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Rejected for birthday action - AIBU or is he?

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Kendra43 · 08/11/2024 11:06

Odd as it may sound (or it may not, I don't know), I've generally had birthday shags in past relationships, on mine and the other person's birthday

So current partner, been together one year. We had an evening out for my birthday. Beforehand I told him I was wearing a new underwear set and he said 'I look forward to seeing it later 😉'

We get back shortly after 11 and I make my move. He clearly isn't interested. I say 'oh are you not up for it now?'. He says he would've been earlier but now it's late and he's tired.

AIBU to be a bit concerned he just couldn't be arsed? I felt really disappointed. We're early 30s.

OP posts:
CrowleyKitten · 09/11/2024 18:16

on birthdays, we usually have a really nice day out, followed by a delicious meal.
usually end the day FAR too full to be up for anything vigorous.

MustWeDoThis · 09/11/2024 18:03

Kendra43 · 08/11/2024 11:12

@parietal we had champagne and food.

I'm thinking is this just how it is now in your early 30s. Maybe I need to take.my expectations down a notch!

What if this was a man trying to force sex onto a woman? Or to still expect it and be upset when the woman said no and the man became arsey?

Daisy12Maisie · 09/11/2024 10:34

If you watch the cup of tea video on u tube it will explain how people change their minds...
I don't think it's an issue for one night. It would be an issue (for me personally) if it had been a month or so with no specific reason eg health related.

Kendra43 · 08/11/2024 18:26

Nogaxeh · 08/11/2024 15:20

I thought birthday shags were a thing. Seems obvious to me. People make an extra effort for their OH on their birthday, so why wouldn't they make an effort for sex too, if the birthday girl/boy was interested.

Obviously no-one is ever obligated to have sex, but people do lots of things they aren't in the mood for that they're not obligated to do, and if someone doesn't do things for you, doesn't make an effort out of choice, then it does send a signal that they aren't particularly motivated by your happiness.

Yeah I got this impression too. In fact, I've been given this impression by an ex. Not in a pressure way but light hearted.

I thought birthdays were a time where action generally happens. This thread has been an eye opener!

OP posts:
Tink3rbell30 · 08/11/2024 17:08

No big deal. I couldn't be arsed after alcohol and a meal and past 11pm either

HarrisObviously · 08/11/2024 16:51

Kendra43 · 08/11/2024 13:28

When I initiated he mentioned he'd said before he'd rather have sex earlier in the day or evening.

Which is fine but I don't think expect us to just do it his way all the time.

Yes it's about compromise. What if you hate it in the mornings and he doesn't want to after 11pm then it's not going to work long term.
Sometimes it can take a few minutes to get in the mood.
If you read 'Come as You Are' by Emily Nagoski , she talks about people having brakes/ accelerators regarding sex. More women have stronger brake tendencies and men more often have higher accelerators. Reading it can help couples understand each other better and hopefully improve compatibility and reduce dissatisfaction between them. I wish I had been able to read it when I was younger.

CrabSignalArmy · 08/11/2024 16:37

Sorry I think if you want a night of passion then the aim should be champagne and canapes/tapas relatively swiftly and home by 9pm. A full meal and getting home at 11pm means too knackered for passion.

LEWWW · 08/11/2024 16:33

Just wait for if you have kids, after 11pm tends to be the only time me and DH can schedule in these days, by the time kids bathed/in bed and teenager has gone to sleep it’s at least 10.30. We would never have sex otherwise.

Maybe you need to find someone who is more matched in drive to yourself 😅

HarrisObviously · 08/11/2024 16:18

Kendra43 · 08/11/2024 12:25

@Godoit my point is that the birthday aside, he's said he doesn't really like shagging after 11.

No late nights shags for the rest of my life? He's 31. He's not an old man.

Time to move on. What's he going to be like in his 50s when his testosterone is dropping.
Find someone more aligned to you.

HarrisObviously · 08/11/2024 16:15

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 08/11/2024 12:14

It doesn't bode well for the future I'm afraid. You need to find someone more sexually compatible. You're far too young to not have sex after 11pm!

Exactly this.

coffeesaveslives · 08/11/2024 16:07

Kendra43 · 08/11/2024 14:22

@BettyBardMacDonald I'm a bit surprised by this.

Surely we all want to feel desired by our partners?

Someone can desire you without wanting to have sex with you all the time.

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 08/11/2024 16:03

Not suggesting that OP has done anything wrong, she was disappointed and concerned about the way her birthday ended and wants to discuss it. But on a related theme is this wonderful video about the meaning of consent:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZwvrxVavnQ

Babbahabba · 08/11/2024 15:54

I think if your sex drives aren't aligned this early on and at your young ages, there will be more significant problems later on as you age & life gets more demanding.

theriseandfallofFranklinSaint · 08/11/2024 15:27

For me, the action would definitely have to be before we went out. After a couple of drinks, I'm just not bothered (totally different from most people!) so after drinks AND food, it's game over in this house!

Nogaxeh · 08/11/2024 15:20

I thought birthday shags were a thing. Seems obvious to me. People make an extra effort for their OH on their birthday, so why wouldn't they make an effort for sex too, if the birthday girl/boy was interested.

Obviously no-one is ever obligated to have sex, but people do lots of things they aren't in the mood for that they're not obligated to do, and if someone doesn't do things for you, doesn't make an effort out of choice, then it does send a signal that they aren't particularly motivated by your happiness.

Sceptical123 · 08/11/2024 15:17

Kendra43 · 08/11/2024 12:45

@Didimum thank you, yes, this is how I felt. And this is what I do for him at other times when I am tired and secretly can't be bothered. I feel it's important to put effort into this side of things.

We don't have kids yet and I imagine the demands will be more then.

You imagine 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

gannett · 08/11/2024 15:07

Feelinadequate23 · 08/11/2024 15:03

After a romantic meal on someone's birthday is about as scheduley as you can get! It's an obvious one!

Before! Always before!

Bloated and tired after a three-course meal might be the least sexy I ever feel, and that includes covid.

SharpOpalNewt · 08/11/2024 15:06

I'm 49 and if I knew sex was possibly on the cards later with DH I'd not eat too much so I felt too full and tired.

Men's testosterone levels peak at about 18 and are in decline after that. So many have a low sex drive or are not bothered at all by their late 20s or 30s. This is fine - but it is a problem in a relationship if expectations and sex drive are mismatched.

Feelinadequate23 · 08/11/2024 15:05

BettyBardMacDonald · 08/11/2024 14:16

It's not his job to make you feel desirable.

If you are ruminating over things like this (harking back to him declining sex two months ago!) maybe you aren't in the right frame of mind to have a healthy relationship.

Um it kind of is! If you don't make your partner feel desirable then don't complain if someone else does...

NotOneOfTheInCrowd · 08/11/2024 15:03

no-one is ever unreasonable for saying no to sex.

If a woman posted here that her DP complained that she hadn’t put out on his birthday after implying that sex was on the cards, and that he’d then gone online to complain about it people would be advising her to LTB.

there’s no bigger turn-off than being expected to “make an effort.” Stuff that. If there’s a general lack of sex then it might be a consideration to sit down and talk things through. But saying no once and once a few months ago hardly constitutes an issue does it.

Feelinadequate23 · 08/11/2024 15:03

gannett · 08/11/2024 15:01

I think there's a big difference between putting in a general effort to keep your sex life good if you drift into a dry spell, and expecting your partner to put in the specific effort to have sex at 11pm after a big meal.

OP and her partner are going to have to actually talk about it and find times when they're both likely to be up for it. As unromantic as it sounds, an element of scheduling, or at least expectation that sex is likely to best happen at certain times of day/week, is really important. Or an idea of timing. DP and I have never actually had a specific conversation but if we go longer than a week without sex due to general life stress, we know we're both actively looking to make time for it.

After a romantic meal on someone's birthday is about as scheduley as you can get! It's an obvious one!

Feelinadequate23 · 08/11/2024 15:02

Didimum · 08/11/2024 12:42

This in MN, where 100% sexual enthusiasm is necessary in 100% of scenarios (which yes, I take that point), so you will be told, overwhelmingly, that you are being unreasonable. Along with being told, as somewhere above, that you should examine why being turned down for sex makes you feel undesirable.

But I get your point, OP. It's a special occasion – you'd had an intimate meal out, lots of quality time and I'm sure lots of flirting and laughter. I completely understand why you would have been looking forward to some great sex when you got home to top off the great evening, and I can completely understand why having your partner turn you down because he was tired on your birthday, after a lovely date night, would be very disappointing.

If he got unwell from the food or he was having an especially rough day or night for some reason, then yes, you do have to take these things on the chin and not make your partner feel bad about it.

But the way you describe it does indeed sound as though he just didn't want to put in the effort. When you have a lot of demands on your time and energy, then sex can sometimes feel like an effort when it shouldn't, which is a shame, but putting in an active effort to keep that part of your relationship alive and thriving is important – especially on a special night where all kinds of other efforts had been made together.

Thank you, the voice of reason!

gannett · 08/11/2024 15:01

Didimum · 08/11/2024 14:54

These aren’t typical examples of ‘effort’ in most relationships where both partners put attention into a suffering sex life. I’ve got a full time job, a 3hr round commute and small twins. I’m probably enthusiastic for sex once a month when things are very busy and stressful, but it’s important to our relationship so I make the mental effort to prioritise it in all kinds of small ways so it doesn’t fall by the wayside. My husband feels the same and does the same for me.

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I think there's a big difference between putting in a general effort to keep your sex life good if you drift into a dry spell, and expecting your partner to put in the specific effort to have sex at 11pm after a big meal.

OP and her partner are going to have to actually talk about it and find times when they're both likely to be up for it. As unromantic as it sounds, an element of scheduling, or at least expectation that sex is likely to best happen at certain times of day/week, is really important. Or an idea of timing. DP and I have never actually had a specific conversation but if we go longer than a week without sex due to general life stress, we know we're both actively looking to make time for it.

Didimum · 08/11/2024 14:54

Catza · 08/11/2024 13:37

What do you think it should look like in practice? Force-feeding your partner viagra? Manually stimulating him until he is hard whether he wants it or not? Him somehow magically willing the mechanics to work on demand? You allowing penetration when you are not ready, and therefore, not likely to enjoy it?
None of it sounds like a foundation for a great sex life or a relationship to me.

These aren’t typical examples of ‘effort’ in most relationships where both partners put attention into a suffering sex life. I’ve got a full time job, a 3hr round commute and small twins. I’m probably enthusiastic for sex once a month when things are very busy and stressful, but it’s important to our relationship so I make the mental effort to prioritise it in all kinds of small ways so it doesn’t fall by the wayside. My husband feels the same and does the same for me.

Soocks · 08/11/2024 14:51

OP, give this some honest thought.
Are you really aligned?
It sounds not.
You are a year in, no point in wasting time if you're not.
It will definitely not get better after marriage and children.