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BelleSauvage9 · 10/11/2024 00:27

Just been at a birthday party for my nephew in laws partner. At the end of the night dp made a big point of telling nephew to get up in the morning with their kids (because he never does). Dp NEVER gets up with our kids. Not on my birthday, mother's day, just never. I feel so unbelievably hurt that he thinks nephews partner is worth that effort and I, the mother of his children, his partner, the hub of our home, is not.

I expressed this to him. His response was that he tells me to wake him up. I've told him many times there's no point in doing that because if I'm awake enough to wake him, then I'm awake and I won't be able to go back to sleep. And it just feels like a bloody cop out, and puts the responsibility onto me. How the hell does being responsible for your own lie in make you feel valued and appreciated and cared for. I just despair :(

OP posts:
Workingmum13 · 17/11/2024 19:46

BelleSauvage9 · 17/11/2024 19:43

@Workingmum13 we are engaged but getting married is obviously pretty expensive so has been on the back burner. Part of the problem is that I have tried to talk to him about these things in the past but he gets very defensive and it always just gets turned back on me and the conversation becomes about everything I do wrong (attack is the best form of defence I guess 🤷‍♀️).

I wonder if you two could get time away, even for a night. Tell him to forget the wedding, letsgo court house, tell him about tax incentives.

PaminaMozart · 17/11/2024 19:46

Getting married doesn't need to be expensive! A simple register office wedding is all you need. Right now you are very vulnerable.

Workingmum13 · 17/11/2024 19:45

Cyb3rg4l · 17/11/2024 19:33

Brain surgeons get paid, paid holidays, pensions and support from colleagues and their hours are limited to allow for adequate rest. They have received extensive training, always have backup and are not making life or death decisions about their own family. It is a difficult job with clearly defined responsibilities which is well rewarded. Then there is being a SAHM. Whose labour you are so quick to discount as easy, less valuable labour. With such young children, OP’s Partner is only able to work full time because of OP’s labour at home. Her being at home makes everything else possible.

SAHM was the DEFAULT into the 50’s and 60’s when labour laws changed and to suggest it is a modern invention is ridiculous. When women began to work outside the home they were criticised for impacting their child’s development by moving away from traditional roles. So apparently SAHM or Working Mum women cannot win. This stigma continued well up to the end of the century. And to some extent exists today, particularly for single parents, with no alternative offered.

The profound level of ingnorance in suggesting that children with SEN are as a direct result of poor parenting is frankly offensive to all parents of SEN children. Link me to your studies and I’ll link you to mine.

This is the most intelligently dishonest response. I think I've ever read, and no point in the history of our species has women. Fifty per cent of the population worked at home; this never happened. Links to lack of education in mothers and outcomes for children are easily searchable. I was very precise. Of course, it's a modern invention. Where in English history before the 60s was that term used? To that point, it is precisely that period that saw the most significant divorce surge in history; those relationships should not be idealised. Sahm is, by definition, less valuable labour. The problem is you equate parenting to work. It's not; it's parenting. As you point out, paid work is structured and competitive, and you must work hard to get there. A sahm is not facing that, but her partner does and sees both. Urm, if you make life-and-death decisions 24/7, something is wrong. That's exactly what a brain surgeon does. The thingWhaterything possible for a brain surgeon is their ability; the surgery does not support their professional achievements. They are two people in a household working together; her job is not more challenging because you say so.

BelleSauvage9 · 17/11/2024 19:43

@Workingmum13 we are engaged but getting married is obviously pretty expensive so has been on the back burner. Part of the problem is that I have tried to talk to him about these things in the past but he gets very defensive and it always just gets turned back on me and the conversation becomes about everything I do wrong (attack is the best form of defence I guess 🤷‍♀️).

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Cyb3rg4l · 17/11/2024 19:33

Workingmum13 · 17/11/2024 18:06

I don't know what to say when some equate being a brain surgeon to raising children. It's just not true. Again, her being a SAHM does not support the living, eating, and clothing aspects of parenting. Because she cannot afford to feed, clothe, or house herself or her children in even her current standard of living is shocking to me. You stayed at home because you wanted to, that's it. The only studies done on the impact of an SAHM mother on outcomes for children are shockingly bad. No one talks about it. The caveat hangs on the mother's education level; outcomes become more positive. Sahm is a recent thing and coincides with children being less happy, less independent, and more prone to SEN. I think we, as women and men, should really think about what is happening in our homes.

Brain surgeons get paid, paid holidays, pensions and support from colleagues and their hours are limited to allow for adequate rest. They have received extensive training, always have backup and are not making life or death decisions about their own family. It is a difficult job with clearly defined responsibilities which is well rewarded. Then there is being a SAHM. Whose labour you are so quick to discount as easy, less valuable labour. With such young children, OP’s Partner is only able to work full time because of OP’s labour at home. Her being at home makes everything else possible.

SAHM was the DEFAULT into the 50’s and 60’s when labour laws changed and to suggest it is a modern invention is ridiculous. When women began to work outside the home they were criticised for impacting their child’s development by moving away from traditional roles. So apparently SAHM or Working Mum women cannot win. This stigma continued well up to the end of the century. And to some extent exists today, particularly for single parents, with no alternative offered.

The profound level of ingnorance in suggesting that children with SEN are as a direct result of poor parenting is frankly offensive to all parents of SEN children. Link me to your studies and I’ll link you to mine.

holamuchgusto · 17/11/2024 19:29

It sounds like your husband has a pretty intense and physically hard job. I'm a mum too but even I can see maybe he's just tired.
You say the kids are clingy to you, but that's normal when your with them 24/7 and breastfeeding. That's not his fault. If you are in the house, he can't stop them coming to find you. They are young children, they don't understand.
Also if your co sleeping of course the baby is going to gravitate to you.
Was it planned to have 2 out of the 3 so close together? Is the second child 2 years old, as would be eligible for funded nursery hours which may take off some of the pressure.
Could you be suffering from postnatal depression and looking for someone to blame? Rather than dealing with the root cause

Workingmum13 · 17/11/2024 19:10

BelleSauvage9 · 17/11/2024 18:54

Firstly thanks for the happy birthdays 😊

I'm just going to add a little to give a clearer picture as people have said about not having certain information.

  • he leaves the house just before 7 and gets home at about 5:45
  • he does a physical job that involves a fair bit of heavy lifting
  • I have a degree
  • I do all bedtimes as both dc2 and 3 breastfeed to sleep. Dc3 co sleeps, dc2 was co sleeping until very recently but we've moved house and she is now in her own bed
  • dc2 breastfeeds before nap and bed, dc3 still breastfeeds quite a lot
  • both dc2 and 3 are quite clingy to me. They're not too bad when I'm not there but if I'm in the house they typically always want me. Dc2 is a bit less so than dc3 and more willing for dp to do things for/with her. It is obviously unpleasant for dp to have kids screaming and trying to get to me when he tries to have them while I do something, but I think that won't change unless the effort is put in to getting them more okay with him taking over and he gives up pretty quick which I think isn't helping the situation.
  • dp very rarely cooks or does housework, though he does all the diy. I do 99% of life admin (he pretty much only does the things that require him to do it - e.g stuff with his bank where they won't talk to me about his account)
  • we do not live solely on his wages, we also get some universal credit
  • dc2 is not in nursery, I have dc2 and 3 with me 24/7

I now can't remember if there was any more information I was going to add so will have a look and come back with anything else I think I've missed.

If you’re using benefits to help with your household income, you might want to think about getting married. You and your partner could qualify for tax credits, which would be pretty helpful! You seem really smart and genuine, but it sounds like there’s some miscommunication going on with your partner. Have a chat about it; it might help clear things up. It’d be a shame to let this situation make you unhappy or push you to leave. If talking doesn’t work out, you might want to consider figuring out how to support yourself. Just remember, you’ve got options!

BelleSauvage9 · 17/11/2024 18:54

Firstly thanks for the happy birthdays 😊

I'm just going to add a little to give a clearer picture as people have said about not having certain information.

  • he leaves the house just before 7 and gets home at about 5:45
  • he does a physical job that involves a fair bit of heavy lifting
  • I have a degree
  • I do all bedtimes as both dc2 and 3 breastfeed to sleep. Dc3 co sleeps, dc2 was co sleeping until very recently but we've moved house and she is now in her own bed
  • dc2 breastfeeds before nap and bed, dc3 still breastfeeds quite a lot
  • both dc2 and 3 are quite clingy to me. They're not too bad when I'm not there but if I'm in the house they typically always want me. Dc2 is a bit less so than dc3 and more willing for dp to do things for/with her. It is obviously unpleasant for dp to have kids screaming and trying to get to me when he tries to have them while I do something, but I think that won't change unless the effort is put in to getting them more okay with him taking over and he gives up pretty quick which I think isn't helping the situation.
  • dp very rarely cooks or does housework, though he does all the diy. I do 99% of life admin (he pretty much only does the things that require him to do it - e.g stuff with his bank where they won't talk to me about his account)
  • we do not live solely on his wages, we also get some universal credit
  • dc2 is not in nursery, I have dc2 and 3 with me 24/7

I now can't remember if there was any more information I was going to add so will have a look and come back with anything else I think I've missed.

OP posts:
Purpleumberella · 17/11/2024 18:11

Cyb3rg4l · 17/11/2024 17:56

Where has she said he does? What is more stressful than being 100% responsible for keeping small human beings alive, well and happy? When my children were small I was at home with them full time until school - having worked full time previously in a highly stressful job. I would have gladly sprinted out of the house to work to escape the unremitting responsibility of being a SAHM. As a parent, working full time to support your family is the bare minimum not a pass to get out of parenting your own children. Works full time 5 days a week, excellent that leaves 2 days to be a full time parent. If they are up, you are up.

As I said previously you're assuming things to create a narrative. If he didnt help at all then I'm sure she would have said that but she hasn't. She's mentioned the weekend lie in as being the issue.
She's not 100% responsible as one kid is in school, one is in nursery so she's looking after one of her own children during the day 5 days a week then he's doing his bit when he's not at work as far as we know. It's not the same as a full time job, simple as.

Also at the end of the day these things should have been discussed when OP quit her job to be a parent. How childcare, housework etc will be split is an essential basic conversation to have and nobody seems to be focusing on that being the issue. Just saying OP is a victim and has no responsibilty in this situation and husband is rubbish without knowing half the facts isn't the answer here.

Workingmum13 · 17/11/2024 18:06

Cyb3rg4l · 17/11/2024 17:56

Where has she said he does? What is more stressful than being 100% responsible for keeping small human beings alive, well and happy? When my children were small I was at home with them full time until school - having worked full time previously in a highly stressful job. I would have gladly sprinted out of the house to work to escape the unremitting responsibility of being a SAHM. As a parent, working full time to support your family is the bare minimum not a pass to get out of parenting your own children. Works full time 5 days a week, excellent that leaves 2 days to be a full time parent. If they are up, you are up.

I don't know what to say when some equate being a brain surgeon to raising children. It's just not true. Again, her being a SAHM does not support the living, eating, and clothing aspects of parenting. Because she cannot afford to feed, clothe, or house herself or her children in even her current standard of living is shocking to me. You stayed at home because you wanted to, that's it. The only studies done on the impact of an SAHM mother on outcomes for children are shockingly bad. No one talks about it. The caveat hangs on the mother's education level; outcomes become more positive. Sahm is a recent thing and coincides with children being less happy, less independent, and more prone to SEN. I think we, as women and men, should really think about what is happening in our homes.

PaminaMozart · 17/11/2024 18:00

@BelleSauvage9 - what worries me about your situation is that he seems to have no consideration for you and your needs. I don't know if this is due to extreme selfishness or because he simply doesn't value you and what you do for him and your family. Looking at your posts as an outsider, it seems that there is very little love left, and no sense that you are in this together.

You keep referring to him as your partner, which suggests that you are not married. As an unmarried mother who doesn't work outside the home you are quite vulnerable. In your shoes I'd think about the implications and formulate a plan to become less dependent on your partner. Just in case it gets to the point where you might want to end the relationship.

Cyb3rg4l · 17/11/2024 17:56

Purpleumberella · 17/11/2024 17:45

How do you know she works more hours? You're assuming things as OP hasn't said he doesn't help after work or at the weekend. Also he may have a more stressful and demanding job than being a parent which lets be honest a lot of jobs are.

All shes said is that he has a lie in at the weekend so isn't the one to get up with the kids. That alone really isn't an issue.

Where has she said he does? What is more stressful than being 100% responsible for keeping small human beings alive, well and happy? When my children were small I was at home with them full time until school - having worked full time previously in a highly stressful job. I would have gladly sprinted out of the house to work to escape the unremitting responsibility of being a SAHM. As a parent, working full time to support your family is the bare minimum not a pass to get out of parenting your own children. Works full time 5 days a week, excellent that leaves 2 days to be a full time parent. If they are up, you are up.

Purpleumberella · 17/11/2024 17:45

Cyb3rg4l · 16/11/2024 20:21

So he works full time outside the home 5 days a week and of course it’s reasonable for him to have a lie in at the weekend. OP works full time inside the home, longer hours, but it is not reasonable for her to have a lie in at the weekend because her work is unpaid? Did I get that right?

How do you know she works more hours? You're assuming things as OP hasn't said he doesn't help after work or at the weekend. Also he may have a more stressful and demanding job than being a parent which lets be honest a lot of jobs are.

All shes said is that he has a lie in at the weekend so isn't the one to get up with the kids. That alone really isn't an issue.

Purpleumberella · 17/11/2024 17:40

Flowerrrr · 17/11/2024 13:30

Or they could have one morning a week each where they get a lie in. Honestly the reason men get away with crap like this and find it acceptable is because there are mugs like you who don't see an issue with it. Sad.

Actually my man would never get away with this as it isn't the status quo I've set. If I'm bothered about something I'd speak up before it becomes the norm. Not be a martyr and then get inside my own head that my husband doesn't care about me and that he's useless because of one tiny thing such as a lie in on the weekend. It's clearly at the point now here where one of her kids is so clingy with her in the morning that he was crying for his Mum this morning. That's not just his fault but hers as well as she should have noticed that sooner.

People forget relationships are about communication and there's no signs here that OP has properly tried to communicate this before it's got to a point where she's bitter about it. Put your foot down on things that are non negotiable or don't be in a relationship.

There's also so much about this situation we have no idea of such as what job does he do, how many hours is he actually working etc. Like my brother is a doctor, works about 50 hours a week in a stressful job and his wife doesn't so she does most of the childcare and he gets a lie in at the weekend and she has no problem with it as she appreciates his income , their nice house and that her husband does a hugely stressful job. OP seems to think husband contributes nothing which shows she can't see situations clearly as in what world is working full time to support your family not contributing.

Workingmum13 · 17/11/2024 17:29

Flowerrrr · 17/11/2024 16:20

I don't think people are making out that his contribution is worthless, but he has 3 children, he needs to grow up and be a decent partner and a father. If he was single with no children he would invariably still work full time, as is he probably actually does less around the house etc outside of work than he would as a single man, which is beyond pathetic. Paid employment is valuable, staying home with the children is valuable (affording 3 lots of childcare would be pricey let's be real); BOTH should get a lie in, both should support eachother.

I'm responding to those who are. People are saying he is lazy and useless, so leave him. It is nuts. I completely agree they both need to support each other. If he split up from his wife and went 50/50, his life would be unchanged, ultimately. Domestic labour is cheap, and he can always get that covered. I'm saying their parents and friends should be able to talk to each other, not hold, not set tests and be able to use an alarm. His costs include the OP so no, him being single would immdiatley make him finacially betterr off. This is an explosive way to approach a communication problem.

Flowerrrr · 17/11/2024 16:20

Workingmum13 · 17/11/2024 15:40

Did that make you feel powerful. I dont think it was. Kind of pathetic you cant engage in convo. Noone works 24/7 its obviously a lie a weird one. Children aleep, they go to school ect. Rather then using this to make out her husband is worthless, understand what he does do. To the poster above who said calculate unpaid labour its not unpaid, if you are living in a house wearing clothes eating food, this waa the payment for labour. You cannot be fully funded by another person then turn round and make out, the working person does nothing. I would tell my son leave, do not be taken for granted

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I don't think people are making out that his contribution is worthless, but he has 3 children, he needs to grow up and be a decent partner and a father. If he was single with no children he would invariably still work full time, as is he probably actually does less around the house etc outside of work than he would as a single man, which is beyond pathetic. Paid employment is valuable, staying home with the children is valuable (affording 3 lots of childcare would be pricey let's be real); BOTH should get a lie in, both should support eachother.

LookItsMeAgain · 17/11/2024 16:11

I'm after reading your update and firstly let me say "HAPPY BIRTHDAY" to you!!!

Next, just because he set an alarm, he made a half arsed attempt at looking after the kids this morning. You even said he didn't make it past the landing before one of them got clingy and wanted mummy.
He should have scooted that kid along with the others downstairs saying that mummy was having a lie on because it's her birthday. Let mummy sleep.
He didn't.
He didn't even try to.

This is verging (if it hasn't already taken a complete turn) into weaponised incompetence. When he tries to show that he does something and he doesn't either do it well or even at all, then you would say why didn't you do X or Y, then he complains but look I tried and you're still not happy. He'll turn his half arsed attempt back on you which is wrong.

I'd let him continue but the next time, I'd open the door, stand in the doorway and say to him "You need to bring X straight down stairs or they'll complain. Once they are down stairs, you need to occupy their attention, just as I have done so many many times for you."

Over time, it may get better but at the very least you'll have given it your best shot at levelling the playing field here.

Sending you lots of birthday greetings, and all the strength to power on!

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Workingmum13 · 17/11/2024 15:40

Flowerrrr · 17/11/2024 15:06

This is one of the stupidest comments I've read on here, and that's saying something.

Did that make you feel powerful. I dont think it was. Kind of pathetic you cant engage in convo. Noone works 24/7 its obviously a lie a weird one. Children aleep, they go to school ect. Rather then using this to make out her husband is worthless, understand what he does do. To the poster above who said calculate unpaid labour its not unpaid, if you are living in a house wearing clothes eating food, this waa the payment for labour. You cannot be fully funded by another person then turn round and make out, the working person does nothing. I would tell my son leave, do not be taken for granted

Cyb3rg4l · 17/11/2024 15:31

Purpleumberella · 17/11/2024 12:40

Because shes complaining about getting up with the kids and having to work essentially but she could stay through in the bedroom after shes woken him up and relax or if shes tired enough she'll fall back asleep.

Yeah a grown man who gets himself up for work 5 days a week. He's probably exhausted at the weekend and is looking forward to the 2 days he doesn't have to set an alarm.

If he wasn't there she'd have to financially support herself so she better start that now then if this is the battle shes going to pick.

She is also getting up for work 5 days a week to parent alone while he is working outside the house. When are her two days off?

Flowerrrr · 17/11/2024 15:06

Workingmum13 · 17/11/2024 14:20

Also, FYI, unless you've given birth to a very unwell child, they should not be up 24/7 because they would die. SAHM is not, after a point, a 24/7 job; it's just not true. Op has an 18-month-old baby; this is extreme tiredness; her husband won't understand or see her load because SHE does not see his load or in any way support it. He can help with the ops job, but she can't help with his how is that fair?

This is one of the stupidest comments I've read on here, and that's saying something.

Knowlewoman · 17/11/2024 14:59

In your position and knowing how deeply hurt, angered, and insulted you are, I'd think long and hard about just how much of the unpaid labour you perform in comparison to what he does. If you're expected to run the house, bring up the children, shoulder the administrative burden, regardless of whether you contribute positively financially, whilst he simply brings in a salary, is it the relationship you truly want? If he is weaponising incompetence with the old, "Oh, just tell me what you want me to do and I'll do it!", or "You're so much better at this than I am ... ", he has no motivation to change (he could have learnt to behave better at any point, but hasn't).

I don't think there are any easy answers to your situation; however, I do wish you all the best. You deserve the best.💐

Workingmum13 · 17/11/2024 14:31

So the only way she can stay at home is if he works 5 days a week, so yes she should pick up childcare, he shpuld pay for a weekend babysitter. They both should lie in. Or take a day each. But i cant understand how ypu can say he does nothing for the house. What the house he is working to pay for? Its like his contribution is meaningless and he should be grateful, why so un healthy.

SchrodingersParrot · 17/11/2024 14:26

a grown man who gets himself up for work 5 days a week. He's probably exhausted at the weekend and is looking forward to the 2 days he doesn't have to set an alarm.

And a woman who has to get up for the children 7 days a week. Doesn't that count as work?

Workingmum13 · 17/11/2024 14:20

Also, FYI, unless you've given birth to a very unwell child, they should not be up 24/7 because they would die. SAHM is not, after a point, a 24/7 job; it's just not true. Op has an 18-month-old baby; this is extreme tiredness; her husband won't understand or see her load because SHE does not see his load or in any way support it. He can help with the ops job, but she can't help with his how is that fair?

Workingmum13 · 17/11/2024 14:13

Let me get real: you are an unmarried, non-working mother, utterly reliant on one income, planning to leave because he does not show you in the specific way you have chosen to indicate love, which includes tea making. Yeah, as I said, this would not be a relationship I would stay in. Op the people on here are ggiving you terrible advice.