼‍♀️

@TreeCake

I wasn't picking holes in the story. I was expressing shock that no-one intervened.

The vast majority of people with even an ounce of sense understand all of what you have written.

Thank you for everything you and your colleagues do.

Someone on here really doesn't like the phrase

'There are normally 3 sides to every story'

Every time I type that it gets reported 🤣

I’m so sorry this happened to you OP.

Something similar but different happened to me. Fwiw my advice is

• contact your health visitor for a chat about the effect on the children, I did this and it was very helpful. My situation involved a pre schooler and they found it helped to draw pictures etc to help process their experience and fears.

• don’t expect the police to have the slightest emotional intelligence whatsoever, you are sadly just something on their to do list
• ask on Facebook etc for witnesses, I didn’t do this and I wish I had done

take it steady and be kind to yourself. You are possibly used to being invincible due to your work and it’s a horrible shock when something like this happens in your personal life and makes you realise you are a bit vulnerable after all.

This happened to my mum when she was pushing my daughter in her buggy. A strange woman pulled her down to the pavement by her hair and the buggy tipped over. Passerby called the police. The woman assaulted an officer while being arrested.

They successfully prosecuted her for assaulting the police officer and did not even take a statement from my mum.