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to think solo train travel is not a big deal for most adults?

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traintaker · 09/11/2024 23:12

My friend and I both attended a wedding that was some distance away in a location we haven’t been to before. Neither of us wanted to do a long drive so we booked train tickets. It was a five hour journey including two train changes. (We are both single, for context, hence planning this together).

We each booked our own tickets, but discussed which trains we’d get. The day before we went, I realised that I had some work that I needed to finish, so I text my friend saying that I would be catching a later train (I booked an anytime ticket) so I would see her at the hotel (we were travelling down the day before so no particular deadline).

She was really upset with me, because she didn’t want to do the journey alone. Not just because it wouldn’t be as much fun, but because she was scared to do it alone. She had bought tickets for a specific train so didn’t have the same flexibility as me, but nevertheless she actually bought new tickets, at great expense, so that she could travel with me at the new time, and now I feel awful and as though I was totally unreasonable for not checking with her first before changing my travel plans.

I have known this friend for 25 years and she has never said anything to me about being a nervous traveller, we have actually flown abroad together twice (as part of a bigger group) and have caught the train many times. She is not a particularly nervous person (or so I thought) and I am now questioning myself because the thought never even crossed my mind that going on a long train journey alone would be a big deal for an average adult with no disabilities or mental health problems. I am a very independent person by nature though, and I enjoy going to places by myself.

So this is just a reality check for me really. Was I unreasonable in assuming that she would be okay making this journey on her own?

OP posts:
RhaenysRocks · 11/11/2024 18:53

RedPony1 · 11/11/2024 16:46

I'm a confident person, i dont have any mental health issues, but i absolutely would not do a train journey alone! i can only just bare it with a friend. The thought of doing it alone makes me feel physically sick, i would also have bought new tickets.

But i'll drive any car, van or lorry anywhere in the country or abroad, alone. Trains though? Nope.

Can I ask why? If you are a confident person, what is it that you find so difficult?

RhaenysRocks · 11/11/2024 18:50

@FeelinTwentySixPointTwo yep me too..I could happily do all those things and have done. I love a long solo journey. It's not boring, it's comparative peace. The OP ultimately asked is most adults could do a solo journey a d I think the answer is yes. Not all, but most. As I said way upthread, it's a basic every day things, so if it DOES induce huge anxiety or is not even an option I would say there is something badly wrong and would want to address it if possible.

HotCrossBunplease · 11/11/2024 18:30

FeelinTwentySixPointTwo · 11/11/2024 17:47

I hope you all feel the same about going on a plane by yourself. Going out to a restaurant by yourself. Going on holiday by yourself. Going to the cinema/ concert/ festival by yourself

Honestly - yes. Doing any and all of these things by myself is completely normal and doesn't faze me at all.
Barring any additional needs, I would find it very weird for a grown adult to find doing these things on their own challenging.

Agreed. I have done all of these things without a second thought. Needs must when single in your thirties. Even now old habits die hard and I prefer doing things like cinema and concerts alone, can’t be bothered with making small talk in the interval. And I am a sociable person!

HotCrossBunplease · 11/11/2024 18:28

Differentstarts · 11/11/2024 17:27

Not if sitting in that train seat makes you anxious and puts you in high alert that's exhausting

And only an infinitesimally tiny (therefore statistically irrelevant) percentage of the population would have such a reaction.

Differentstarts · 11/11/2024 17:54

FeelinTwentySixPointTwo · 11/11/2024 17:47

I hope you all feel the same about going on a plane by yourself. Going out to a restaurant by yourself. Going on holiday by yourself. Going to the cinema/ concert/ festival by yourself

Honestly - yes. Doing any and all of these things by myself is completely normal and doesn't faze me at all.
Barring any additional needs, I would find it very weird for a grown adult to find doing these things on their own challenging.

I find that really interesting I wouldn't be able to do any of these things due to mental illness. But I'm surprised others without additional needs would happily go on holiday or a festival by themselves. I didn't realise the gap was so big on how much harder life is with additional needs

FeelinTwentySixPointTwo · 11/11/2024 17:47

I hope you all feel the same about going on a plane by yourself. Going out to a restaurant by yourself. Going on holiday by yourself. Going to the cinema/ concert/ festival by yourself

Honestly - yes. Doing any and all of these things by myself is completely normal and doesn't faze me at all.
Barring any additional needs, I would find it very weird for a grown adult to find doing these things on their own challenging.

Gwenhwyfar · 11/11/2024 17:46

traintaker · 10/11/2024 00:03

Hey, I’m not posting here to say how daft she is, I’m posting here because I’m feeling bad about it and was wondering if I’d been unreasonable to assume she’d be okay with the journey.

Message I’m getting is that I wasn’t unreasonable to assume that, however now that I know my friend is nervous I need to bear it in mind in future. Plus many people think I was rude to change my travel plans because to them the train journey would have been part of the fun.

I’m taking all this on board.

No, it's not just about being nervous. A five hour journey is boring and your friend thought she would have some company until you unilaterally changed the arrangements.

Differentstarts · 11/11/2024 17:45

sharpclawedkitten · 11/11/2024 17:41

What's nerve-racking about a train? I think driving is far more stressful!

But anyway, even if the friend is a bit wet, the OP is unfair for changing her plans at the last minute. I am not anxious about trains but I would prefer to do a 5 hour journey with a friend as it would be more interesting.

Just say you don't understand anxiety and you don't like people with it instead of calling them names

Gwenhwyfar · 11/11/2024 17:44

An adult should be able to take a train. However, if she thought you were going together, it's a bit unfair to change those plans without telling her.
I remember asking who wanted to meet up for a drink before a party, with the aim of not having to arrive alone at the party, only to have the friend who agreed to a pre-drink turn up on her bike meaning I had to take the tram on my own and arrive alone anyway. I was not happy.

sharpclawedkitten · 11/11/2024 17:41

Differentstarts · 11/11/2024 17:27

Not if sitting in that train seat makes you anxious and puts you in high alert that's exhausting

What's nerve-racking about a train? I think driving is far more stressful!

But anyway, even if the friend is a bit wet, the OP is unfair for changing her plans at the last minute. I am not anxious about trains but I would prefer to do a 5 hour journey with a friend as it would be more interesting.

Differentstarts · 11/11/2024 17:27

HotCrossBunplease · 11/11/2024 17:21

It doesn’t matter how different people are- staying alert enough to drive for 5 hours, and performing all the physical movements and mental judgments that involves, is more tiring than sitting in a train seat. To suggest anything different is absolute nonsense.

Not if sitting in that train seat makes you anxious and puts you in high alert that's exhausting

Differentstarts · 11/11/2024 17:26

All the people who think the friend is a wet wipe and pathetic for not wanting to travel 5 hrs on a train by herself and cant understand why others wouldn't. I hope you all feel the same about going on a plane by yourself. Going out to a restaurant by yourself. Going on holiday by yourself. Going to the cinema/ concert/ festival by yourself.

HotCrossBunplease · 11/11/2024 17:21

another1bitestheduck · 11/11/2024 16:44

no, you think sitting on a train is simple by comparison
Other people (including people on this thread) have said they find driving easy and public transport much harder/stressful etc.
People are different, and find different things hard/easy.

It doesn’t matter how different people are- staying alert enough to drive for 5 hours, and performing all the physical movements and mental judgments that involves, is more tiring than sitting in a train seat. To suggest anything different is absolute nonsense.

Differentstarts · 11/11/2024 17:21

Berlinlover · 11/11/2024 16:07

Total wet wipe. People like her drive me insane.

What people with anxiety

HotCrossBunplease · 11/11/2024 17:19

another1bitestheduck · 11/11/2024 16:41

why?

Someone who drives far distances for work might think a 5 hour drive is absolutely nothing and anyone who needs to split it is ridiculous - just like OP thinks travelling alone by train is not a big deal but her friend disagrees.

agreeing to split the petrol and going back on it would cost OP more
but agreeing to take the train at a certain time and then changing that time has cost the friend more.

Same thing.

No, it hasn’t cost the friend more. The friend had a perfectly valid ticket to travel by herself. What has cost her more is her decision to buy a new ticket so she could have company.

RedPony1 · 11/11/2024 16:46

I'm a confident person, i dont have any mental health issues, but i absolutely would not do a train journey alone! i can only just bare it with a friend. The thought of doing it alone makes me feel physically sick, i would also have bought new tickets.

But i'll drive any car, van or lorry anywhere in the country or abroad, alone. Trains though? Nope.

another1bitestheduck · 11/11/2024 16:44

RhaenysRocks · 11/11/2024 16:15

Because some people find driving tiring / boring / hard to follow a satnav etc whereas sitting on a train is simple by comparison. Personally I find both completely fine and enjoyable but I do think driving generally is less so just because I can't dick about on MN or read.

no, you think sitting on a train is simple by comparison
Other people (including people on this thread) have said they find driving easy and public transport much harder/stressful etc.
People are different, and find different things hard/easy.

another1bitestheduck · 11/11/2024 16:41

HotCrossBunplease · 11/11/2024 15:47

Don’t be ridiculous, agreeing to sit next to someone on a train is totally different to agreeing to do half the driving.

why?

Someone who drives far distances for work might think a 5 hour drive is absolutely nothing and anyone who needs to split it is ridiculous - just like OP thinks travelling alone by train is not a big deal but her friend disagrees.

agreeing to split the petrol and going back on it would cost OP more
but agreeing to take the train at a certain time and then changing that time has cost the friend more.

Same thing.

StarlightLady · 11/11/2024 16:31

CandidHedgehog · 11/11/2024 16:02

Why? Serious question because I wouldn’t see it as different at all.

Sharing driving requires 2 people to be in one place at the same time. Travelling to a station by train does not.

RhaenysRocks · 11/11/2024 16:15

CandidHedgehog · 11/11/2024 16:02

Why? Serious question because I wouldn’t see it as different at all.

Because some people find driving tiring / boring / hard to follow a satnav etc whereas sitting on a train is simple by comparison. Personally I find both completely fine and enjoyable but I do think driving generally is less so just because I can't dick about on MN or read.

HotCrossBunplease · 11/11/2024 16:09

CandidHedgehog · 11/11/2024 16:02

Why? Serious question because I wouldn’t see it as different at all.

Well, driving for 2.5 hours is tiring. Driving for 5 hours is twice as tiring.

Driving alone costs twice as much as splitting petrol with a friend.

Sitting on a train for 5 hours is no more tiring that sitting with a friend. Arguably it’s more relaxing as you can sleep more and don’t get tired out by chatting. The ticket cost does not change.

Berlinlover · 11/11/2024 16:07

Total wet wipe. People like her drive me insane.

CandidHedgehog · 11/11/2024 16:02

HotCrossBunplease · 11/11/2024 15:47

Don’t be ridiculous, agreeing to sit next to someone on a train is totally different to agreeing to do half the driving.

Why? Serious question because I wouldn’t see it as different at all.

AngeloMysterioso · 11/11/2024 15:55

Hurrayforfridays · 09/11/2024 23:21

I have no problems travelling by myself, but would be a bit upset if we'd planned to travel together and the other person changed it at the last minute to avoid travelling with me... However I would have just sucked it up...

She didn’t change them at the last minute to avoid travelling with her friend, she changed them because she had work to do.

insomniacalways · 11/11/2024 15:53

I travel by train a lot I am very confident with it. Others are not so I would have checked with the person. But I do loads of stuff alone other people think is weird - go to the cinema , see plays, eat in restaurants walk around unfamiliar cities, go shopping. Some people really aren't confident without other people - I've learnt and always check .

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