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To want to just avoid people as much as I can until I die now

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OptimismvsRealism · 09/11/2024 14:03

Sure there are still some great people out there but most are awful stressful thick rude shovey mean argggg

Friends can still come to me but no outside

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Anonymouseposter · 10/11/2024 11:43

Society has changed a lot since the technological revolution.
I'm retired now and basically if I don't want to see anyone I don't have to.
I can buy anything online at the click of a mouse.
I do an online keep fit class.
If I'm bored I can come on a site like MN (which is a form on interaction as people have pointed out and strange that someone who hates people would want to chat here).
I don't hate people but I can be lazy. I do try to fight against that because I feel that the level of disconnection in society is bad for us as a society and individually.
I do think all the hatred, isms and rudeness that is increasing is linked to this disconnection and to living life online.
Regarding human nature, there seem to be a group of people who genuinely want other people to be happy and care. They will bend over backwards.
In the middle are lazy people like me, who would help in a genuine emergency, smile and be polite and not actively hurt anyone but can be apathetic.
People are complex, they can be kindness itself or a bit selfish and snippy if they're under pressure, having a hard time or you press the wrong button.
Then there a small group of people who don't give a fuck about anyone else, plot to get their own way and are rude and bullying, sometimes to a criminal degree. I think it's a sweeping generalisation to say everyone is horrible and self seeking.
From OP's snippy responses it's tempting to say that there's a degree of projection going on but she does sound depressed and angry. (Calling people boring and Normative won't elicit a warm response).
We have all sometimes been let down or badly treated and when there's conflict around it seems easier to withdraw but ultimately it feels more satisfying to try to be a positive influence, even if our personal sphere is quite small, to strive to leave things better than you found them.
Two quotations spring to mind. "It's better to light a candle than to curse the dark" and "After all the love you take is equal to the love you make".

Lentilweaver · 10/11/2024 11:41

Not you @pointswinprizes the OP! She is very angry at having to face the most ordinary interactions.

pointswinprizes · 10/11/2024 11:36

Lentilweaver · 10/11/2024 10:47

Like a pp I just dont understand the rage at having to interact with people who are trying to help you. Waiters for instance. Just order a burger at home.

Well they’re doing their jobs if that’s what you mean by being helpful. But I can’t say dealing with them gives me the rage, not sure where you got that from.

pointswinprizes · 10/11/2024 11:33

Thepeopleversuswork · 10/11/2024 10:47

@pointswinprizes

I also think you have to be wary of arguing that not being a social +++ is abnormal

I don’t think anyone is saying not being a naturally social person is abnormal. People have always varied in their need for social contact and that’s fine.

What is abnormal (and in my view unhealthy) is perceiving everyone outside your immediate family or circle as dangerous, threatening or a negative influence, fearing routine social interactions and wanting to celebrate your perspective on the world.

I don’t know that I think anything that dramatic. I’m just fed up with the way a lot of people choose to behave.

Anisty · 10/11/2024 11:29

Ps when i was younger (teens and up to mid 20s) i worked in shops and i STILL loved people. I have always loved talking to different people.

Yes, you do meet awkward ones in customer facing roles but it is so satisfying when you win them over. I just seemed to have an ability to get on with everyone. That was commented on when i sold shoes in a shoe shop.

I also did lots of supermarket checkout work (pre bar code) and i was fast and efficient with a great memory for remembering prices where labels had fallen off!!

TheTidyBear · 10/11/2024 11:28

OptimismvsRealism · 10/11/2024 11:20

Nothing I've described is inaccurate is it? You might not mind it (I tend to find people who don't are also much less sensitive about their impact on others so maybe a bit of a cycle of unpleasantness - I think you might be bordering on a different species from me if we analysed our DNA).

Oh yes you're entirely right. So do the easy thing and cocoon yourself from it and barrel towards death instead of growing as a person and learning how to tolerate others in order to help and inspire others to be better.

You don't have to do anything difficult. you can stay indoors, eat junk food, drink a lot, don't workout your body, be unsocial. It's your life.

Thepeopleversuswork · 10/11/2024 11:25

@OptimismvsRealism

Nothing I have described is inaccurate is it?

In the main it’s not really a question of accuracy. Your perspective is entirely subjective. You have a very negative view of humanity, as is your right. I don’t.

But to quote a couple of the more colourful things you have said on here: you have said all people smell (I paraphrase but that was the gist), and you have just said I have different DNA from you. Those are both demonstrably inaccurate.

Anisty · 10/11/2024 11:24

Butchyrestingface · 10/11/2024 10:55

How old is old? If you're retired, for example, you wouldn't be working in a customer facing role having to deal with members of the public for 40+ hours a week, which is probably at least partially responsible for homicidal misanthropic feelings in some posters.

I was thinking over 40. Anyone under 40 is young to me as my kids are late 20s and 30s.

They don't like people but they are all ND (properly diagnosed)

I love people. I suppose i'm thinking is this a younger generation thing because of all the stuff in the shops like "it's all too peoply outside" and similar which are obviously aimed at the 30s and under (i think?)

Though - having said that - i will talk to anyone and have spoken to many young and chatty folks. So - maybe it is just who you are.

There are plenty cross patch, draw the latch folks over 40/60/80 too!

TheTidyBear · 10/11/2024 11:24

Thepeopleversuswork · 10/11/2024 11:12

@DriedHydrangeas

Or just admit ‘I am a misanthrope’, or ‘I am someone who lacks the social skills to relate easily to other people’ (though these are possible to learn) or ‘Circumstances have meant that I’m struggling to be around peiole at the moment

Exactly. It’s fine to admit you feel disjointed from society. That you are struggling or depressed or just don’t like big groups of people. No one has an issue with this and generally people are sympathetic and supportive.

But stop pretending it somehow makes you a) morally or intellectually superior or b) that it’s other people who are the problem.

We live in communities. Families, towns, schools, workplaces, countries, continents. People, to some extent, rely on others to survive and thrive. It’s palpably ridiculous to pretend otherwise.

Its completely reasonable to limit the degree of exposure you have to that community. Everyone should be free to live in a way that brings out the best in them.

What you can’t do is tell people who do function well in a community that they are delusional or wrong or bad people.

Exactly this, we all have to deal with annoyances with others, it's part of life.

But there's a difference between admitting you find it too much sometimes, and inflicting your own suffering on everyone else.

I have gotten to a point where I am able see others failings for what they are and not take them onboard. I realise that seeing someone who is being an ahole is much like seeing someone with a physical disability, someone that is overweight etc. It's just something you tolerate in order to get on with life.

OptimismvsRealism · 10/11/2024 11:20

Thepeopleversuswork · 10/11/2024 11:12

@DriedHydrangeas

Or just admit ‘I am a misanthrope’, or ‘I am someone who lacks the social skills to relate easily to other people’ (though these are possible to learn) or ‘Circumstances have meant that I’m struggling to be around peiole at the moment

Exactly. It’s fine to admit you feel disjointed from society. That you are struggling or depressed or just don’t like big groups of people. No one has an issue with this and generally people are sympathetic and supportive.

But stop pretending it somehow makes you a) morally or intellectually superior or b) that it’s other people who are the problem.

We live in communities. Families, towns, schools, workplaces, countries, continents. People, to some extent, rely on others to survive and thrive. It’s palpably ridiculous to pretend otherwise.

Its completely reasonable to limit the degree of exposure you have to that community. Everyone should be free to live in a way that brings out the best in them.

What you can’t do is tell people who do function well in a community that they are delusional or wrong or bad people.

Nothing I've described is inaccurate is it? You might not mind it (I tend to find people who don't are also much less sensitive about their impact on others so maybe a bit of a cycle of unpleasantness - I think you might be bordering on a different species from me if we analysed our DNA).

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Thepeopleversuswork · 10/11/2024 11:12

@DriedHydrangeas

Or just admit ‘I am a misanthrope’, or ‘I am someone who lacks the social skills to relate easily to other people’ (though these are possible to learn) or ‘Circumstances have meant that I’m struggling to be around peiole at the moment

Exactly. It’s fine to admit you feel disjointed from society. That you are struggling or depressed or just don’t like big groups of people. No one has an issue with this and generally people are sympathetic and supportive.

But stop pretending it somehow makes you a) morally or intellectually superior or b) that it’s other people who are the problem.

We live in communities. Families, towns, schools, workplaces, countries, continents. People, to some extent, rely on others to survive and thrive. It’s palpably ridiculous to pretend otherwise.

Its completely reasonable to limit the degree of exposure you have to that community. Everyone should be free to live in a way that brings out the best in them.

What you can’t do is tell people who do function well in a community that they are delusional or wrong or bad people.

Lavenderfarmcottage · 10/11/2024 11:09

Pusheen467 · 10/11/2024 10:13

Tbf OP did say most people are boring and horrible.

I'm generally very introverted and intolerant so I get it but OP has been quite rude to and about people.

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I know OP said a large group of humans are horrible. This is her view though and how she feels. It might mean she finds the values of people or the beliefs to not align with her own. That’s her view and she’s entitled to it. She’s not being offensive in anyway unless you are certain you’ve met her and been cast into that category. At worst op is a bit jaded by life but there could be good reason. Plenty of research to show there’s stigma and racism and bigotry in the community and people care about others less. I think it’s wrong to assume that because someone doesn’t have rose coloured glasses on they’re mean. At worst she might be a bit depressed and then again, that doesn’t make her wrong for holding that view. It could really be the case she’s had negative experiences.

Dontlletmedownbruce · 10/11/2024 11:03

I actually wish I wasn't so intolerant because it would make my life easier. I don't hate most people on an individual level but I really struggle with crowds and noise.

@Pusheen467 that is very understandable and i think many people relate. There is a valid point in this thread somewhere and if the OP had been reasonable as you seem to be rather than sneery and nasty, she would have gotten much more support.

I personally love meeting new people and can small talk all day if needs be, i enjoy daily interactions but i get panicky in large crowded areas like train stations etc and find restaurants can be very noisy. I love a night out or a party and can dance all night but I crave alone time and get very stressed when I'm with someone 24/7, like a girls weekend away for example. People can't understand that these are different things. It's presumed if you fit into someone's category as 'sociable' then you enjoy all elements of socialising. We all have our quirks and preferences, we are all complex in our unique ways.

DriedHydrangeas · 10/11/2024 10:59

Thepeopleversuswork · 10/11/2024 09:21

This “hate people” posturing has become very tiresome and old hat. You have had your post COVID moment in the sun: can we all stop talking about it now? It’s not big or clever.

What do you actually do to enhance your life or the life of people around you? Do you do anything of value to society or do you just sit around telling strangers on the internet how much you hate people because you think it makes you sound edgy?

You all epitomise the maxim that if everyone seems like the arsehole it’s almost certainly you that’s the arsehole. Sorry but it’s true.

There have been misfits and oddballs for years and that’s absolutely fine. I am fine with that. What I can’t bear is the weaponisation of the resentment of the more socially gifted people to turn them into the enemy which is based on envy and resentment.

And it’s so boring. No one is interested in the fact you “hate people”. You are not significant enough for anyone to care and your perspective is an unbelievable cliche.

And no one buys it either, we can see through it. If you really hated people you wouldn’t spend hours on the internet showing off to other misanthropic losers.

Can you all just start a community somewhere for people haters and let the rest of us crack on with our lives?

All of this. Or just admit ‘I am a misanthrope’, or ‘I am someone who lacks the social skills to relate easily to other people’ (though these are possible to learn) or ‘Circumstances have meant that I’m struggling to be around peiole at the moment’.

It’s also perfectly possible to see very few people by choice, and not sit about making vast declarations about how literally everyone else in the world is dreadful. I saw a documentary last night about the founder of a Buddhist centre who’d lived essentially as a hermit for many years on its grounds, and he clearly adored people and saw the good in everyone, although he chose to live alone.

Pusheen467 · 10/11/2024 10:56

OptimismvsRealism · 10/11/2024 10:46

Yes it is terrible. The random people who will jog into you and push you off the pavement as a bus hurtles by (my worst of these, the guy shrieked in my face to get me to leap out of his way). The GP receptionist taking discernible delight in refusing you access to treatment for a painful condition. The neighbour who leaves notes on cars in the street (YOU ARE PARKED INCONSIDERATELY in psycho cursive). The waiter who meets your eyes as you try to gesture for the bill, smirks and walks away. The guy on the bus who doesn't take his coat or backpack off and wedges you painfully into the window as five teenagers listen to five different Spotify lists without headphones. Cough cough cough slamming the window shut all the better to ensure we must sit and stew in lung butter for the length of a commute. Deliveroo drivers racing on electric bikes across pavements and through green men. Dog walkers leaving their pets' shit strewn up the pavement in various states of decay.

I just can't wait not to be part of this arseholefest any longer.

Yes teenagers are extremely annoying and I can't bear the blaring phones either. Public transport is awful. People slamming windows shut though - you can't really shut bus windows without slamming them and if you're sat behind them you get freezing cold wind in your face. And how many people are actually smelly? I can think of a handful of times I've been around smelly people but most people smell fine.

And as for the other examples - what percentage of people is this realistically? How many waiters have actually ignored you? I went through a rage filled "everyone is a cunt" phase that kept getting worse and my Dad asked me "Realistically what percentage of people you meet are rude and aggressive?" and I realised he was right - it's a small number of people but we naturally fixate on the negative.

Butchyrestingface · 10/11/2024 10:55

Anisty · 09/11/2024 14:45

Really?!!

Is this some sort of joke thread?

I love people. They are fascinating. I love people-watching and i love talking to people. Everyone is interesting.

I'm an old person though. Is this what technology has done?! Or are you all old as well?

How old is old? If you're retired, for example, you wouldn't be working in a customer facing role having to deal with members of the public for 40+ hours a week, which is probably at least partially responsible for homicidal misanthropic feelings in some posters.

Lentilweaver · 10/11/2024 10:51

Yeah, with your latest update, I continue to repeat that you are deeply depressed. I know because I have been depressed myself. But as you angrily insist that you are not, I guess this thread has run its course.

I dont know what you mean about not wanting to be part of this arseholefest any more but doesn't sound good.

DoraGray · 10/11/2024 10:49

OptimismvsRealism · 09/11/2024 20:21

The human body stinks, hbd. Food, cigarettes, the shit of your dog. Stink.

Maybe your nose is too close to your arse.

I think you're what used to be called an oddball. Nothing deeper or more thought provoking than that.

OptimismvsRealism · 10/11/2024 10:47

GP waiting rooms are never full any more btw. Not many people know this as it's so hard to get a face to face appointment.

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Thepeopleversuswork · 10/11/2024 10:47

@pointswinprizes

I also think you have to be wary of arguing that not being a social +++ is abnormal

I don’t think anyone is saying not being a naturally social person is abnormal. People have always varied in their need for social contact and that’s fine.

What is abnormal (and in my view unhealthy) is perceiving everyone outside your immediate family or circle as dangerous, threatening or a negative influence, fearing routine social interactions and wanting to celebrate your perspective on the world.

Lentilweaver · 10/11/2024 10:47

pointswinprizes · 10/11/2024 10:44

Well maybe that’s a good thing?
Just to be clear I’m not arguing the case for complete isolation here. Family and friends are still needed.

Like a pp I just dont understand the rage at having to interact with people who are trying to help you. Waiters for instance. Just order a burger at home.

OptimismvsRealism · 10/11/2024 10:46

JaneFondue · 10/11/2024 10:13

Even if we managed to wfh, do all shopping online and never ever attend any events, you still get sick and must meet drs, others in the waiting room, get your eyes checked, see the dentist, take your pet to the vets, take your children and/or parents to many appointments, walk your dogs, pay the milkman, see the window cleaner and more.

Yes, it's terrible isn't it, having to interact with all these people who help you run your life, often for minimum wage. The temerity of waiters talking to the OP when she goes to restaurants! How very dare they. Or the bus driver catching her eye when she gets on the bus. He sucks! Or an overworked and underpaid GP with the audacity to have a full waiting room ( Personally, I would cut my arm off to get an in person appointment with my GP).

I am menopausal too. So fucking what.

Yes it is terrible. The random people who will jog into you and push you off the pavement as a bus hurtles by (my worst of these, the guy shrieked in my face to get me to leap out of his way). The GP receptionist taking discernible delight in refusing you access to treatment for a painful condition. The neighbour who leaves notes on cars in the street (YOU ARE PARKED INCONSIDERATELY in psycho cursive). The waiter who meets your eyes as you try to gesture for the bill, smirks and walks away. The guy on the bus who doesn't take his coat or backpack off and wedges you painfully into the window as five teenagers listen to five different Spotify lists without headphones. Cough cough cough slamming the window shut all the better to ensure we must sit and stew in lung butter for the length of a commute. Deliveroo drivers racing on electric bikes across pavements and through green men. Dog walkers leaving their pets' shit strewn up the pavement in various states of decay.

I just can't wait not to be part of this arseholefest any longer.

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pointswinprizes · 10/11/2024 10:44

Lentilweaver · 10/11/2024 10:42

It's easier than ever before to not interwct with hundreds of people. OP would not have got her 100% WFH home job even a few years ago

Well maybe that’s a good thing?
Just to be clear I’m not arguing the case for complete isolation here. Family and friends are still needed.

Lentilweaver · 10/11/2024 10:42

pointswinprizes · 10/11/2024 10:40

I hear you. I’m blaming the perimenopause but to be honest I think I’m getting fed up with people in general.

I also think you have to be wary of arguing that not being social +++ is abnormal.
Humans may be social creatures, who are meant to live in groups, but we aren’t actually meant to have to interact with hundreds of people we don’t really know. Just the other people in the tribe.

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It's easier than ever before to not interwct with hundreds of people. OP would not have got her 100% WFH home job even a few years ago

pointswinprizes · 10/11/2024 10:40

I hear you. I’m blaming the perimenopause but to be honest I think I’m getting fed up with people in general.

I also think you have to be wary of arguing that not being social +++ is abnormal.
Humans may be social creatures, who are meant to live in groups, but we aren’t actually meant to have to interact with hundreds of people we don’t really know. Just the other people in the tribe.