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to think solo train travel is not a big deal for most adults?

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traintaker · 09/11/2024 23:12

My friend and I both attended a wedding that was some distance away in a location we haven’t been to before. Neither of us wanted to do a long drive so we booked train tickets. It was a five hour journey including two train changes. (We are both single, for context, hence planning this together).

We each booked our own tickets, but discussed which trains we’d get. The day before we went, I realised that I had some work that I needed to finish, so I text my friend saying that I would be catching a later train (I booked an anytime ticket) so I would see her at the hotel (we were travelling down the day before so no particular deadline).

She was really upset with me, because she didn’t want to do the journey alone. Not just because it wouldn’t be as much fun, but because she was scared to do it alone. She had bought tickets for a specific train so didn’t have the same flexibility as me, but nevertheless she actually bought new tickets, at great expense, so that she could travel with me at the new time, and now I feel awful and as though I was totally unreasonable for not checking with her first before changing my travel plans.

I have known this friend for 25 years and she has never said anything to me about being a nervous traveller, we have actually flown abroad together twice (as part of a bigger group) and have caught the train many times. She is not a particularly nervous person (or so I thought) and I am now questioning myself because the thought never even crossed my mind that going on a long train journey alone would be a big deal for an average adult with no disabilities or mental health problems. I am a very independent person by nature though, and I enjoy going to places by myself.

So this is just a reality check for me really. Was I unreasonable in assuming that she would be okay making this journey on her own?

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Dreamskies · 10/11/2024 01:50

Does she use trains a lot? I never used to use them, and when I suddenly needed to use them for working at other offices across the country I realised I actually didn’t even know how it all worked and was anxious about doing it alone.

I’m fine with it now of course, but it’s boring as hell so I would prefer to travel with someone.

UnNiddeRides · 10/11/2024 01:43

You had a firm plan & changed it with little notice. How much later did you arrive at the hotel than the original time?

Screamingabdabz · 10/11/2024 01:41

I think she’s right to be a bit put out as you planned it together but to carry on with the grudge is pathetic.

BungleandGeorge · 10/11/2024 01:33

Tomatina · 10/11/2024 00:56

I think your friend is a bit pathetic to be honest. An adult woman afraid of a train journey? Unless she's had some traumatic experience on a train in the past she needs to become a bit more self reliant and adventurous.

Are you like that with all your friends? I’d say the majority of people have things they dislike/ fear whether that’s spiders, mice, speaking in public, talking on the phone, travelling alone. Heights etc. surely a friend just understands and helps out rather than stands in judgement?

HerBloodIsLikeLiquidFire · 10/11/2024 01:23

I've never been on a train alone in my life. I'd be blindsided if someone did this to me. I have a fear of trains but I can cope when with another person and that's when it's a last resort. Maybe she feels the same way?

YaB · 10/11/2024 01:16

MagpiePi · 09/11/2024 23:34

I’m single and find it really odd at all the things that grown women are nervous about doing on their own but then see it as some huge liberation or statement of empowerment if they manage to do something. Things like using public transport, driving a long distance, going on holiday, eating out, going to the cinema, or a concert or art gallery alone.

That’s because you’re single and used it it so water off a ducks back. People in relationships who don’t do things alone can find they are out of their comfort zone

PlumViper · 10/11/2024 01:09

for me using trains the scary thing is falling asleep and waking up after my destination and its oh pickles

flyingfar · 10/11/2024 01:01

Tomatina · 10/11/2024 00:56

I think your friend is a bit pathetic to be honest. An adult woman afraid of a train journey? Unless she's had some traumatic experience on a train in the past she needs to become a bit more self reliant and adventurous.

Given the state of UK trains at the moment, I get anxious travelling. You never know if you are going to get stranded somewhere, there are frequent cancellations and often problems on the line. I’ve had some tricky journeys over the past few years and it is nicer if there are two of you to share the decision making or if you get stuck somewhere.

Tomatina · 10/11/2024 00:56

I think your friend is a bit pathetic to be honest. An adult woman afraid of a train journey? Unless she's had some traumatic experience on a train in the past she needs to become a bit more self reliant and adventurous.

XiCi · 10/11/2024 00:54

Parkmybentley · 09/11/2024 23:57

You're missing the point. You were incredibly rude to this "friend" !

If it were me I'd be looking forward to a solid 5 hours to catch up with a friend. That's a luxury and a lot of fun! The fact you flippantly cancelled at the last minute and are now posting on MN about how daft she is for wanting to change her ticket.. I mean wow. Very rude indeed.

Completely agree with this. It was a really shitty thing to do, making arrangements and then changing them last minute. Especially with no discussion beforehand. You know that already though dont you. I don't buy the faux surprise that your friend is upset at all.

Tangled123 · 10/11/2024 00:49

I don’t think you were unreasonable for thinking she’d be ok with the journey, but she isn’t unreasonable either for being annoyed.
A Lot depends on where the wedding was too. You said you haven’t been to the area before. How did you get to the hotel from the train station? Would she be able to meet other people while waiting for you to arrive, or would she have been on her own? I think it’s normal to not want to be somewhere new by themselves if they had expected company.

greenbuckets · 10/11/2024 00:49

Don't know about 'most people' but I think it's fairly normal to be fine with a solo train journey. Your friend has chosen to buy a new ticket though, and that's up to her - not something to feel bad about. Having said that I'd be disappointed that I was no longer doing the 5 hour journey with my friend.

pollyglot · 10/11/2024 00:44

Oh! From the title I thought you meant Trans-Siberian at the very least. How can anyone be so wibbly?

jannier · 10/11/2024 00:41

Some people have anxiety some don't I think as you planned to travel together you are unreasonable

Mlanket · 10/11/2024 00:31

I find long train journeys really stressful for some reason. In part I think it’s because I’ve done very few of them but I’ve always felt like a right tit getting anxious about them. I just find the whole thing stressful, it starts with not wanting to miss it as you are on the fast one, then waiting for the platform number to be announced and then of course it’s announced 1min before boarding and you are at the wrong end. Then you have to make sure you don’t sit in the half of the train that is splitting off to go somewhere else, then it’s pot luck if you have someone in your seat. Once I’m on, it’s fine although I get a bit stressed I will fall asleep and end up somewhere else.

BettyBardMacDonald · 10/11/2024 00:29

Yougetmoreofwhatyoufocuson · 09/11/2024 23:21

She is being a bit of a wet blanket. You let her know your change of plans and she chose to spend the extortionate fees to buy new tickets to travel with you. She ruined it for herself, by forking over all that money and then probably not enjoying your company all that much!
I used to fly into Heathrow at 14, take the underground to Paddington and then a train out to school twice a year.

That sounds like an exciting life; I envy you!

BettyBardMacDonald · 10/11/2024 00:28

DappledThings · 09/11/2024 23:15

You are not being unreasonable at all. There's nothing scary about being on a train. I'd be excited about the time to myself to read and nap and whatever else I fancied.

This. She sounds a bit odd.

traintaker · 10/11/2024 00:26

DinosaurMunch · 10/11/2024 00:15

It's not about the train journey. It's about the fact that you agreed to do something with someone and then bailed. Although if you bought a Flexi ticket you obviously always thought you might change plans so maybe your communication wasn't very clear? Did you tell her you might need to work late and did she know you were getting a flexible ticket? Or did you just assume she wouldn't mind you dropping out last minute?

I didn’t know I’d need to work late until the day before, I just like to get flexible tickets… for the flexibility I guess! Trains can be unpredictable. And yes I just assumed she wouldn’t mind me meeting her later on. I wouldn’t have minded personally if the roles were reversed. I might have been a bit disappointed to miss out on her company but not to the point of getting angry or it affecting our friendship. I would have just looked forward to meeting her at the hotel.

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DinosaurMunch · 10/11/2024 00:25

Maybe you're one of those flakey people then... To me it wouldn't make any difference if it was a hen do or a drink at the pub, I'd always do what I said I would. But some people are inclined to drop out of things last minute - that's annoying

CandidHedgehog · 10/11/2024 00:24

traintaker · 10/11/2024 00:15

I’m hearing all this criticism loud and clear.

To just clarify my own perspective, if I had cancelled coming to her birthday party, or her hen-do, or a weekend away together, I would understand the issue and I would never cancel something like that at the last minute, it would be very hurtful.
But I just never classed a train journey to somebody else’s wedding as a personal commitment even close to that level.

But 5 hours 1:1 socialising is probably more than you would have at a party with other guests, although maybe not a weekend away if it’s just the two of you. Hence why I’d come up with an excuse not to travel with anyone but a very close friend.

BungleandGeorge · 10/11/2024 00:24

You planned to travel with her on a long journey and let her down the day before because you want to do work instead. Yes that’s crap and is no different to cancelling a meal out etc. clearly she’s not ok travelling the 5 hours and 2 train changes on her own as she’s now hugely out of pocket to not so so.
I don’t mind getting the train alone but have had some pretty awful hassle from men on 2 occasions, there will be a reason she doesn’t want to do it alone

CandidHedgehog · 10/11/2024 00:20

traintaker · 10/11/2024 00:10

Wow that’s a really strong reaction. It honestly never occurred to me that somebody would care that much about a train journey. Food for thought for sure.

In my mind, it has nothing to do with what the activity is. I actually usually prefer not to travel with someone - give me headphones and a book any day. Five hours enforced proximity / socialising is something I’d only do with someone I was close to. If that person made it clear they were happy to break an arrangement to be in my company for multiple hours at the last minute I’d assume that said something about how they saw our relationship so I’d back off and assume I’d misjudged how close we were.

DinosaurMunch · 10/11/2024 00:15

traintaker · 10/11/2024 00:10

Wow that’s a really strong reaction. It honestly never occurred to me that somebody would care that much about a train journey. Food for thought for sure.

It's not about the train journey. It's about the fact that you agreed to do something with someone and then bailed. Although if you bought a Flexi ticket you obviously always thought you might change plans so maybe your communication wasn't very clear? Did you tell her you might need to work late and did she know you were getting a flexible ticket? Or did you just assume she wouldn't mind you dropping out last minute?

traintaker · 10/11/2024 00:15

I’m hearing all this criticism loud and clear.

To just clarify my own perspective, if I had cancelled coming to her birthday party, or her hen-do, or a weekend away together, I would understand the issue and I would never cancel something like that at the last minute, it would be very hurtful.
But I just never classed a train journey to somebody else’s wedding as a personal commitment even close to that level.

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DinosaurMunch · 10/11/2024 00:11

You made a commitment and then cancelled last minute. That's pretty flakey and I'd be annoyed too. Nothing to do with being scared of trains!

Surely if you agree to do something with a friend you do it, barring a major emergency? 5 hours is a long time.