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Orangerie kitchen? Yes or no

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Bubblebuttress · 09/11/2024 16:07

We want an extension than has lots of light. We have a snug room but are thinking of a kitchen orangerie. Are they tacky? Even in brick? They look lovely and light and with underfloor heating might be ok in winter?
AIBU - they are tacky and I would not want one
YANBU - they look lovely, wish we could do it

Orangerie kitchen? Yes or no
OP posts:
PyreneanAubrie · 10/11/2024 09:35

Soocks · 10/11/2024 08:45

A bit of both, tiled roof with 4 very large velux. I think the noise is tiresome, but I have double doors to the room so I simply close them.
In a kitchen I wouldn't be able to forget about the space.
I have a small velux in my ensuite and the racket from that means the loo door is always closed when it rains.
A noisy racket IMO.
I would hate it in a kitchen.

Must be a personal thing then, I presume.

I quite like hearing the rain on the Velux, which is just as well given that I live in the West Pennine Moors 🙄

ErrolTheDragon · 10/11/2024 09:21

Bubblebuttress · 10/11/2024 07:07

Yes, I think more like my second pic the lanterns would be in a solid roof, with two brick walls.

Thank you to the op who said rain noise is less with that.

it seems underfloor heating is the way to go… we have a woodburner that is in the lounge/snug/living room/parlour/cwtch so think of having doors that can open out into the L shaped orangery. I’ll post up some ideas. It’s seems it will cost less than the solid extension even if done to a high standard.

Edited

So really, an extension (not an 'orangerie' or garden room with lots of windows including a roof light? Sounds good to me.

Tbh I love conservatories etc - we had one built on our first house which we used for dining, masses of plants and was nice to sit in. But it was in the right location, worked ok with the shape of the house. I'd love a light airy room like that again but we can't see how it'd work where we are now. If we were moving, a well designed and built one would be a plus. A poorly built or inappropriately sited one would be a no-no.

OhBeAFineGuyKissMe · 10/11/2024 09:11

I thought conservatories had a lockable door between them and the house, when orangeries and sunrooms don’t and are a lot more open.

Well made they don’t need to be sun traps (East facing is good - morning sun) and with a solid roof and decent glazing can be used all year around. Underfloor heating is wonderful and usually efficient (electric underfloor can be expensive so you need a wet system).

One downside is it can make the other rooms a lot darker as they are further away from the windows, be very careful of creating 1 sunny space but also 2 really gloomy ones at the same time.

allaboutsign · 10/11/2024 09:08

what square footage are you envisioning?

justasking111 · 10/11/2024 08:58

Friends with bi folds very quickly bought full length blinds for them which did work. Our conservatory has an insulated roof, blinds, underfloor heating, and a wall heater pushing out air. We also have a log burner in the sitting room which does heat it. The reverse being when it's sunny it heats the house which is free heat.

You just need to open/close doors, pull down blinds as necessary.

Soocks · 10/11/2024 08:45

PyreneanAubrie · 09/11/2024 23:26

I presume you refer to a conservatory or a flat roof? On a tiled roof with skylights the rain is not intrusive at all.

A bit of both, tiled roof with 4 very large velux. I think the noise is tiresome, but I have double doors to the room so I simply close them.
In a kitchen I wouldn't be able to forget about the space.
I have a small velux in my ensuite and the racket from that means the loo door is always closed when it rains.
A noisy racket IMO.
I would hate it in a kitchen.

Bubblebuttress · 10/11/2024 07:07

Yes, I think more like my second pic the lanterns would be in a solid roof, with two brick walls.

Thank you to the op who said rain noise is less with that.

it seems underfloor heating is the way to go… we have a woodburner that is in the lounge/snug/living room/parlour/cwtch so think of having doors that can open out into the L shaped orangery. I’ll post up some ideas. It’s seems it will cost less than the solid extension even if done to a high standard.

OP posts:
Mirabai · 10/11/2024 00:21

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 09/11/2024 22:35

My parents have an orangery attached to their period house. It has brick walls with windows and french doors opening to the garden and a solid roof with glass lantern, faces north east.
It has underfloor heating which makes it expensive to heat in winter, so it's not used then, it can get hot in high summer but is ok with the doors open. It is lovely and light but I certainly wouldn't want to have a kitchen in there.

That is always the problem. The way to mitigate that is to have two solid side walls and a small roof lantern or better still too smaller roof lanterns in the solid roof.

It also slightly depends how open the room is to the rest of the house. If it’s effectively an additional box with a door to the main house, those tend to get colder as they’re not warmed by the rest of the house.

justasking111 · 09/11/2024 23:28

I know someone with a Penguin stove in it for the winter. It's lovely. There's pictures of it on Instagram

PyreneanAubrie · 09/11/2024 23:26

Soocks · 09/11/2024 23:02

The noise in the rain can be very very annoying.
I would give that some serious thought.
Bring up a heavy rain sound on your phone and put it on a speaker.
Itvis annoying.

I presume you refer to a conservatory or a flat roof? On a tiled roof with skylights the rain is not intrusive at all.

Soocks · 09/11/2024 23:02

The noise in the rain can be very very annoying.
I would give that some serious thought.
Bring up a heavy rain sound on your phone and put it on a speaker.
Itvis annoying.

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 09/11/2024 22:35

My parents have an orangery attached to their period house. It has brick walls with windows and french doors opening to the garden and a solid roof with glass lantern, faces north east.
It has underfloor heating which makes it expensive to heat in winter, so it's not used then, it can get hot in high summer but is ok with the doors open. It is lovely and light but I certainly wouldn't want to have a kitchen in there.

StarDolphins · 09/11/2024 22:24

Gorgeous!

Mirabai · 09/11/2024 22:23

AgathaLioness · 09/11/2024 21:18

Lounge isn't pretentious at all...

Id go for brick up to half height then windows all round, and some old fashioned timber double doors out onto the garden. No idea of price or practicalities, but it would look fab!

That would be a conservatory… (and have heat/cold issues).

AgathaLioness · 09/11/2024 22:15

PyreneanAubrie · 09/11/2024 22:00

Lounge is not pretentious, it's the opposite, it sounds like a pub to me... but maybe it depends where you come from. Some of these differences could be regional.

I agree! I hadn't thought about regional variances though

PyreneanAubrie · 09/11/2024 22:00

AgathaLioness · 09/11/2024 21:18

Lounge isn't pretentious at all...

Id go for brick up to half height then windows all round, and some old fashioned timber double doors out onto the garden. No idea of price or practicalities, but it would look fab!

Lounge is not pretentious, it's the opposite, it sounds like a pub to me... but maybe it depends where you come from. Some of these differences could be regional.

PyreneanAubrie · 09/11/2024 21:54

GoodVibesHere · 09/11/2024 21:01

It's still just a conservatory though Grin I mean you'd sound like a right tit saying 'where are my slippers? Oh there they are, in the orangery'.

I agree with you though, lounge does sound a bit pretentious! I've rarely heard anyone say 'sitting room' either. How posh! We just have a bog standard living room.

It's not a conservatory because it is not made of glass so why would I say something is in the conservatory when we don't actually have one?

The dog sleeps in the orangery. If you think that sounds stupid that is your problem, not mine 😁

AgathaLioness · 09/11/2024 21:18

Lounge isn't pretentious at all...

Id go for brick up to half height then windows all round, and some old fashioned timber double doors out onto the garden. No idea of price or practicalities, but it would look fab!

Jc2001 · 09/11/2024 21:10

allaboutsign · 09/11/2024 16:09

a posh name for a conservatory

They're two different things.

GoodVibesHere · 09/11/2024 21:01

PyreneanAubrie · 09/11/2024 17:52

It's not a conservatory if it doesn't have a glass roof and sides. Look it up before passing judgement.
I'd say calling the sitting room "the lounge" is far more ugh than orangery.

What's with all the reverse snobbery on here today 😂

It's still just a conservatory though Grin I mean you'd sound like a right tit saying 'where are my slippers? Oh there they are, in the orangery'.

I agree with you though, lounge does sound a bit pretentious! I've rarely heard anyone say 'sitting room' either. How posh! We just have a bog standard living room.

PyreneanAubrie · 09/11/2024 17:52

GoodVibesHere · 09/11/2024 17:37

Ugh I don't know which is worse, having a room called an 'orangery' or calling a room 'the snug'.

Fine in an old manor house/ stately home etc but in a normal house it really is just a conservatory and spare room trying to be posh.

It's not a conservatory if it doesn't have a glass roof and sides. Look it up before passing judgement.
I'd say calling the sitting room "the lounge" is far more ugh than orangery.

What's with all the reverse snobbery on here today 😂

GoodVibesHere · 09/11/2024 17:37

Ugh I don't know which is worse, having a room called an 'orangery' or calling a room 'the snug'.

Fine in an old manor house/ stately home etc but in a normal house it really is just a conservatory and spare room trying to be posh.

PyreneanAubrie · 09/11/2024 17:31

TherapistInATabard · 09/11/2024 16:56

‘Orangery’ lol

Yes, orangery. What is the lol about?

A conservatory has a glass roof and sides, an orangery doesn't.

LadyRoughDiamond · 09/11/2024 17:21

We have a glazed wall ad partial roof in our kitchen. My advice is that it all depends on the direction it faces and the level of insulation. Orangeries and lantern roofed extensions (another option) can be very hot in summer and cold in winter. You may need to consider window film or built-in blinds to manage this, plus non-electric integrated heating.

ssd · 09/11/2024 17:16

Really nice

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