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Private Schools- hear me out before you judge!

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Silverbook · 08/11/2024 13:01

I'm a state school teacher in Scotland. Class sizes are - 25 for P1, 30 for P2-3 and 33 for P4-7. I currently have a class size of 25, most classes in the school are 25-28. Relatively small town- 2 primaries, 1 independent and 1 secondary. The next nearest independent is 45 mins away.

The local independent school is closing due to VAT, the pupils are largely coming here. This is pushing all our class sizes up. No extra funding or staff, obviously. My issue with independent schools closing is that is directly impacting the state sector and no extra funding, resources or infrastructure is in place to support it.

Yes, our classes are still within legal limits but it will always be the most disadvantaged children/those with greater need of support who are impacted most by larger class sizes as there is just less time to spend with them.

I really feel this has been a poorly thought through and knee jerk policy. Surely you invest and create capacity in existing resources before increasing pupil numbers?

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Seashor · 08/11/2024 15:53

There is ONE day in the year that the funding is calculated on and that day has gone!
We won’t be getting extra funding, we won’t be getting extra TA’s. We will have bigger classes. No children are going to benefit. Education should NEVER be taxed, it’s a tax on children.
All the local schools in my area rely on the private school to host sport activities, theatre events, swimming lessons and translating when we receive pupils who don’t speak English. Apart from the swimming they charge us NOTHING. Well guess what, that’s all about to change!
I loathe the ‘Well if we can’t afford it no one should have it’ attitude. It’s pathetic. No one benefits. I hope all the jealous state school parents are happy now!

Hollowvoice · 08/11/2024 15:50

InformEducateEntertain · 08/11/2024 13:52

Surely each additional pupil comes with funding. That's how it works in England.

But not until the next year. The basic funding is based on the October census of the previous year. Funding for next academic year 25.26 is based on the number of pupils in school on census day in October 24
So any pupils joining now won't add to the GAG until 26.27

Another76543 · 08/11/2024 15:47

@Silverbook

I really feel this has been a poorly thought through and knee jerk policy. Surely you invest and create capacity in existing resources before increasing pupil numbers?

This policy was always about ideology. Even the IFS have said the funds raised will be tiny and make no difference to public services. It’s disrupting the private and state sectors for no gain.

I don’t know about Scotland, but as far as I’m aware, in England, school funding is set at the start of the year. No pupil transferring mid year from the private sector will attract additional funding for their state school. Going forward it will, but that doesn’t help with large class sizes. It also means the taxpayer now has to fund £8k per child, which could have otherwise been spent elsewhere.

If we chose to move our children from their existing private school, the state schools currently available are unsuitable for various reasons. If those schools were the only option, I would be appealing to get them into the oversubscribed schools. This would take up lots of state resources and could ultimately mean that places have to be found in already oversubscribed schools. Many families will be in this position. They won’t just sit back and accept whatever school they are allocated.

The policy and its impacts have not been thought through.

BaleOfHay · 08/11/2024 15:33

Fully agree. My school announced it was closing in April last night.

Heatherbell1978 · 08/11/2024 15:25

Yes it'll be a shit-show in the years to come. My DS has just moved to a Scottish private school. Huge class in his old state primary. Very disruptive and teachers completely missed his dyslexia. A few months in and we don't regret our decision (despite the financial strain). I have friends who are struggling to get their DC the help and support they need in their huge state school classes. But also think VAT is a great idea. I really don't think they realise the numbers of kids this will drive into the state sector.

Silverbook · 08/11/2024 15:17

FloofPaws · 08/11/2024 14:08

As ^^ says. Plus you can apply for extra funding for TA support for children with difficulties can't you? My sons primary dad this and he had a TA about 50% every day

Any support currently in place won’t change because the school role increases.

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Silverbook · 08/11/2024 15:00

InformEducateEntertain · 08/11/2024 13:52

Surely each additional pupil comes with funding. That's how it works in England.

No, our system doesn’t work like that.

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FloofPaws · 08/11/2024 14:08

As ^^ says. Plus you can apply for extra funding for TA support for children with difficulties can't you? My sons primary dad this and he had a TA about 50% every day

InformEducateEntertain · 08/11/2024 13:52

Surely each additional pupil comes with funding. That's how it works in England.

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