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To want to just avoid people as much as I can until I die now

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OptimismvsRealism · 09/11/2024 14:03

Sure there are still some great people out there but most are awful stressful thick rude shovey mean argggg

Friends can still come to me but no outside

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OptimismvsRealism · 10/11/2024 17:52

Thepeopleversuswork · 10/11/2024 17:50

@OptimismvsRealism

if you don't think people are hard work you are probably the hard work.

I see what you did there: you’re trying to reverse the arsehole paradigm.

Trouble is it just doesn’t work that way around; finding everyone you meet to be “hard work” is a fast road to pissing everyone you meet off because you are not giving anyone a chance, so why should they extend the same courtesy to you?

I’m sure you know very well that treating people as “hard work” isn’t working for you but choose to doggedly double down on it and of course that’s your right.

But I will ask again, if you genuinely hate people so much, why do you want the approval and support of this from a large random group of hated people? Your story doesn’t stand up.

As you can see in the thread a lot of people agree with me

This space is for us, not you

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pointswinprizes · 10/11/2024 17:50

I don’t find people hard work in general though

Thats good. I do.

Thepeopleversuswork · 10/11/2024 17:50

@OptimismvsRealism

if you don't think people are hard work you are probably the hard work.

I see what you did there: you’re trying to reverse the arsehole paradigm.

Trouble is it just doesn’t work that way around; finding everyone you meet to be “hard work” is a fast road to pissing everyone you meet off because you are not giving anyone a chance, so why should they extend the same courtesy to you?

I’m sure you know very well that treating people as “hard work” isn’t working for you but choose to doggedly double down on it and of course that’s your right.

But I will ask again, if you genuinely hate people so much, why do you want the approval and support of this from a large random group of hated people? Your story doesn’t stand up.

Kentucky83 · 10/11/2024 17:34

Anisty · 09/11/2024 14:45

Really?!!

Is this some sort of joke thread?

I love people. They are fascinating. I love people-watching and i love talking to people. Everyone is interesting.

I'm an old person though. Is this what technology has done?! Or are you all old as well?

This! People can be infuriating at times but they're also fascinating!

Arran2024 · 10/11/2024 17:33

I have had a terrible cold, maybe covid, for 2 weeks now and have barely left the house - and am loving it!

OptimismvsRealism · 10/11/2024 17:28

Thepeopleversuswork · 10/11/2024 17:21

@pointswinprizes

I just find it exasperating when people don’t accept that people in general can be hard work. Try working in retail if don’t believe me, you’ll meet a lot of the “hard work” contingent that way.

I don’t find people hard work in general though.

People in very specific sorts of interactions can be dicks; retail obviously doesn’t bring the best out in people and I work in a customer facing business too and yes sometimes when people are paying you they can behave like dicks because capitalism teaches us that when we are paying for stuff we get to throw our weight around. A lot of my clients can be utterly unreasonable.

But I see that as the nature of the transaction not a reflection on people as a species because I choose not to extrapolate “people in very particular circumstances can be unreasonable” to “people are always hard work”. It’s largely about how you choose to see it.

If you don't think people are hard work you are probably the hard work.

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Thepeopleversuswork · 10/11/2024 17:21

@pointswinprizes

I just find it exasperating when people don’t accept that people in general can be hard work. Try working in retail if don’t believe me, you’ll meet a lot of the “hard work” contingent that way.

I don’t find people hard work in general though.

People in very specific sorts of interactions can be dicks; retail obviously doesn’t bring the best out in people and I work in a customer facing business too and yes sometimes when people are paying you they can behave like dicks because capitalism teaches us that when we are paying for stuff we get to throw our weight around. A lot of my clients can be utterly unreasonable.

But I see that as the nature of the transaction not a reflection on people as a species because I choose not to extrapolate “people in very particular circumstances can be unreasonable” to “people are always hard work”. It’s largely about how you choose to see it.

pointswinprizes · 10/11/2024 17:05

Thepeopleversuswork · 10/11/2024 16:09

@pointswinprizes I’m not, I just responded to your response.

You do seem to have a milder and less paranoid version of the same outlook though.

Yeah but all that stuff about wanting to avoid people until I die and starting threads to seek validation is to do with the OP isn’t it? So not really a response to me.

I just find it exasperating when people don’t accept that people in general can be hard work. Try working in retail if don’t believe me, you’ll meet a lot of the “hard work” contingent that way.

But I’m not saying I hate people just I find it all more trouble than it’s worth now. I do think that’s down to my age though. I was nicer when I was younger.

tothelefttotheleft · 10/11/2024 16:50

drivinmecrazy · 09/11/2024 15:31

Couldn't agree more.

And it was how I largely lived my life until I was recently diagnosed with cancer.
I'm now surrounded by people. I let them in because I thought that's just what you did.
Relying on the larger community.

I was just saying to DD1 this afternoon that I'd kept it just between closest family.

I'm overwhelmed and frankly peeved with all the messages and people reaching out. However well intentioned.

I liked it much better when it was just DH and my two DDs.

Felt much safer.

Now I've let people in I'm just disappointed in them.
They get bored, have had their fill of my illness and go merrily on their way back to their perfect cancer free lives.

Gosh that felt better saying all of that!!! 😂

Same. I would not have told anyone other than family is I'd have known the cold cap would mean I'd keep all my hair.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 10/11/2024 16:41

Anisty · 09/11/2024 14:45

Really?!!

Is this some sort of joke thread?

I love people. They are fascinating. I love people-watching and i love talking to people. Everyone is interesting.

I'm an old person though. Is this what technology has done?! Or are you all old as well?

Me too!

Pusheen467 · 10/11/2024 16:23

JaneFondue · 10/11/2024 16:20

I think you have missed that I am quoting someone else, and also missed my sarcasm. I am not a waiter hater, for want of a better word.

Waiter hater 😂

On a random note, I had a great waiter the other week in Chiquitos. He was Lithuanian and was taking the piss out of me for not being able to decide what to order. I hope he actually got the tip I gave and not management.

JaneFondue · 10/11/2024 16:20

Bodeganights · 10/11/2024 14:44

Wow, can see why you might have come to this thread.

I think you have missed that I am quoting someone else, and also missed my sarcasm. I am not a waiter hater, for want of a better word.

Thepeopleversuswork · 10/11/2024 16:09

@pointswinprizes I’m not, I just responded to your response.

You do seem to have a milder and less paranoid version of the same outlook though.

pointswinprizes · 10/11/2024 15:09

Thepeopleversuswork · 10/11/2024 13:29

Oh yes, that whole if everyone you meet is an arsehole then you’re the arsehole thing.
I never claimed to be the exception that proves the rule smart arse 😂

But self evidently “wanting to avoid people as much as I can until I die” is not going to oil the wheels of social harmony, so why involve other people into this fucked up perspective unless you want a reaction?

I mean be suspicious and isolated if that’s what you want: who is anyone on this thread to stand in your way? You clearly think it suits you.

What I don’t understand is the constant need for validation in this approach. Why do you want people to congratulate you for this? Why the need to start threads about how awful others are?

What do you want from these other people you profess to dislike so much other than to have a pile on on Mumsnet saying: “Ooh yes I hate people too! High five!”

What the OP says is self contradictory. She (I assume she’s a she) claims not to want to have contact with other people or to see any value in them apart from her “curated” few. But her behaviour on here is about seeking validation from the exact people she professes to hate. It makes no sense.

If she were entirely honest about her motives here I suspect this thread would be quite different in tone and people’s responses would be much gentler and more supportive.

Are you guys still confusing me with the OP? 😂

Lentilweaver · 10/11/2024 15:06

Bodeganights · 10/11/2024 14:44

Wow, can see why you might have come to this thread.

Edited to say I think you have misread the pps post but never mind.

Em1ly2023 · 10/11/2024 15:05

RampantIvy · 10/11/2024 14:24

Well said @Anonymouseposter

👏🏻👏🏻

SabreIsMyFave · 10/11/2024 15:00

Thepeopleversuswork · 10/11/2024 13:29

Oh yes, that whole if everyone you meet is an arsehole then you’re the arsehole thing.
I never claimed to be the exception that proves the rule smart arse 😂

But self evidently “wanting to avoid people as much as I can until I die” is not going to oil the wheels of social harmony, so why involve other people into this fucked up perspective unless you want a reaction?

I mean be suspicious and isolated if that’s what you want: who is anyone on this thread to stand in your way? You clearly think it suits you.

What I don’t understand is the constant need for validation in this approach. Why do you want people to congratulate you for this? Why the need to start threads about how awful others are?

What do you want from these other people you profess to dislike so much other than to have a pile on on Mumsnet saying: “Ooh yes I hate people too! High five!”

What the OP says is self contradictory. She (I assume she’s a she) claims not to want to have contact with other people or to see any value in them apart from her “curated” few. But her behaviour on here is about seeking validation from the exact people she professes to hate. It makes no sense.

If she were entirely honest about her motives here I suspect this thread would be quite different in tone and people’s responses would be much gentler and more supportive.

100% this. Well articulated @Thepeopleversuswork 👏

There are quite a number of grumpy, anti-social people who hate people on this thread (and on Mumsnet in general!) I don't think it's representative of people in real life much.

Maybe all the grumpies on this thread can get together and have a good old moan together! 😆

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SabreIsMyFave · 10/11/2024 14:57

PickledPony · 09/11/2024 22:48

I’m sort of in agreement with this. I think it boils down to the fact that we haven’t evolved to interact with 100s of different people. I work in an open plan office and absolutely hate it, all the noise and different faces that you recognise but don’t really know. Over thousands of years humans lived in family groups and saw others in the immediate area. Now we can hop in a car/train/plane and see thousands of new people over a lifetime, travel to work and see hundreds of different people daily, have to interact with strangers daily to get things done in life. The human lifestyle has changed rapidly in a shortish space of time, population has grown dramatically, we just aren’t designed for all this interaction and I’m not surprised that a lot of us don’t cope well with it.

THIS was what my post at 10.18 was responding to!!! (On page 14/the previous page of this thread...) I forgot to quote it. Dumbass me! 😬

Bodeganights · 10/11/2024 14:44

JaneFondue · 10/11/2024 10:13

Even if we managed to wfh, do all shopping online and never ever attend any events, you still get sick and must meet drs, others in the waiting room, get your eyes checked, see the dentist, take your pet to the vets, take your children and/or parents to many appointments, walk your dogs, pay the milkman, see the window cleaner and more.

Yes, it's terrible isn't it, having to interact with all these people who help you run your life, often for minimum wage. The temerity of waiters talking to the OP when she goes to restaurants! How very dare they. Or the bus driver catching her eye when she gets on the bus. He sucks! Or an overworked and underpaid GP with the audacity to have a full waiting room ( Personally, I would cut my arm off to get an in person appointment with my GP).

I am menopausal too. So fucking what.

Wow, can see why you might have come to this thread.

RampantIvy · 10/11/2024 14:24

Well said @Anonymouseposter

Thepeopleversuswork · 10/11/2024 13:29

Oh yes, that whole if everyone you meet is an arsehole then you’re the arsehole thing.
I never claimed to be the exception that proves the rule smart arse 😂

But self evidently “wanting to avoid people as much as I can until I die” is not going to oil the wheels of social harmony, so why involve other people into this fucked up perspective unless you want a reaction?

I mean be suspicious and isolated if that’s what you want: who is anyone on this thread to stand in your way? You clearly think it suits you.

What I don’t understand is the constant need for validation in this approach. Why do you want people to congratulate you for this? Why the need to start threads about how awful others are?

What do you want from these other people you profess to dislike so much other than to have a pile on on Mumsnet saying: “Ooh yes I hate people too! High five!”

What the OP says is self contradictory. She (I assume she’s a she) claims not to want to have contact with other people or to see any value in them apart from her “curated” few. But her behaviour on here is about seeking validation from the exact people she professes to hate. It makes no sense.

If she were entirely honest about her motives here I suspect this thread would be quite different in tone and people’s responses would be much gentler and more supportive.

OptimismvsRealism · 10/11/2024 13:22

bumblingbovine49 · 10/11/2024 12:18

This shows a fundamental misunderstanding about population growth. The birth rates across the world are defintitely decreasing. It is a real problem that many people have not yet grasped.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53409521

Population in can in fact continue to grow for quite a while even if the birth rate is falling .There is no denying that we are in a period of declining birth rate and that will probably result in a world population decline staring around 2080. In fact this post says actually refers to this obliquely as it mentions reaching a peak population in 2080. A peak usually suggests a drop afterwards!

I am sure many of the misanthropes on this thread will be happy about this. A population decline might sound a good idea, and in some ways it may be but there will issues that come with it. Then again I suppose most of us will be long gone by 2080

Yes I am annoyed that I will miss the benefit of this. There are FAR too many people.

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pointswinprizes · 10/11/2024 13:14

OptimismvsRealism · 09/11/2024 18:54

Ps there's no bigger cunt than a cunt who says "mm maybe I'm not the cunt maybe YOU are"

No. I've got lots of friends, close family a nice relationship history. The problem isn't me.

Oh yes, that whole “if everyone you meet is an arsehole then you’re the arsehole” thing.
I never claimed to be the exception that proves the rule smart arse 😂

RampantIvy · 10/11/2024 12:43

A population decline might sound a good idea, and in some ways it may be

The planet is screwed if the population continues to grow.

bumblingbovine49 · 10/11/2024 12:18

RampantIvy · 10/11/2024 10:23

And birth rates are declining across the world anyway.

That is incorrect @Lentilweaver

The global population reached nearly 8.2 billion by mid-2024 and is expected to grow by another two billion over the next 60 years, peaking at around 10.3 billion in the mid-2080s.

From the United Nations website.

You might like to read this thread, which is similar to many on mumsnet:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5205361-just-curious-whats-the-common-age-for-4th-baby?page=2&reply=139700093

Or all the threads which start with I want a third/fourth/fifth/+ baby

This shows a fundamental misunderstanding about population growth. The birth rates across the world are defintitely decreasing. It is a real problem that many people have not yet grasped.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53409521

Population in can in fact continue to grow for quite a while even if the birth rate is falling .There is no denying that we are in a period of declining birth rate and that will probably result in a world population decline staring around 2080. In fact this post says actually refers to this obliquely as it mentions reaching a peak population in 2080. A peak usually suggests a drop afterwards!

I am sure many of the misanthropes on this thread will be happy about this. A population decline might sound a good idea, and in some ways it may be but there will issues that come with it. Then again I suppose most of us will be long gone by 2080

Newborn

Fertility rate: 'Jaw-dropping' global crash in children being born

Nearly every country will see their populations fall as the world has fewer babies.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53409521