Another XL Bully Attack

Oh I’m glad you’re taking note of what ‘phrases’ I use! That’s really going to help isn’t it! Not!

The temperament! Aye and I’ve seen the ‘temperament’ of a staffy too! I’m not interested in the ‘it’s not the dog it’s the owner’ phrase or it’s the ‘temperament’ excuse. As far as I’m concerned any dog that locks its jaws and refuses to let go is just as bad as the other regardless of size and weight.

Yes, and as the XL isn't a specific breed, immediately identifiable, a number of owners just say it's a cross breed.
A few locally have them, and the majority adhere to restrictions. There are a few that I'm pretty sure are XL, but I couldn't be sure and not muzzled etc.
Without exception, though, the owners are the stereotype.

Absolutely, certain types of people are just moving on to other dangerous breeds. We have some arsehole down the road who has a cane corso with three young children, no-one else can walk the thing as it's too bloody strong.

Just have a big dog licence along the lines of a shotgun licence. Police come round and vet people and if they have a criminal record or can't get a good reference, don't have a properly secure garden or house (or have a flat) they can't get one. Licence needs to be carried at all times when with the dog and major penalties if they don't have one.

@Mumofnarnia I mean you've just used the phrase 'bore off' twice in an adult discussion soo....😬

You're not unhinged for not letting your dc near a staffy, that's completely up to you.

I don't think I'm tying myself in knots. I've asked you questions you can't answer. I've spoken from experience and acknowledged the risks. But as I've said multiple times now it mostly boils down to temperament...which is very different in an XL bully to any other dog. If an XL bully was just another big, powerful dog it wouldn't have been banned and there wouldn't be attack after attack. It's the behaviour that sets it apart from other dogs. Hope that clears it up finally.

I would not let my kids go to houses with these dogs either!

oh We are resorting to insults now are we?? I’m unhinged because I would never let my child around a staffy? Really? Now who’s the unhinged one! It’s giving me a good laugh seeing you tying yourself in knots trying to defend them!

Zero difference between the jaw lock then?? Or did you miss that bit? BOTH XL and staffy can do serious damage and kill! Absolutely not comparable so bore off with your non argument

@Mumofnarnia sorry but you're starting to sound unhinged now. And a bit thick to be honest. No point engaging further as you're so blinkered you won't entertain any other views.

Just to summarise I'm not an apologist. I am fully aware of the nature of bull breeds having being raised with them myself. Never once have I encountered any aggression from one. That's not to say it can't and doesn't happen, of course it does. Research well enough and you'll see reported attacks from pretty much all breeds but of course the risk of serious harm is a lot higher with a strong, powerful dog than it ever would be with a Jack Russell. For that reason I am always super cautious and very responsible with mine. The same can't be said for other owners.

But the difference with an XL bully is that you are combining size and strength with fucked up genetics that make their behaviour incredibly unpredictable and psychotic. That's why they are so dangerous and why they should be culled imo.

It doesn’t help that the photos used tend to make the dog look like a monster. When your dc goes on a play date and the dog is a sweetie, looking more like an American pit bull or a staffy, you may not make the connection.

Some of these dogs look like the monsters illustrating news stories. Most of them don’t.

Cull the dogs, prosecute the owners . Keeping one with children ought to be regarded as neglect. It’s the same as keeping a weapon within the reach of a child.

Bore off! I’ve known staffys who flip! That one with at attacked my horse flipped for no reason! Anyway like I said I have no respect for any sort of bully apologist. Never in a million years would I let my child near an animal that has the ability to lock its jaws and not let go. So defend away all you like, they’re all as bad as each other.

I totally agree with this

@Mumofnarnia but the temperament is not the same. XL bullies have repeatedly been shown to flip, sometimes attacking their owners. You don't see that behaviour in other dogs, if you did they'd be up for a ban too surely?

If you're so certain that they are 'all the same' and can genuinely compare them to XL bullies can you explain why there haven't been more targeted laws against them as well? There hasn't because they not the same.

Exactly but staffys are apparently not comparable to an xl bully according to a poster. Despite them being killer dogs who lock their jaws on their victims just the same

A staff killed an elderly man in my town a few years ago.
Apparently, it was a "sweet dog" who had never shown aggression before

Is it unreasonable now to ask the Government to give a warning in the media, that children are to be kept away from these dogs? Not to enter a house or garden where they're known to be? Even if told that the dog is safe, which they are not

Rather than target the majority, why not target the minority here ?

They don’t have to be large and powerful against a child. All they need to do is lock their jaws and not let go! I seen a staffy pup attack my horse - that’s right a 500kg horse and caused some serious damage. A child would not stand a chance against one of those! They are comparable to XL bullys because all of them lock their jaws and DONT LET GO!!!!

@Mumofnarnia I already have. Keep up.

Any large, powerful dog has the ability to seriously injure or kill. It's about temperament and genetics. And as we are seeing more and more, there are serious flaws with XLs that make them switch and attack just like that. I haven't seen that in my bull breeds, ever.

Of course any dog can turn at any time which is why none can be completely trusted. And there is an added risk with large, powerful dogs. But large powerful dogs don't just equate to bull breeds.

You are biased in your opinion because you don't like them, which as I've repeatedly said is your choice. But I'm just saying there's no point trying to put them in the same league as an XL.

Is it unreasonable now to ask the Government to give a warning in the media, that children are to be kept away from these dogs

Why the government?

Is it now considered that everything has to be passed through the government.

Knowing full well how much press and news attention these dogs have had, for months now, is it too much to expect the parent/s of a child to take some responsibility and make an informed decision themselves as to whether they want their DC in an environment where this type of dog is kept.

I agree they should all be pts ideally

Perhaps you would like to explain to everyone on this thread why they should allow their children around a non XL bully, bully then despite them having the ability to kill and can be unpredictable and the best of times. A bully is a bully to me XL or otherwise! All have the ability to lock their jaws and not let go’

@Mumofnarnia I'm not a bully apologist. I have nothing to apologise for. I just happen to have had experience with bull breeds and am highlighting the ridiculousness of comparing all of them to XL bullies.

Oh dear I’ve upset a bully apologist how naughty of me lol

@Mumofnarnia oh dear. An erratic stranger on MN has zero respect for me, how will I live?

Look, you obviously have your own very personal reasons for not liking bull breeds. Which is understandable. But as I said, it's a pointless comparison between them and XL bullies.

If a tiger or puma escaped from a zoo, the surrounding area would be locked down, police everywhere, people told to stay inside with windows shut until the animal was caught.
XL Bullys are just as lethal, yet people have them in their homes, and take them into our streets and parks. It just beggars belief.

If I had my way any bully would be gone! After the atrocities I’ve seen and heard about them create! So defend away I really don’t give a shit!