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To think primary schools now days are more misogynistic amongst the boys, than in the past?

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Thatcastlethere · 07/11/2024 19:23

I hate to be all 'back in the good old days' and tbh I don't even think it was that great in the past... I think I just expected it to be better now days.
But am I wrong for feeling like there's been a massive upsurge in misogynistic feeling amongst primary age boys?
My two eldest are at primary school. It's a state school but it's regarded as a good school in a very middle class area. It's also considered a faintly hippy/alternative place.
Yet some of the things I've seen and heard regarding my 9yo son and my 6yo daughters experiences at school have really shocked me.
My son for example uses all this language 'sigma' 'alpha' etc... well he did until I explained to him that it was harmful macho nonsense. He's also asked me about andrew tate and trump etc as these people seem to be hero's for some of his male friends. These boys are 9!!
My son doesn't have unsupervised access to the Internet. And the access he does have is limited to one hour on his tablet in the living room on weekend days. During which he just plays roblox and Minecraft. We have disabled YouTube from the TV and he is not allowed YouTube on his tablet.. yet he still seems to come across endless misogynistic content at school somehow.
My son is a sweet boy imo and he forms his own opinions.. he was telling me how he disliked andrew tate for example, without me even having said anything
So it's not that I'm worried about him absorbing these ideas.. it's just a bit concerning that it's so prevalent!
I've also overheard some of his friends in the park sating horrific things about girls and women. Once I even heard one of them threatening to punch a girl. I did step in at this and told him it was disgusting and the boy did look faintly ashamed at least.
Has anyone else noticed this?
Also my 6yo has been subject to comments on her appearance by boys! Already at 6!
I'm sure it wasn't quite this bad wen I was at school or perhaps I just didn't notice?
My husband is a fair bit older than me and was also remarking that he never knew anything like this at school..
Altho obviously misogyny was alive and well when we were kids.. you just never really heard this so directly

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Mlanket · 07/11/2024 20:59

We'd all be pretty naive to see how popular a man like Trump has been to young men in America and think that a significant number of young men over here won't also believe that they are being under represented and marginalised.

Hes popular with plenty of women….

Michelle12A · 07/11/2024 20:58

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/11/2024 20:51

Me? Control their opinions? Do you have teenagers?🤣🤣🤣

They know what rape is. They know what rapists do. And they don't admire them. But you go ahead and teach your sons whatever @Michelle12A. I can't stop you being part of the problem. On your own back be it.🤷‍♀️

You clearly that you are against them supporting him… Nothing more controlling than that whatever their opinions may be.

sunshine244 · 07/11/2024 20:55

I've actually noticed the opposite. Boys and girls wearing less stereotyped clothing for example. When I was a kid (in my early 40s now) there was no way on earth a boy would have worn pink or sparkles, or a girl blue. Kids are much more tolerant about what others wear now. Same with hobbies - lots of female footballers at our school etc.

Mine are 10 and 8 and the only thing I've heard said about Trump is how horrible some of his behaviour and policies are. We've discussed women's rights, abortion, racism and all sorts of things and they are highly aware of equality. Far more than I was at that age.

My kids watch YouTube etc but it's all harmless- minecraft, lego etc.

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/11/2024 20:51

Michelle12A · 07/11/2024 20:42

Well maybe they aren’t keep on you controlling their opinions.

Me? Control their opinions? Do you have teenagers?🤣🤣🤣

They know what rape is. They know what rapists do. And they don't admire them. But you go ahead and teach your sons whatever @Michelle12A. I can't stop you being part of the problem. On your own back be it.🤷‍♀️

PuddlePeeps · 07/11/2024 20:49

We'd all be pretty naive to see how popular a man like Trump has been to young men in America and think that a significant number of young men over here won't also believe that they are being under represented and marginalised. I know several of my son's peer group (whose parents would be absolutely shocked) express positive things about Andrew Tate, and unfortunately he does impress a lot of them. My sons claim they don't like him / aren't impressed but I think it would be pretty naive to assume they are saying the same things to their friends. It's something I think everyone needs to be properly aware of, and not assume this is some other class of boys other than their sons.

Nespressso · 07/11/2024 20:47

@Username9898 I have a 4 yo DD, she already comes home from school (reception) and says things like “girls can’t be friends with boys, I can’t play with X because girls don’t play with boys” “why is that lady wearing boys clothes”

I have absolutely no idea where she gets this from as I actively try and encourage her to like/play with all different things and correct her when she says things like this.

BaggyClout · 07/11/2024 20:45

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Mlanket · 07/11/2024 20:45

But they are a reflection of society I guess

Mlanket · 07/11/2024 20:44

I find it alarming how over sexualised kids are, one of my relatives is constantly mimicking female celebs on insta pouting, staring down the camera, etc she’s 8!!!! No idea why she even has social media.

Michelle12A · 07/11/2024 20:42

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/11/2024 20:37

I'm not at all keen on my sons admiring a rapist and repeat sex offender against women. I don't care if he is the POTUS.Hmm

Well maybe they aren’t keep on you controlling their opinions.

fruitbrewhaha · 07/11/2024 20:42

Jesus, it’s not something I’m experiencing with my girls but let’s face it Trump has just got into power again after referring to a fellow politician as a bitch. It’s everywhere.

Dramatic · 07/11/2024 20:41

Valhalla17 · 07/11/2024 19:46

I know what the OP is describing @Combattingthemoaners

I have a ds, he mentioned Tate to me once as he had heard about it from kids at school. We discussed it, he reflected for a few minutes and moved on. That was it. I understand the prevalence of these topics coming up but it's not boys to blame, it's social media and easy access to the world and warped views across a myriad of topics. Boys and girls are all impacted by this and their minds are being influenced by all sorts of things.

I'm just a bit fed up of the constant boy bashing on here to be frank.

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What are you talking about? It's not boy bashing at all 🙄

RedToothBrush · 07/11/2024 20:38

If you have a nine year old talking about Andrew Tate you report it to school as a safeguarding concern.

The end.

TheFreaksShallInheritTheEarth · 07/11/2024 20:38

Some twenty years ago, I was talking to my Year 2 class and mentioned I had a motorbike. Shortly after, one of the boys said to a couple of others (whilst mining holding onto handlebars) "This is Mrs Freaks on her motorbike... 'Aaargh! How do you stop this thing!!!" They all laughed.

Not misogyny perhaps, but certainly sexism. At six. I guess they must have learnt it at home.

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/11/2024 20:37

chumpt · 07/11/2024 20:17

Andrew tate is alarming. Maybe have a chat with teacher? Trump is not that bad. I’d rather my kid to think trump is idle than Angela Rayner.

I'm not at all keen on my sons admiring a rapist and repeat sex offender against women. I don't care if he is the POTUS.Hmm

BaggyClout · 07/11/2024 20:30

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fitzwilliamdarcy · 07/11/2024 20:27

chumpt · 07/11/2024 20:17

Andrew tate is alarming. Maybe have a chat with teacher? Trump is not that bad. I’d rather my kid to think trump is idle than Angela Rayner.

I’m pretty sure those aren’t the only two options.

Threeandahalf · 07/11/2024 20:25

I am a teacher. I have noticed a rise in interest in people like trump . Loads of teenage boys thrilled about the result the other day.
Agree with the year 7s making moaning sexual noises in lessons. The girls do not do this.

chumpt · 07/11/2024 20:17

Andrew tate is alarming. Maybe have a chat with teacher? Trump is not that bad. I’d rather my kid to think trump is idle than Angela Rayner.

Combattingthemoaners · 07/11/2024 20:12

Valhalla17 · 07/11/2024 19:46

I know what the OP is describing @Combattingthemoaners

I have a ds, he mentioned Tate to me once as he had heard about it from kids at school. We discussed it, he reflected for a few minutes and moved on. That was it. I understand the prevalence of these topics coming up but it's not boys to blame, it's social media and easy access to the world and warped views across a myriad of topics. Boys and girls are all impacted by this and their minds are being influenced by all sorts of things.

I'm just a bit fed up of the constant boy bashing on here to be frank.

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It isn’t boy bashing to point out an increase is misogyny. No one is saying it is young boys faults but to pretend it isn’t a problem is not helping the issue. We don’t want some young boys to grow up into the types of men we frequently read about on here, we want a better future for young girls and women.

fitzwilliamdarcy · 07/11/2024 20:11

I also think it’s concerning that we can’t discuss misogynistic traits that we’re seeing in young boys without being accused of boy-shaming.

Nobody is saying that boys are born wrong, or are all terrible, we’re saying that they’re mirroring worrying aspects of our society at a young age. Are we just supposed to not comment on it and let it pan out, not do anything to try and stop it, otherwise we’re on a vendetta against boy children?

Freeyourminds · 07/11/2024 20:07

Thatcastlethere · 07/11/2024 19:49

I'm not bashing boys! I have a son.. who is lovely. I'm sure there are many lovely boys. I'm just alarmed that a lot of very young boys are having access to this stuff abd it seems quite a few are accepting it and internalising it.

Completely agree.
This has got nothing to do 'boy bashing’
It’s what people are seeing and experiencing.

Mishmashs · 07/11/2024 20:05

This is very concerning. My 10 year old boy hasn’t mentioned anything like this to me. When around his friends they seem to chat endless nonsense about football, sweets, holidays etc. he is not allowed youtube at all.

Luddite26 · 07/11/2024 20:02

Rumpelstiltskin is an old fairy story.
My issue with it the father arranged for his daughter to marry the king because she can spin straw to gold and the language at the end of the story is the king let's his wife live in his castle.
It is such a horrible story which used to anger me 50 years ago as a child. But why the hell is it still part of the Oxford reading scheme used in schools.
It's got arranged marriage, elements of slavery and domestic abuse all normalised and the king then ALLOWS his wife to live in his castle. It makes me rage!

Username9898 · 07/11/2024 20:00

My DS5 has mainly female friends. He’s not interested in spiderman, football etc which the majority of boys in his class seem to be and so gravitates towards the girls. They do lots of drawing, play imaginary games etc. Added to this he has longish (bottom of ear length) hair and likes bright colours. He frequently tells me that other kids ask him if he is a girl, ask why he likes ‘girl things’… Added to this some of the boys do the whole “girls are babies”, “girls can’t be firefighters” etc etc. I overheard a female friends the other day say “you’re more like a girl really because you like rainbows and boys don’t like rainbows”.
I know this isn’t quite on the same lines as commenting on Andrew Tate but I feel like these attitudes at 5 will lead into that in the future. I just can’t believe that this has started already, he’s 5!! All 5 year olds should like rainbows and not have to worry about filling some kind of fighting, superhero brawling mold.