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To think that people should be a bit more sensitive when announcing pregnancy

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SophieRules · 09/11/2024 08:42

My ‘friend’ knows that I had a miscarriage recently but rang me out of the blue on video call and showed me an image of her 12 week scan to announce her pregnancy. I would have preferred a message. I am of course delighted for her but I think if someone has recently experienced baby loss it feels insensitive to be showing them picture of scans and to tell the face to face out of the blue. Please if you are in this situation and you know someone is struggling send them a message so they have a bit of privacy when reacting.

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Allswellthatendswelll · 10/11/2024 20:41

Hippoh · 10/11/2024 20:33

I must have missed the part where her friend vidio messaged her on the day she lost her baby and was showing off about her pregnancy. :/
She should be happy for her friend and people shouldnt have to be worried about sharing happy news about thie family/friends.

Yes her friend video messaged her with a scan knowing she had recently had a miscarriage. She is happy for her friend but she, rightly, felt it was insensitive.

Allswellthatendswelll · 10/11/2024 20:37

BeeDavis · 10/11/2024 20:28

This!! You can’t expect someone to tone down their excitement because what happens if you do eventually fall pregnant, are you going to do the same or shout it from the rooftops? My guess would be the latter.

You can be as excited as you want apart from to the small proportion of friends who you know it will affect. It's not about tempering your excitement for the whole world. I'm sure the friend had loads of other people she could have rung!

I don't agree with you about how OP will act at all as think most people who've had a loss know how to be sensitive when needed.

Hippoh · 10/11/2024 20:33

Allswellthatendswelll · 10/11/2024 20:17

OK some of the analogies on this thread are bonkers.

I have a friend who very sadly lost her mother last year. It's not like I never mention my mum but I don't call her on mother's day showing off about what I did. That's the correct analogy.

Also OP is happy for her friend!

Edited

I must have missed the part where her friend vidio messaged her on the day she lost her baby and was showing off about her pregnancy. :/
She should be happy for her friend and people shouldnt have to be worried about sharing happy news about thie family/friends.

BeeDavis · 10/11/2024 20:28

LaLaLaurie · 09/11/2024 09:20

It is a little sensitive but I don’t believe others should have to hide their own joy and excitement.

This!! You can’t expect someone to tone down their excitement because what happens if you do eventually fall pregnant, are you going to do the same or shout it from the rooftops? My guess would be the latter.

eastegg · 10/11/2024 20:23

Edingril · 09/11/2024 08:49

Nobody will ever get it right it would be hard to keep up with everyone's pregnancy and who is ttc had an abortion, still born child, miscarriages etc.

How on earth can someone keep everyone happy?

Eh? Hard to ‘keep up’ with the fact that a supposed friend has recently had a miscarriage?

I don’t know whether you meant it this way, but your comment comes across as thinking that these things are quite trivial, even though you’ve included stillbirth in there which is particularly jarring.

Allswellthatendswelll · 10/11/2024 20:17

Hippoh · 10/11/2024 20:07

Different take - my parents are dead. I dont begruge my friends celebrating mums/dads day. Just be happy for your friend and of what you have that others dont.

Edited

OK some of the analogies on this thread are bonkers.

I have a friend who very sadly lost her mother last year. It's not like I never mention my mum but I don't call her on mother's day showing off about what I did. That's the correct analogy.

Also OP is happy for her friend!

Hippoh · 10/11/2024 20:07

Different take - my parents are dead. I dont begruge my friends celebrating mums/dads day. Just be happy for your friend and of what you have that others dont.

ScaryM0nster · 10/11/2024 19:47

SophieRules · 09/11/2024 13:28

Thanks for all the responses, definitely makes me feel like I’m not being unreasonable. A message definitely would have been more appropriate. I’m not going to dwell on it, I know she didn’t mean any harm but I just wish people would be more thoughtful.

Key bit here for you you’d have preferred a message.

Others in your position may have preferred never to have been told, been told before others so they hear direct, to be told face to face in person so can get physical contact, or be told over the phone as a message is impersonal.

Have a think through all your friends. Are you dead confident you know what topics could be difficult for each of them, and what the least bad way would be for you to share news relating to that topic with them? Probably not.

So cut your friend some slack. They almost certainly put some thought into it and tried to get it right. They didn’t, but they tried. People aren’t mind readers.

The position you’re in sucks. But getting angry at friends won’t make it any better.

Jack80 · 10/11/2024 19:47

If she is normally sensitive, I would put it down to her being excited and forgetful

catlover123456789 · 10/11/2024 19:05

I think a message would have been more appropriate. I am sure she was excited but it is insensitive to spring that on you.

Tandora · 10/11/2024 03:22

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 09/11/2024 17:13

I'm not clear where in this scenario anyone was surprised at someone not being elated.

Most people don't relive being told anyone has died at a time when it's not remotely relevant.

Most people don't relive being told anyone has died at a time when it's not remotely relevant.

have you ever had a missed miscarriage? I relived that moment over and over again, and other people’s pregnancy announcements and scan pics were definitely triggering.

Lucy25 · 09/11/2024 17:33

But then why assume someone is being resentful or not happy for their friend, that’s the point surely, we all deal with grief in different ways.

JustinThyme · 09/11/2024 17:27

Sure, @Lucy25 - I was replying to @KnittingKnewbie to say that, having experienced multiple miscarriages myself, I didn’t need treating differently. Not everyone who miscarries needs the same thing.

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 09/11/2024 17:13

SapphireOpal · 09/11/2024 15:48

But you're not going to randomly video call a recently divorced or widowed family member with your wedding photo in hand going "GREAT NEWS, I'm married! Being married is SO EXCITING", are you?''

I've family members with scan and baby photos up in their houses - that's fine. What's not fine is showing it to someone who's had a recent pregnancy loss in a one to one conversation, and then being surprised when instead of immediately being elated for you they go a bit quiet because they're reliving the scan where they were told their baby had died and trying not to cry.

I'm not clear where in this scenario anyone was surprised at someone not being elated.

Most people don't relive being told anyone has died at a time when it's not remotely relevant.

Lucy25 · 09/11/2024 15:52

Its not about resentment @JustinThyme or not being happy for a friend.It’s about being aware someone is coming to terms with their own loss.
Agree @SapphireOpal seeing a scan photo, out of the blue, could be triggering to someone who’s grieving.Personally l would only show the scan photo if my friend wanted to see it.

SapphireOpal · 09/11/2024 15:48

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 09/11/2024 12:50

But you wouldn't remove wedding photos you want to display for their benefit either.

Most people have had a bereavement of some kind. We don't hide evidence of friends and family who are alive and well to compensate.

But you're not going to randomly video call a recently divorced or widowed family member with your wedding photo in hand going "GREAT NEWS, I'm married! Being married is SO EXCITING", are you?''

I've family members with scan and baby photos up in their houses - that's fine. What's not fine is showing it to someone who's had a recent pregnancy loss in a one to one conversation, and then being surprised when instead of immediately being elated for you they go a bit quiet because they're reliving the scan where they were told their baby had died and trying not to cry.

user1471516498 · 09/11/2024 15:44

BarbaraHoward · 09/11/2024 10:25

I think it's pretty normal to tell people you're pregnant, as you say it's visible!

I agree about not telling before the first scan, but that's personal preference.

Despite it being my preference, I've announced early twice. The first time was during my appraisal as it felt dishonest to discuss work planning and I knew my boss would be lovely as he'd been very supportive when I had my first. I miscarried a few weeks later and again he was lovely and I was glad I'd told him.

The second was a few months later, when I was 11 weeks on Christmas Day and spending it with a relative who'd tried and failed to have a baby with his wife. I knew if I didn't say anything he'd guess very quickly (I really like wine Blush) and I didn't want to put him on the spot, especially since a couple of years previously they had both been "sick" over Christmas when there was lots of baby news. So I told the extended family a week before Christmas after a private scan, and said we were only telling them because we knew they'd guess, but it was very early so we didn't want to talk about it.

On reflection, I think that superstition was a large part of why I didn't tell anyone. I wasn't exactly thinking rationally.

SapphireOpal · 09/11/2024 15:36

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 09/11/2024 12:43

How are you both obviously delighted for her if you need privacy when reacting?

It's fine to struggle with it, for any reason, but if you're actually happy with that idea she's having a baby on her behalf, sharing an image that shows it isn't disrespectful of her.

Tell me you've never had to sit through a scan where you've been told your baby's stopped developing without telling me...

You can be happy that your mate is having a baby, but also 1) it can be quite upsetting because it's a reminder of what you don't have and don't seem to be able to have - so you need a bit of time to process your feelings before you can get to the point where you're genuinely happy for them, and 2) other people's scan photos of their lovely healthy babies can be really quite triggering when you've been in that situation tbh.

Biffbaff · 09/11/2024 15:36

CrazyCatLady008 · 09/11/2024 08:48

I lost triplets at 20 weeks, the day of their funeral my cousin (who knew as my aunt told her) rang me and announced she was pregnant and then proceeded to post it on Facebook. Angry

People just don't get it.

My god, I am so sorry.

JustinThyme · 09/11/2024 15:15

KnittingKnewbie · 09/11/2024 09:07

You don't have to answer, but the fact that you don't mind, is it based on you never having had issues with pregnancy?
Or have you had issues with pregnancy and you still don't mind?

I didn’t write the post you’re answering, but I did experience miscarriages.

And no, I didn’t expect my friends to treat me any differently about their pregnancies, didn’t resent them or want the news handling ‘sensitively’. I was also excited for them and liked seeing all their updates.

20-25% of pregnancies result in miscarriage. My stats are rather higher. But that’s how it goes.

Other people’s good news makes me happier, not more upset. If I couldn’t have a baby at a particular time, I was glad someone I care about could.

(I also had a recipient for my baby socks buying habit until I had a successful pregnancy myself.)

IlooklikeNigella · 09/11/2024 14:47

I think your friend was really insensitive.

My friend very sadly never got a pregnancy to full term and it was very painful for her to see (as she described it) babies just popping out all over the place during the years when they were starting to lose hope. She had one small group of old school friends and they had an agreement that they always shared their news by sending a card so she had a chance to come to terms with it.

When I decided to try for a baby I asked her how she would like to tell me the news if I was successful. She said she'd prefer I told her face to face as she saw me most days and it would be weird to be second guessing. So I did it that way. I was dreading it but she was great, really seemed thrilled for me (I was older and had been through a traumatic experience). I did notice when I started to show and there was more pregnancy talk - acquaintances coming over to congratulate me and share stories - she backed away and avoided me. I was sad but I understood.

It's a horrendous thing to go through and I am very sorry for your loss OP.

KimberleyClark · 09/11/2024 14:19

How are you both obviously delighted for her if you need privacy when reacting?

You can be happy for someone and sad for yourself at the same time.

BabyMama889 · 09/11/2024 14:13

Not everyone is the same. Personally, I had a miscarriage before I conceived DS and several friends had babies in the meantime. If people had treated me differently, I would have been offended. It would have been a reminder of the miscarriage when I just wanted to move on and be happy for my friends.

Also, people get carried away when they're pregnant. DH wanted to keep it to ourselves until the scan but ended up telling pretty much everyone by 9-10 weeks as we were SO over the moon.

So cut them some slack. They're not horrible people.

Pinkpaperclip · 09/11/2024 13:34

SophieRules · 09/11/2024 13:28

Thanks for all the responses, definitely makes me feel like I’m not being unreasonable. A message definitely would have been more appropriate. I’m not going to dwell on it, I know she didn’t mean any harm but I just wish people would be more thoughtful.

Your friend was insensitive but if you are close and you do not want to bring it up, then let it slide. But just make sure you put boundaries up if you need to. This might just be a one off and she might be more sensitive for the rest of the pregnancy. If she’s not, it’s ok to distance yourself or tell her to stop going on about her pregnancy to you.

SophieRules · 09/11/2024 13:28

Thanks for all the responses, definitely makes me feel like I’m not being unreasonable. A message definitely would have been more appropriate. I’m not going to dwell on it, I know she didn’t mean any harm but I just wish people would be more thoughtful.

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