Another XL Bully Attack

Oh ffs yes I get it I’ve been told many times on this thread they don’t ’lock their jaws’ whoopy do I got the ‘terminology’ wrong! Still makes them killer dogs in my eyes that won’t let go of their victim! That’s my point. And yes other breeds of dogs have been known to kill. This thread is specifically about bullys though so I’m talking about bullys.

@EasternStandard my post wasn't aimed specifically to you. A ratting terrier could choose not to drop a rat and no one would claim that they have lock jaw. Both share the same shake to kill characteristic.

I think if you're so passionate about this, at least be factually correct.

I don't work with XLs because they have poor drive, they don't care about working for their handler. Their strength makes them difficult to handle, and unsound temperament is in their genetics. I train security dogs, so am well aware of what a dog attack looks like.

If licensed dog handlers won't work with XLs I'm perplexed that anyone would have one in a family home.

My Ds nearly got attacked like this by a lockdown labrador. When big dogs turn nasty, it's incredibly difficult to cope with, because as soon as any one moves the dog is likely to move too and strike. It's the most awful situation to get into .

I wish there were more controls on dogs generally. In the parks at the moment it's pretty dire tbh.

I'm not sure a licence would stop the breed doing what it will?

We need to totally rethink dog ownership in this country. Dogs should require a compulsory licence with a seize and destroy notice if a licence is not obtained within 7 days. No one has a right to dog ownership. The licence fee would fund the necessary wardens etc.

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@Mumofnarnia the lock jaw thing is irrelevant anyway if you have a dog that never attacks. Which most never do, thank god. Obviously you can't ever be 100% certain if any dog will attack. But that goes for any 'big' dog. I'm not sure why you're targeting bull breeds specifically.

I'm not arguing with you and I certainly don't care one bit about changing your views. My entire point was to highlight the fact that it's stupid to compare all bull breeds against an XL bully which is in a league of its own due to reasons I've listed several times.

Does it really matter?

The mauling they can undertake is seen weekly

I never said it was. This thread is specifically about bullys hence why I’m talking about bullys

I wouldn’t take my chances on my child being around a breed of dog that if it just happened to flip, whether that be the child’s fault or not would have the ability to lock their jaws and not let go! that will include all terriers then because terriers exhibit the same bite pattern. Its not a specific trait only of bull breed dogs

Maybe not but I’m trying to get my point across! At the end of the day they don’t let go once they held their grip! Anything else??

There is no such thing as 'lock jaw' . Their anatomy is not unique and no breed has a jaw that functions as a locking mechanism. All they have is muscle and a very stubborn personality.

My 30kg malinois can dangle her entire body weight with a good grip. Zero locking needed.

Being so foully and personally rude about the victim of a dog attack and their family is not going to help you in any way shape or form make your point.

And? So what? Anything else to contribute or is that it?

I'm not having an argument. Around the tenth time you mentioned it, I thought I'd stop sitting on my hands, that's all.

Do you have a bull breed?

Anything else?? Or is that your only argument

Please do stop with the 'lock their jaws' bit. They don't lock. They aren't crocodiles.

They do have strong jaw muscles.

Oh ffs I’m talking about Staffys and XL bullies! I also would not let my child near the breeds you have stated either! But that’s an argument for another thread!

You’re missing my point entirely but I’m sure that because you have ‘30 years experience’ of ‘positivity’ around them then you’ll obviously be biased! It’s how they react if/when they flip that matters. Either way I wouldn’t take my chances on my child being around a breed of dog that if it just happened to flip, whether that be the child’s fault or not would have the ability to lock their jaws and not let go! And that’s my point. I honestly don’t know why you keep arguing with me! You made your point - hasn’t changed my view one bit and it never will. I will not allow my child around a dangerous dog breed who’s killer instinct is to lock its jaws around its victim

@Mumofnarnia you keep ranting on about "jaw lock" what do you make of breeds like German Shepherds, Rottweilers, Dobermans and other big powerful breeds that bite and tear flesh away?
You're hysterical about bull breeds yet all dogs are capable of killing a person.
A big/giant breed is capable of killing a lot quicker than a bully so why so much hatred and vitriol towards someone who owns bulldogs and actually knows what they're talking about? Your way of thinking is dangerous it's not just bully breeds that snap or cause damage.

@Mumofnarnia at what point have I said 'owner not dog' - I hate that phrase and it clearly doesn't apply to XL bullies because those fuckers are attacking their owners anyway.

But temperament is valid. Because when you combine size and strength with messed up genetics and a temperament that can and does flip so regularly, you are asking for trouble.

You may have seen a staffy flip. That's anecdotal. Equally I could say I've never seen any of my English bull terriers flip, not once in 30+ years. XL bullies are doing it over and over again and nothing is being done to stop it. If staffies or any other breed did it on the same level and caused as much destruction you'd like to think there would be sanctions against them too. But there aren't and there's a reason for that.

Everyone on this thread agrees that XL bullies are vile so your personal prejudice against other bull breeds is neither here nor there.

Before all of the coverage over the last couple of years, I'm ashamed to say I was in the whole "its how you bring a dog up camp" I am not now and I seriously believe there is something wrong with this breed and I do think they should be culled. The steps taken by the ban are not enough and they are too unpredictable

One escaped close to us last weekend. It slipped out of its owners hand during fireworks and was lost all night " without a muzzle as this also fell off as it panicked" (not sure I believe that) Fortunately it was found, and no harm done. Owner has been talking on social media about what a soft and lovely dog is (and on pictures,it appears sweet and docile) but I'm glad its not on my immediate estate as my kids play out and I wouldnt want them to potentially come across it

Its a shame as these are clearly loved family pets but I think they are all a potential accident waiting to happen and if yours doesnt turn, you are fortunate but its a risk