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For reporting my DH to the Health Visitor? What should I do?

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getmeout12 · 07/11/2024 20:52

My husband is Irish. He swears as part of his every day vocabulary, it seems to be an Irish thing (is it!?). Tells me his parents always used the F word when he grew up. We have two young children (6 and 4). He swears in front of them on a daily basis: "F sake" multiple times a day; "stop f-ing doing that", "get out of that f-cking car" type of thing. If he's working around the house and something frustrates him, we'll often hear a "F&cking hell" shouted loudly from whichever room he is in.

My 4 year old has sworn twice during October half term to his grandparents who are mortified. You ask him where he's heard that, "Daddy". It's almost now farcical, both my 6 and 4 year old say "Daddy swears".

My 6 year old has made him a swear jar called "Daddy's swear jar".

Tonight it just got too much. My eldest, who is a sensitive soul, knows it is wrong and she is so terrified of doing anything wrong. She is a bit of a do-gooder Tonight, at bedtime, for some reason, she blurted out "get off my f&cking bed". DH shouted at her. She was mortified, ran downstairs to me breaking her heart crying, so upset with herself that she had said it and with the look of absolute fear in her eyes.

I felt as though I couldn't tell the poor girl off, she knew it was wrong - and I cannot blame her when she hears it daily from him. She was terrified of what would happen and so upset. I comforted her, calmed her down and took her to bed.

When I told my husband again that it had to stop, he says she needs to be told off that it's wrong. .

I'm at my absolute wits end. DH will not listen, walks out whenever I try to tell him that this is a real issue. I have just text him now to explain that I'm really concerned, he has blocked me on WhatsApp so he cannot receive my message. The fact my 6 and 4 yo have it as part of their vocabulary and that it is at the tip of their tongue so that it "slips out" fills me with fear about what is to come in future years.

Do I report this to school? Do I report it to the health visitor? What should I do? I've continually asked but it will not stop, it is engrained in him. It seems to have got worse in years gone by. I guess he has always sworn before we had kids, but its impact is of course heightened with children around (I guess I never really believed he would actually swear in front of kids - I'd never seen him do that with others' children!).

I have no idea what to do. Any advice gratefully received, and please be kind. I'm carrying a lot at the moment.

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AgileMentor · 10/11/2024 15:11

Report to the school heath visitor then next thing you’ve got social on the phone. They are WORDS I don’t read anything about abuse neglect but he’s saying words. If you would report your own husband to xyz because of a few words then I’d suggest a divorce.

Fifteenofus · 10/11/2024 14:55

theleafandnotthetree · 10/11/2024 11:58

That's why I said 'may'! I think the main point stands, that amongst Irish people generally, it is considered a very light not-quite swear word that is warm rather than nasty in its intentions.

Oh right. It did sound as though you were using may in the sense of ‘even though’ rather than ‘possible’.
Absolutely agree about how feck is considered in Ireland.

TwistlnMySobriety · 10/11/2024 12:23

Feck means to steal, which in turn comes from effect, which means to make happen.

surely everybody’s heard of feckless!

i don’t regard it as a swear word at all.

theleafandnotthetree · 10/11/2024 11:58

Fifteenofus · 10/11/2024 11:54

For Irish people it really is not at all the same as saying 'fuck', it may be derived from it in the distant past but has evolved to have a different tone and meaning.

I don’t think feck is derived from fuck, although it’s now often used as a much milder version of the latter in Ireland. But the etymology of the words is thought to be different.

That's why I said 'may'! I think the main point stands, that amongst Irish people generally, it is considered a very light not-quite swear word that is warm rather than nasty in its intentions.

Fifteenofus · 10/11/2024 11:54

For Irish people it really is not at all the same as saying 'fuck', it may be derived from it in the distant past but has evolved to have a different tone and meaning.

I don’t think feck is derived from fuck, although it’s now often used as a much milder version of the latter in Ireland. But the etymology of the words is thought to be different.

theleafandnotthetree · 10/11/2024 08:47

Fountofwisdom · 08/11/2024 18:14

Feck is just a very slightly disguised version of fuck, and I have heard Irish family and friends try to justify it but IMO it’s just as bad. The use and intent is exactly the same as saying fuck. Don’t let him pull that crap.

Well that's in your opinion. For Irish people it really is not at all the same as saying 'fuck', it may be derived from it in the distant past but has evolved to have a different tone and meaning. Hiberno-english is quite a distinct thing and long may it and other variations continue. I can't imagine your disdain going down too well with your Irish friends and family so maybe keep it to yourself (for fecks sake 😜)

Codlingmoths · 10/11/2024 08:36

AcceptAllChanges · 07/11/2024 22:02

I'm sorry but I don't really understand what's so bad about swearing. I know we bring children up not to do it, and treat it as naughty, but why? I get the impression that it's the upwardly mobile middle classes who find it so offensive, and I suspect it's because they're anxious for the whole family to present themselves as ideal employees and/or as slightly more posh than they really are. Royals and the super-wealthy don't seem to worry about "keeping up standards" in this way.

Just pondering out loud here, without judgement, as someone from a lower middle class family whose parents considered "bloody" an unacceptably strong swear word, "bastard" unforgivable, and the rest absolutely unspeakable. The TV would be switched off at the very first mention of a "bad" word.

Edited to add (sorry have not RTFT) that to me, what matters is the spirit of what you say, not the words you use. I've met some absolute psychopaths who speak very nicely. And some absolute diamonds who swear like troopers.

Edited

Haha can you really imagine any of the royals being anything less than MORTIFIED if their children said I want some fucking tea? These people all certainly do care, because it’s really bad manners. I care that my kids learn not to swear (not a royal obviously)
op: he doesn’t listen to you, he’s BLOCKED you, I think our marriage would be over if my husband blocked me on his phone?!

CallMeCrazyButIDontLikeStoreBoughtPesto · 10/11/2024 08:28

usernother · 10/11/2024 06:35

@CallMeCrazyButIDontLikeStoreBoughtPesto
LOL. Anywhere in public. The street, a restaurant, big Tesco, little Tesco. Surely you’ve heard people swear… in public? The mind does indeed boggle.

No, where I live people don't routinely swear in public. In pubs and clubs, yes. But I never hear swearing in my local Sainsburys or M&S, or even little Tesco.

That must be because where you live, they're not just people, they're m&s people.

usernother · 10/11/2024 06:35

@CallMeCrazyButIDontLikeStoreBoughtPesto
LOL. Anywhere in public. The street, a restaurant, big Tesco, little Tesco. Surely you’ve heard people swear… in public? The mind does indeed boggle.

No, where I live people don't routinely swear in public. In pubs and clubs, yes. But I never hear swearing in my local Sainsburys or M&S, or even little Tesco.

ForAvidQuail · 09/11/2024 22:39

UseRealWords · 08/11/2024 11:18

I don’t think it needs discussing really. Because most good parents at least try not to swear in front of young children. It should not need stating in advance. Lots of things have to change when you have kids; they don’t need signing off before conception.

Im a good mum I think and my sister is the best social worker who swears like a gutter rat I don’t think much needs to change when you have kids obviously you can’t party but I never did but now i do and with my kids at home in the navy is our song right now 😂 they don’t make them anymore

CallMeCrazyButIDontLikeStoreBoughtPesto · 09/11/2024 21:49

usernother · 09/11/2024 20:44

Where on earth did your young child go that she heard swearing in public. And what films was she watching that had swearing in them. The mind boggles. Poor child.

LOL. Anywhere in public. The street, a restaurant, big Tesco, little Tesco. Surely you’ve heard people swear… in public? The mind does indeed boggle.

usernother · 09/11/2024 20:44

CallMeCrazyButIDontLikeStoreBoughtPesto · 09/11/2024 18:19

I'm very sweary and DD was always informed these were bad words and she couldn't use them when she was small. She's an angel so she didn't. They will hear these words everywhere and they do not harm. I did make an effort to reduce my swearing but as I move managed to cut it out entirely and they were said around her in public or in films, it made more sense to make sure she knew they were no words she could say.

However, swearing AT kids and your husbands general other behaviour is a problem.

Where on earth did your young child go that she heard swearing in public. And what films was she watching that had swearing in them. The mind boggles. Poor child.

CallMeCrazyButIDontLikeStoreBoughtPesto · 09/11/2024 18:19

I'm very sweary and DD was always informed these were bad words and she couldn't use them when she was small. She's an angel so she didn't. They will hear these words everywhere and they do not harm. I did make an effort to reduce my swearing but as I move managed to cut it out entirely and they were said around her in public or in films, it made more sense to make sure she knew they were no words she could say.

However, swearing AT kids and your husbands general other behaviour is a problem.

OkPedro · 09/11/2024 15:27

cowandplough · 09/11/2024 12:54

I used to be married to an irish man. The "f" word is part of their vocabulary as in the Police Force and other macho organisations. There is nothing you can do, it's ingrained in them. Sorry but that's the way it is.

Do you or have you ever lived in Ireland??

StopStartStop · 09/11/2024 15:25

Do you mean generally or genuinely btw? I have heard that people mix these up but I have never seen it.
I don't mix them up. If I did, your opinion of that would mean nothing to me.

Saying someone has ‘prissy ways’ is a revolting thing to say
Nonsense. The OP clearly demonstrated that both she and her parents have prissy ways. It's the correct word, look it up. 'Revolting'? Are you sure that's the word you mean?

Nobody I know however swore in front of young kids
Your lack of life experience does not impress me. And, as you are pedantic about words, 'kids' are baby goats. The offspring of human beings are children, even in households where they are raised to imagine that swearing is a greater offence than being rude to your own father.

Are you the kind of person who describes women who don’t like unusual sexual practices as ‘prudes’ too?
Clutching at straws here, I think. Why introduce a new topic? Go back and look at my posts. My opinions on 'unusual sexual practices' are clearly stated there.

People who do not like non-stop swearing ‘turn your stomach’? You must be a fragile sort, for all your swearing!
Prissy people turn my stomach. People who are overly concerned with what they think are 'manners'. Behaviour once found in the lower middle class, or some aspirational working class groups. Those people. The ones who will allow their child to insult her father whilst taking offence at swear words and 'reporting' Daddy to the Health Visitor.

Not fragile at all.

Have you had enough attention now?

Coffeeloverme · 09/11/2024 14:42

How do you get on with the school and is your child swearing at school? There’s really nothing a hv or school can do but give advice on parents language. This might be enough for your dh. The school may want to see BOTH parents if your children are bringing the language into the classroom (which they inevitably will). If that doesn’t help imo you have a serious problem.

Nanny0gg · 09/11/2024 14:24

All the examples of 'adults cand do this and children can't' are nonsense when it comes to swearing

There is no such thing as 'adult language'. Words are words. They are all around us and children pick them up as they are supposed to. So if they constantly hear swearing it becomes perfectly normal to them and to tell them they can't say Fuck or Shit or whatever the word is, till they're older is absolutely ridiculous.

Hearing them once or twice has little impact, but hearing them all the time at home makes them perfectly normal and acceptable and it's ridiculous to expect them to have better control over their use than adults do

HaveToSaySomethingHere · 09/11/2024 14:15

Does he swear in front of his own parents, grandparents, higher ups at work etc? I bet he can turn it off when he wants to.

GiveMeAbitOfSugar · 09/11/2024 14:05

So he swears AT them and your child is terrified of him??

You need to protect your children and leave

peonym · 09/11/2024 14:00

cowandplough · 09/11/2024 12:54

I used to be married to an irish man. The "f" word is part of their vocabulary as in the Police Force and other macho organisations. There is nothing you can do, it's ingrained in them. Sorry but that's the way it is.

You've got to be kidding with this statement. This is so ignorant. It is not ingrained in Irish men to say fuck. Honestly if I see any more Irish bashing on this thread I'm about to lay into the English Lager louts everyone in Europe complains about 🙄

lmoh · 09/11/2024 13:45

As an Irish person and who grew up with Irish parents, I can confirm that swear words were common place. I don’t actually agree with the stigma around swearing.

HOWEVER, it is one thing swearing in general conversation that children might hear and another completely to swear AT children. It sounds very belittling. Also you can’t tell a child off for copying your own behaviour!

blocking you on WhatsApp is childish and petty

Nanny1965 · 09/11/2024 13:24

If he's swearing at the kids.. thats not on. If he's swearing in general I would say they are grown up words and the children should use them till they are grown ups. Leave it at that . If it slips out don't worry just tell them wait till your grown up
Kids will hear it out the house too unfortunately. Chill out and don't open that can of worms officially ffs

cowandplough · 09/11/2024 12:54

I used to be married to an irish man. The "f" word is part of their vocabulary as in the Police Force and other macho organisations. There is nothing you can do, it's ingrained in them. Sorry but that's the way it is.

Molly2023 · 09/11/2024 08:57

This isn't an Irish thing (I'm Irish and no one I knows swears around their children, unless by accident). This is just really bad parenting by your DH as it'll obviously end up getting them in trouble in school etc down the line when they copy him. I doubt reporting it will do anything as it's not anyone's job to tell a grown man to stop cursing 🙈. Not sure what to tell you other than this would drive me crazy too! Did he always swear loads?

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 09/11/2024 06:26

BetterInColour · 08/11/2024 12:27

Studies show that more intelligent people can generate more words of any variety, including swear words. It doesn't mean the swearing per se is linked to intelligence, the ability to code-switch and use a large variety of words is evidence of that.

Most people can stop swearing if they want, but some can't or struggle with that, which is what this little girl did and then got told off for it by an aggressive dad who swears at them all day. Horrible.

It's also the case (IMO) that people who are m-c and swear tend to be perceived as less aggressive and just a bit taboo-breaking than your local person who lives on the streets. Swearing interacts with other markers of status, so m-c swearers are less likely to be affected by their swearing, same as being a bit scruffy or whatever. They don't pay the same social penalty for swearing and so for them, it's kind of fun and taboo, for some other kids growing up, it's a highly disadvantageous environment which isn't enhancing their linguistic or social chances whatsoever.

Thank you. The "swearing is a sign of intelligence" trope which gets trotted out here is tedious.

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