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poetryandwine · 09/11/2024 17:13

Timber oak can last much longer than 60 years. New England, the Midwest and the Deep South of America have many timber oak houses from the 19th c in good condition, including some owned by friends of ours.

All is subject to more intense rainfall than we get, and in New England and the Midwest there is also a lot of snow. It is important to maintain the paintwork, however.

Latticewindow · 09/11/2024 17:05

Bubblebuttress · 09/11/2024 16:27

@FujiWisteria

I’ve read timber oak can last 60 years but am more inclined for brick. Are you thinking brick?

Thank you to the PPs mentioning the cold…. We had a conservatory in the last house, one of the uPVC kind and it was cold, and noisy in the rain, hence me hesitating. Those that have one where the insulating materials I think make the difference… what kind of things to ask for?

Here’s another style we I really like.

Would it affect whether you would buy this house in the future if you hated them. Thank you for the comments -please keep them coming!

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I’d buy this - it’s beautiful

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Bubblebuttress · 09/11/2024 17:03

I thought maybe advertising not allowed. The pics are from Westbury, they are only an hour away so think we will visit next week

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Woodstocks · 09/11/2024 17:03

DONT DO IT.

I once viewed a house that had this and it was awful and the reason I didn’t buy it. Visited on a normal spring day, sunny but not hot as English weather normally is but it was so humid in there and because it wasn’t properly separated from the rest of the house it was humid all over. In winter it would be freezing.

it’s essentially going to be unusable.

Mirabai · 09/11/2024 17:02

Bubblebuttress · 09/11/2024 16:59

I wish! No it’s from a company that advertises orangeries, not sure I am allowed to link to them. we are going to visit in person next week

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Why not?

The usual ones are Vale, David Salisbury and Westbury. I prefer Vale but they’re slower.

PyreneanAubrie · 09/11/2024 17:00

We have an orangery running the full width of our semi. Two side walls brick, French doors at centre with steps down to garden. Deep triple windows each side, tiled roof with two large Velux. Tiled floor. We use it as a dining room/sitting room. Large table one end, small sofa at the other. It's west facing so summer afternoons/evenings can be hellish and slatted blinds are a must. We're very glad we opted for orangery with solid roof and not a conservatory. We toyed with the idea of making it a kitchen but it seemed more practical to use as a dining/sitting area and it runs off the kitchen anyway. It is usable all year round.

Mirabai · 09/11/2024 16:59

If you have a period property - you can get bifold doors that don’t look like they are - they look like regular French windows.

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Bubblebuttress · 09/11/2024 16:59

allaboutsign · 09/11/2024 16:45

is this actually your property op?

I wish! No it’s from a company that advertises orangeries, not sure I am allowed to link to them. we are going to visit in person next week

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Sawlt · 09/11/2024 16:57

I would suggest … before you get those folding glass doors, that you visit a space that has them, and try them and check condition after being used for a while.

suggest going for a lot of glass, but not a room that fully opens. Big heavy sliding glass doors that lock properly is better security.

Image you posted is unrealistic fantasy house photo…. White sofas right there on the edge & the doors will get wet/ruined if folded out and unexpected rain. No flow to garden

TherapistInATabard · 09/11/2024 16:56

‘Orangery’ lol

diddl · 09/11/2024 16:49

Bubblebuttress · 09/11/2024 16:27

@FujiWisteria

I’ve read timber oak can last 60 years but am more inclined for brick. Are you thinking brick?

Thank you to the PPs mentioning the cold…. We had a conservatory in the last house, one of the uPVC kind and it was cold, and noisy in the rain, hence me hesitating. Those that have one where the insulating materials I think make the difference… what kind of things to ask for?

Here’s another style we I really like.

Would it affect whether you would buy this house in the future if you hated them. Thank you for the comments -please keep them coming!

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Possibly depends on what type of house it's on but as a rule that's exactly what I hate.

A kitchen with a dining table & settee in!

FranticFrankie · 09/11/2024 16:48

We knocked ours down (ice box in winter despite a big radiator and very very hot in summer) and built an extension instead.

allaboutsign · 09/11/2024 16:45

these are styles you like?

allaboutsign · 09/11/2024 16:45

is this actually your property op?

Ohthatsabitshit · 09/11/2024 16:44

I think gorgeous.

Mirabai · 09/11/2024 16:42

Bubblebuttress · 09/11/2024 16:27

@FujiWisteria

I’ve read timber oak can last 60 years but am more inclined for brick. Are you thinking brick?

Thank you to the PPs mentioning the cold…. We had a conservatory in the last house, one of the uPVC kind and it was cold, and noisy in the rain, hence me hesitating. Those that have one where the insulating materials I think make the difference… what kind of things to ask for?

Here’s another style we I really like.

Would it affect whether you would buy this house in the future if you hated them. Thank you for the comments -please keep them coming!

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If you have 2 sides of brick with French windows onto the garden and a skylight - (actually 2 smaller skylights is better than one as it breaks up the heat and the glare) - you should be ok if it faces east.

CheltenhamLady · 09/11/2024 16:40

We have one and love it. It is well-insulated and warm. We did have to have special blinds made for the roof lights though. In fact, it looks almost exactly like the one pictured above, except the island runs the opposite way to make the most of the wrap-around garden views.

Mirabai · 09/11/2024 16:39

SiobhanSharpe · 09/11/2024 16:28

My conservatory is mostly glass but with a brick base/lower part to about 45cm height. It's most definitely not an orangery.
The name seems to have been adopted to make a bog standard conservatory sound rather more posh.
Real orangeries are separate, free standing buildings, as in Kew Gardens.

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The distinction is used to denote the amount of glass. Conservatories are mostly glass, orangeries have much more brick, they do not have to be separate. The conservatory at Kew is freestanding also.

SprigatitoYouAndIKnow · 09/11/2024 16:36

Ooh I love it. I am opposed to most of mumsnet and wider society, as I would love a conservatory. I would just fill it to the brim with plants though, so the people wouldn't get much of a look in.

Cherandcheralike · 09/11/2024 16:31

That's the same style I want! My friend has one and it hasn't felt cold but it's half brick with a roof light rather than full orangery (like your second link). I'm currently thinking best to have the kitchen bit in the house side of the room but be able to move the table into the orangery in the summer. My inspiration is the restaurant at the pig in the new forest.

ApplePieCrumble · 09/11/2024 16:31

I don’t think I like those popular bi fold doors. We have a garden room, which is basically a brick wall and window conservatory, with a proper slate roof, and two radiators

It’s freezing in the winter, the radiators work, I just think three walls of double glazed windows and french doors are really cold.

The roof and kitchen look fabulous, and I could be wrong about bi folds, but there seems more scope for cold that way than we have.

Tooffless · 09/11/2024 16:30

A neighbour has one. Thinks they're private but you can see them wandering around scratching their arse in the morning from the popular dog walking route a bit higher up.

SiobhanSharpe · 09/11/2024 16:28

Ponoka7 · 09/11/2024 16:22

A orangery is brick and glass, a conservatory is glass, with minimal glass.

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My conservatory is mostly glass but with a brick base/lower part to about 45cm height. It's most definitely not an orangery.
The name seems to have been adopted to make a bog standard conservatory sound rather more posh.
Real orangeries are separate, free standing buildings, as in Kew Gardens.

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Bubblebuttress · 09/11/2024 16:27

@FujiWisteria

I’ve read timber oak can last 60 years but am more inclined for brick. Are you thinking brick?

Thank you to the PPs mentioning the cold…. We had a conservatory in the last house, one of the uPVC kind and it was cold, and noisy in the rain, hence me hesitating. Those that have one where the insulating materials I think make the difference… what kind of things to ask for?

Here’s another style we I really like.

Would it affect whether you would buy this house in the future if you hated them. Thank you for the comments -please keep them coming!

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Threetrees745 · 09/11/2024 16:26

Bubblebuttress · 09/11/2024 16:07

We want an extension than has lots of light. We have a snug room but are thinking of a kitchen orangerie. Are they tacky? Even in brick? They look lovely and light and with underfloor heating might be ok in winter?
AIBU - they are tacky and I would not want one
YANBU - they look lovely, wish we could do it

We had one in our old house and the summer months were awful as it was far, far, far too hot.