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Private Schools- hear me out before you judge!

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Silverbook · 08/11/2024 13:01

I'm a state school teacher in Scotland. Class sizes are - 25 for P1, 30 for P2-3 and 33 for P4-7. I currently have a class size of 25, most classes in the school are 25-28. Relatively small town- 2 primaries, 1 independent and 1 secondary. The next nearest independent is 45 mins away.

The local independent school is closing due to VAT, the pupils are largely coming here. This is pushing all our class sizes up. No extra funding or staff, obviously. My issue with independent schools closing is that is directly impacting the state sector and no extra funding, resources or infrastructure is in place to support it.

Yes, our classes are still within legal limits but it will always be the most disadvantaged children/those with greater need of support who are impacted most by larger class sizes as there is just less time to spend with them.

I really feel this has been a poorly thought through and knee jerk policy. Surely you invest and create capacity in existing resources before increasing pupil numbers?

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TheYearOfSmallThings · 09/11/2024 18:05

It's not taken out of context, you said that 84 children "have come to our school".

Where did the figure 84 come from?

BotanicalGreen · 09/11/2024 18:05

twistyizzy · 09/11/2024 17:32

Lies? No, you may disagree with them but they aren't lies. I can back up each post with facts and evidence. You however are just on a mistaken witch hunt.
Children lie at the heart of this and the fact you constantly minimise the impact on them is disgusting

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Okay let's stick to specifics. Where is your back up for your assertion that Starmer's father was not a working class toolmaker?You are always posting about that. It is simply untrue.

Craftycariad · 09/11/2024 18:05

SometimesCalmPerson · 08/11/2024 16:06

It worked to get Labour votes and popularity from jealous people though. Who cares about the children?

Not jealous people at all. If I had my way all the private schools would be closed. Vat doesn't go far enough for me.

Silverbook · 09/11/2024 18:03

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Silverbook · 09/11/2024 18:02

Jennaveeve · 09/11/2024 17:56

@Silverbook umm you literally said it yourself…

That figure was in reply to the previous poster who was talking about the future- I was replying based on that.
Taken out of context I can see how it reads like that. The school is closing, it’s in our local press.

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Jennaveeve · 09/11/2024 18:01

@Silverbook please name the school then. If it’s already out in the press.

Sawlt · 09/11/2024 18:01

That’s really similar to the London school I mentioned, it was v quiet and was being bought / due to close. Really it was notice to families start planning your departure.

privatenonamegiven · 09/11/2024 18:00

twistyizzy · 09/11/2024 17:19

As did Lib Dems, Greens, Reform + Tories ie every party except Labour opposes this policy.

You’re wrong the Greens would do this apart from they made it clear children with SEN would be exempt from the VAT

Silverbook · 09/11/2024 18:00

TheYearOfSmallThings · 09/11/2024 17:54

You said it in your post at 11:34

If by “a couple” you mean the 84 that have come to our school then yes.

That was in reply to the previous poster who was talking about the future- I was replying based on that.

Taken out of context I can see how it reads like that. The school is closing, it’s in our local press.

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Boohoo76 · 09/11/2024 17:58

Good! You might think that is totally bitchy response but, quite frankly, myself and many other parents have faced so much abuse on here and other forums for arguing about the negative impacts of this policy and I know of children who have been abused in the street (by adults) whilst wearing their private school uniforms, that I am past caring about how it will impact some state school children and teachers. I’m taking an all right Jack approach now. I have a DC whose state school won’t be impacted as it’s a state grammar with strict entry criteria and my other DC will be staying in his private school (thanks to a remortgage).

Jennaveeve · 09/11/2024 17:56

@Silverbook umm you literally said it yourself…

TheYearOfSmallThings · 09/11/2024 17:54

Silverbook · 09/11/2024 17:52

My post doesn’t say that.

You said it in your post at 11:34

If by “a couple” you mean the 84 that have come to our school then yes.

Silverbook · 09/11/2024 17:52

Jennaveeve · 09/11/2024 17:40

@Silverbook but 84 children have left already?

My post doesn’t say that.

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Silverbook · 09/11/2024 17:50

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Jennaveeve · 09/11/2024 17:40

@Silverbook but 84 children have left already?

Silverbook · 09/11/2024 17:39

My post says it’s due to close…..

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Silverbook · 09/11/2024 17:34

Willooth · 09/11/2024 16:04

If it's Kilgraston school you're referring to OP, it's been in financial trouble for a few years. It's not just the VAT

I fully acknowledge that lots of private schools are probably on a shaky peg just now and VAT will just be the straw that breaks the camel.

From a personal perspective I just wish this had been more thoroughly thought though and more invested into education before loading the camel with more straw!

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twistyizzy · 09/11/2024 17:32

BotanicalGreen · 09/11/2024 17:26

No just pointing out when posts are lies.

Lies? No, you may disagree with them but they aren't lies. I can back up each post with facts and evidence. You however are just on a mistaken witch hunt.
Children lie at the heart of this and the fact you constantly minimise the impact on them is disgusting

Silverbook · 09/11/2024 17:30

MumonabikeE5 · 09/11/2024 15:23

Well if that’s true then campaign to make your school funding system more equitable.

I’ll leave that to the unions & parent bodies and just focus on my job which is providing the best education with the resources I have

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BotanicalGreen · 09/11/2024 17:26

StandingSideBySide · 09/11/2024 16:43

Trolling!

No just pointing out when posts are lies.

Sawlt · 09/11/2024 17:24

Don’t worry …. Birth rates been dropping since 2015 so less and less kids coming thru …. until get enough new people to fill the gap

twistyizzy · 09/11/2024 17:19

Mia85 · 09/11/2024 17:18

But those groupings didn't all have the same policy on private school VAT so I am not sure that is relevant to this thread. Lib Dems opposed Labour's plan.

As did Lib Dems, Greens, Reform + Tories ie every party except Labour opposes this policy.

Mia85 · 09/11/2024 17:18

swimsong · 09/11/2024 16:44

Over 60% voted for a left/centre/progressive party.

Less than 40% voted for rightwing/Conservative/Reform.

But those groupings didn't all have the same policy on private school VAT so I am not sure that is relevant to this thread. Lib Dems opposed Labour's plan.

MugPlate · 09/11/2024 17:17

Perhaps it’s time to support more homeschooling?

Silverbook · 09/11/2024 17:14

MumonabikeE5 · 09/11/2024 15:23

Well if that’s true then campaign to make your school funding system more equitable.

😂 funnily enough the Unions do this on our behalf. Thanks for the helpful suggestion.

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