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Another XL Bully Attack

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PiggyPigalle · 08/11/2024 15:12

Vicious XL Bully attack leaves five-year-old boy with life-changing injuries and needing facial reconstruction surgery | Daily Mail Online

Little Teddy needed 100 stitches in his face but was lucky to escape with his life.

Is it unreasonable now to ask the Government to give a warning in the media, that children are to be kept away from these dogs? Not to enter a house or garden where they're known to be? Even if told that the dog is safe, which they are not.
This little chap was visiting a home with his family when it struck.

XL Bully attack leaves young boy needing facial reconstruction surgery

A five-year-old boy has been left with life-changing injuries following a vicious mauling by an XL Bully in Scotland. His traumatised family who helplessly watched on in horror now want the breed banned.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14059029/Vicious-XL-Bully-attack-leaves-five-year-old-boy-life-changing-injuries-needing-facial-reconstruction-surgery.html?login

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SerendipityJane · 09/11/2024 10:37

If they won't eliminated these beasts, maybe we should press to be allowed guns. If for no other reason than to defend ourselves.

After all, it's the owner not the gun.

DysonSphere · 09/11/2024 10:30

Christinglechristmas · 09/11/2024 09:54

@DysonSphere thank you

Postcode district
CR0
Number of XL Bully applications approved
219
Rank
1
Per 100k residents
129

Postcode district
S5
Number of XL Bully applications approved
189
Rank
2
Per 100k residents
298

Postcode district
WA7
Number of XL Bully applications approved
182
Rank
3
Per 100k residents
288

Postcode district
DE24
Number of XL Bully applications approved
180
Rank
4
Per 100k residents
300

Postcode district
WA8
Number of XL Bully applications approved
174
Rank
5
Per 100k residents
272

Postcode district
L36
Number of XL Bully applications approved
173
Rank
6
Per 100k residents
411

Postcode district
L4
Number of XL Bully applications approved
171
Rank
7
Per 100k residents
421

Postcode district
B37
Number of XL Bully applications approved
165
Rank
=8
Per 100k residents
438

Postcode district
LE3
Number of XL Bully applications approved
165
Rank
=8
Per 100k residents
150

Postcode district
WA9
Number of XL Bully applications approved
156
Rank
10
Per 100k residents
296

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Spondoolies · 09/11/2024 10:23

How do we go about creating a petition?

Christinglechristmas · 09/11/2024 09:55

If the police won't act all we can do is email mp

Christinglechristmas · 09/11/2024 09:54

@DysonSphere thank you

DysonSphere · 09/11/2024 09:44

Christinglechristmas · 09/11/2024 09:18

@nocompromisenecessary it's behind a pay wall. Where are A few top areas please

Top area is Croydon

S5 postcode is second worse.

I discovered there are nearly 90 XL registered bully's in my postcode, bit I'm not buying that that is the total number, no way. There must be a hell of a lot of unregistered owners still, because they're everywhere. Literally 6 I can think of off the top of my head in a very short walk to the shops. That's the ones whose owners I see regularly. There's more I'm unfamiliar with.

Christinglechristmas · 09/11/2024 09:18

@nocompromisenecessary it's behind a pay wall. Where are A few top areas please

CarrieOn83 · 09/11/2024 08:11

Mumofnarnia · 08/11/2024 18:01

Bore off! I’ve known staffys who flip! That one with at attacked my horse flipped for no reason! Anyway like I said I have no respect for any sort of bully apologist. Never in a million years would I let my child near an animal that has the ability to lock its jaws and not let go. So defend away all you like, they’re all as bad as each other.

I totally agree.

A few years ago, my brother rehomed a Staffie from Blue Cross. She'd had all the checks, vet care, behavioural assessments etc and was OK to be with children and other dogs. He doesn't have children but I do. I popped round as it was Christmas. He'd had this dog a couple of weeks and she was typically bouncy but no aggression shown. Then this one night she just flipped. She picked up my gran's dog in her jaws, and was flipping it around like a ragdoll. Her jaw was totally locked on and she was AGGRESSIVE. My brother stupidly put himself in there and did get injured but miraculously she let the dog go and it wasn't dead. I think she had played dead as a survival instinct and that encouraged the staffie to let her go.

Now my brother isn't any kind of thug or anything. He doesn't have any need for a big powerful dog. He's an animal lover and fell for the sob story about this dog being in the kennels months and needing a home. He's an animal lover. The next day, he returned the dog to Blue Cross and she was put to sleep. They tried to convince him to keep her and get training! And this is one of the issues! I've seen RSPCA calling for XLs not to be culled because it should be "deed not breed," and totally dismissing the size, power, breeding, temperament, and often the intent of these animals.

I have never seen an animal turn so rapidly. Nothing had changed. She'd been living with this dog for the previous few weeks and was used to the people there. There was no warning. It all happened in a second. I maintain that ALL dogs can show aggression, but their intent is not always a simple kill instinct and the power and size of animals also has to be taken into account. Yes any dog bite will injure, but when was the last time a child was mauled to death by a sausage dog?

lasagnelle · 09/11/2024 07:36

Patienceinshortsupply · 08/11/2024 21:49

I posted on another thread that behind where I work, a family house has got 4 of them. Mum and 3 now almost full grown puppies that they couldn't rehome due to the ban - they obviously didn't get vet treatment for the poor dogs. They are cooped up in a tiny garden, never walked, screamed at constantly - and the family have 3 or 4 kids, all very small who play in the garden next to the dogs. They are HUGE dogs and I'm terrified of walking past them. I've reported to Police, RSPCA, the borough council who owns the house and even social services in desperation. 4 months later, dogs are still there........ and that's the issue, authorities don't give a shit.

Ticking timebomb really

lasagnelle · 09/11/2024 07:34

If this were cows or something they'd be culled. Time to end this.

Errors · 09/11/2024 07:31

Errors · 08/11/2024 21:36

I am no expert on dogs, but I would rather take my chances with a staffy than an XL. Of course my preference would be to not be attacked in the first place!
I think for me, this comes down to risk. It seems that the number of attacks recently are disproportionately down to XLs than any other breed. And after reading that article someone kindly posted up thread about the lineage, I can see why.
Can anyone who knows anything about other Bully breeds explain to me - do other bully breeds at least give a warning?! A growl or grumble or ‘snap’ before they attack? It doesn’t seem like the XL does which is what makes it so dangerous. You can always teach a kid to heed a warning from a dog but sometimes, there isn’t one!
And how common is in-breeding and/or sudden onset rage in other Bully breeds?

It seems like the XL’s have the perfect combination of a totally unpredictable killing machine. I think part of what makes them so dangerous is luring their owners in to a false sense of security by being so docile and loving and then giving no warning before attacking you. And then of course being so powerful that there isn’t much you can do once they flip.

@blueyismyg would you know the answer to my questions please?
Or perhaps any other dog experts on this thread?

Errors · 09/11/2024 07:28

QueenTweenandKingTeen · 09/11/2024 00:09

Very interesting - there is definitely a class divide going on.

I agree! I knew my town would have a high number of them despite not seeing any around - nearly 150 in my densely populated postcode!

Mumofnarnia · 09/11/2024 02:31

AlexaSetATimer · 08/11/2024 22:25

@Mumofnarnia sorry but you're starting to sound unhinged now. And a bit thick to be honest.

I agree. @blueyismyg has been very calm in the face of your ridiculous rudeness.

I agree it's time now for all XL bullies to be destroyed as their genetics mean they are completely unpredictable and dangerous. The Killer Kimbo genes are too inbred for any to be safe.

Yawn 🥱

Resorting to insults are we. Your ridiculous rudeness is very much disgusting but I don’t really care because your post is a bit ‘thick’ and ‘unhinged’ and not even worth a reply! You absolutely sound unhinged!

Craftymam · 09/11/2024 00:20

Icecreamandcoffee · 08/11/2024 15:17

https://banthebullyxluk.wordpress.com/2023/08/01/finding-kimbo/

The sooner this becomes common knowledge the better.

Wow. That’s insane.

Thedogscollar · 09/11/2024 00:17

These dogs need to be exterminated.
They are NOT pets they are killers.

QueenTweenandKingTeen · 09/11/2024 00:09

nocompromisenecessary · 08/11/2024 22:32

There's a map here showing where all the registered XL's live.

Handy if you're moving house or choosing where to go on holiday . . .

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/exclusive-how-many-xl-bullys-live-in-your-area/

Very interesting - there is definitely a class divide going on.

DysonSphere · 08/11/2024 23:29

I've previously been very much for complete destruction of this breed. There are tons of XL bully owners where I live, and they are all owned by idiots in the main. Often walked outside without muzzles including the local parks where children play in the same grass as the dog walkers! People walking them getting a massive ego boost from the fear of pedestrians.

However, I have recently been watching videos of farm guarding dogs and security dogs and I wonder if there is a case for them being owned by specialist owners?

I saw this video for e.g. which looks like an XL bully dog (as far I can see, but I'm no expert admittedly) which is being professionally trained for security and it does seem that with proper training and appropriate stimulation this breed of dog can be taught to 'let go' and become well trained and obedient. Or am I naive? I am asking experienced dog owners of large breeds specifically.

https://youtube.com/shorts/7OPbvKP2_zQ?si=vspLXlFjJ4po3YL7

ChitterChatter1987 · 08/11/2024 23:24

Awful....I once saw a petrifying picture on FB of someone local to me letting their little kid kiss their pet XL bully on the nose!

Not long after, it got rehomed because it bit the parent quite badly on the arm.

I think it got PTS in the end for being vicious (suprise suprise)

Bubblebuttress · 08/11/2024 23:24

I think I’ve seen some around town. Do we report them? To the police? And what are the breeds that look like XL bullies but are not. I wonder if I am getting them mixed up

Rummly · 08/11/2024 23:14

The most recent, well-publicised time there was a police shooting of dangerous dogs - in East London - there was whining and shouting from some on MN. Nuts, completely nuts.

nocompromisenecessary · 08/11/2024 23:09

ToffeeSquirrels · 08/11/2024 23:05

'Ceremonially'?

I mean people could plan it, have a last supper, last play and walk, say your last goodbyes, plan where to scatter ashes etc.

None of that happens once your dog has attacked and is seized or shot by police. No goodbyes. Just tragedy, trauma, gone.

ToffeeSquirrels · 08/11/2024 23:05

nocompromisenecessary · 08/11/2024 22:46

Hi Errors,
I'm pretty sure people can request their dogs are put to sleep. It could be done humanely and ceremonially for those that have become loved family pets.
Better that way than after a tragic event.

'Ceremonially'?

ToffeeSquirrels · 08/11/2024 23:03

Surely with dogs it's PSI 'bite force' (Pounds per square inch).
Apparently no dog actually has the ability to 'lock its jaws' it just refuses to let go, which is equally horrifying.

nocompromisenecessary · 08/11/2024 22:58

Errors · 08/11/2024 22:39

Thanks for this!! There are nearly 150 in my postcode district!!

It's an eyeopener isn't it.

Runcorn, Widnes and the Liverpool area seem particularly saturated.

LivelyMintViper · 08/11/2024 22:55

Anonymousess · 08/11/2024 22:48

I don’t have anywhere else to post this so will just go for here. Someone I went to school with has not one, but two XL Bully dogs and I’m so shocked. She seems like she’s done well for herself so I’m just so confused as to what she was thinking with these 2 massive, scary dogs paraded all over her social media.

Unbelievable. Reminds me of the chap in Florida who raised an alligator from its egg
Fed and petted it regularly. Till it killed him
No cure for stupid