To think primary schools now days are more misogynistic amongst the boys, than in the past?

Hmmmm....I'm not sure. I remember kiss chase, talk about "snogging" and being punched by the boys at junior school in the late 80s. Also lots of use of the word "gay" as a slur (as well as "fascist", although none of us knew what it meant. While I hear from DS1 that the biggest insult at his school nowadays is "Tory").

DS2 went through a phase of using inappropriate language at primary school (he's autistic) and it was very much picked up on 😳. I had to explain to the head that just because he kept on saying "Balls" he had very much not been exposed to porn, just a combination of his big brother and the constant innuendos on Bake Off, which we watch together 🤦‍♀️ Still, I'm glad they take inappropriate language so seriously.

Yeah I'm aware he's 7 I was responding to someone who also had a 7 year old boy.
There's people on here saying they work in schools and 5-8 year olds love Tate. I'm just saying that's the parents fault for letting them roam the internet unsupervised.

Teenagers are different, Tate will probably be irrelevant by the time mine is a teenager. Internet stars die out quicky. I was a teen in the 10s using the internet so I do know this.

I wouldn't say this is the case, it is the Millennials that have many INCEL types, the most famous being mentioned. Gen X was very much where equality was strived for - loads of sexism but it was confronted more not celebrated. Gen X have mostly brought up Gen Z so I think those attitudes have filtered down. Millennials are more likely to have primary aged children and perhaps this is a reflection of their parents' attitudes.

Are you kidding me? Primary schools are the most namby pampby, kind hands, that's not ok, no bulldog at break times, gymnastics and dance for PE environment on earth. Totally unrewarding for most young boys in my opinion.

Maybe if you are seeing those things, they are a reaction to normal boyness being supressed like it is.

@30percent

Your child is 7. He doesn't know who Andrew Tate is yet but he most certainly will. You won't keep him from social media forever and from the moment he logs in the algorithm will start pushing the violent, harmful content that other teenage boys are watching. If you have a DD, she won't see any of that, she'll be pushed content about make up, dance and music.

None of us are in a bubble, eventually the outer culture will impact him.

I see attitudes like this... on every single dating thread on MN. It's thoroughly depressing that so many women buy into it, and fail to see how insisting on traditional gender roles is the bedrock of our own oppression.

In upper primary the girls seem to be being influenced by things like skin care etc and making them grow up far too fast as well.

I agree with this as well but it's just not comparable to what's happening with "boy culture" there is a violent, angry man culture that will impact all of our boys. And it's difficult to know how to counteract it.

I think there are multiple issues. Firstly I think the y1 curriculum seems to be too much for lots of boys. Reception seems to work well and then rigid learning seems to start quite early and you start to see more boys getting into trouble. It’s been so obvious at the class parties that the girls all listen to entertainers etc and the boys are running around.

That shouldn’t be happening really but something is coming out in the differences in how girls and boys are being raised and the type of play lots are engaging in. I also think our school enforce some of this by having much greater expectations of the girls re behaviours. Boys seem to get away with a lot more. My 8yo is really fed up with some of the aggressive and disruptive behaviour from the boys in her class.

So many of the boys seem to be on first person shooting computer games quite early for example. In some ways the differences between girls and boys in primary seem to be more pronounced than I was ever expecting.in upper primary the girls seem to be being influenced by things like skin care etc and making them grow up far too fast as well.

I used to worry/discuss the rap music of the 00s with my son in a similar way to how I discuss Tate with Grandsons. But the constant social media/YouTube into kids heads is a problem now which makes it easier for kids to ignore what the people who are bringing them up say.
My GS 6 started Reception last year and was battered every day. He's a gentle giant. He refused to go back after Xmas. School chose to victim blame and say boys will be boys etc. this was the son of a lady who had been at school with my DD. It was the same school. Times have changed a lot since the 00s to now. Some parents are too busy on the socials to parent properly. It's very sad.

I completely agree with you. I think there are so many positive female role models for girls. My DD is big into Taylor Swift and can have a good talk with you about lgbtq rights or women's rights. My son is making "your mama's so fat jokes" Instantly corrected by me but I do worry that I'll loose influence eventually. The internet is awash with highly misogynistic young men spreading this stuff.

Can people think of some positive male role models for boys? I'm sure there must be some.

what I couldn’t understand was where it came from? Is it kids watching nasty Andrew Tate stuff and you tube even at that age?! Or violence in the home?

If a reception aged child is punching girls hard enough to leave bruises and forcing them to kiss him then it is much more likely he is seeing and experiencing that behaviour at home than that he has been listening to Andrew Tate or any other social media figure.

Mines the same age he knows who trump is because I told him who won the American election the other day. Nothing wrong with knowing who the current American president is.
He doesn't know who Tate or any of the other internet edgelords, parents who let their kids roam the internet unsupervised are the problem.

There was a bit of this at my school (US) 20 years ago. Nip it in the bud early and send them to the principal's office each time. They'll tire soon enough.

It reads like she means what happens at primary school during break and playtime and general attitudes dc bring to school. It's their primary place to socialise. Not that it's school's fault. Our primary was outstanding, inclusive and pretty brilliant and we had theses problems. It is due to dc spending too much time playing violent age rated games, being on social media in year 3 or 4 and watching copious amounts of YouTube unsupervised. It's brainrot. Combined with a boys will be boys culture in many families. Their boys are never at fault.

I’ve just removed my 4 year old reception daughter and sent her to new school.

It wasn’t just becaise of mysogeny as such, but was because of aggressive and inappropriate behaviour of a boy and his followers against the girls - and the school’s weak attitude towards it.

I had been super keen to sent my daughter to a friendly liberal school, but it’s basically been a hotbed of boys cornering girls and punching them in stomach, generally kicking and hitting (to the point of significant bruising) and a recent sinister turn of girls being physically grabbed and restrained and then kissed.

I do not think this is normal behaviour and didn’t like schools “boys will be boys” attitude and so just got her out. None of this at new school thankfully!

what I couldn’t understand was where it came from? Is it kids watching nasty Andrew Tate stuff and you tube even at that age?! Or violence in the home?

Try the unicorns in Skandar and the unicorn thief!

OP are you saying that this is schools fault? That they are being taught these things? Or are you saying that they are hearing them from their peers in the playground? It's not very clear from your thread title and post.

10/26 in my dc year 9 form raised their hand to vote for trump in a mock classroom election. Only about 3/26 raised their hand saying they wouldn't vote for him, this included dc, the rest refused to say.

Younger dc is in year 7. All through primary, out of control boys have spoilt things. Badly behaved, can't sit still, back chatting to the teacher and acting like alpha males owning the school. These were not dc with ADHD, we are very familiar with ADHD and the dc are often very lovely and any out of control behaviour regretted more often than not. It's boys with very lax parenting. They all played fortnight, stayed up late at night and their parents didn't instil kindness, self respect and self control in them, they left them to run wild.

There is some extremely aggressive, hostile, arrogant and intimidating behaviour from a whole lot of boys in year 7 this year, more than with my older dc. Of course there are dozens of good, well brought up boys but a parenting stance of boys will be boys and not having firm boundaries when they are out of control is extremely prevalent. Some of the dads and older siblings will be into Tate and porn , they pass their inherent attitudes on.

I love the bit in CS Lewis' Narnia where a girl absolutely 'falls in love' with the unicorn and the author is quite clear that it's because she hasn't seen him in battle with his four hoofs, bite plus sharp horn! Did they have sparkly unicorn toys in the 30s? If not, he was maybe seeing the future...

Go Jetters have a unicorn which isn't sparkly and ridiculous.

But definitely misogyny has become mainstreamed and it’s creeping into the parlance of children even if I’m not sure that they know what it means. An 8 year old was suspended at our school for giving another child a sweet to show him her “breasts” and making other sexualised comments, telling his teacher she liked her gyatt. There’s chatter about Tate and Trump in the playground. DS is in the room when we’re watching the news so he knows that Tate is accused of rape and sex trafficking and all the crazy shit that has come out of Donald Trumps mouth; because we’ve had to talk things through.

It’s pretty depressing. I think it’s normal for a bit of silliness about gender roles when you are children but what’s happening at the moment is so much worse.

Agree completely. It's very tiresome and dim.

My son is a beautiful, kind, and wonderful little boy. My fears re misogyny and Andrew Tate bollocks come from a place of worry and concern for HIM as much as anything else.

Hmmmm… my DS loves football but also has female best friends. The result of his school enacting this (boys can play on Mondays Tuesday/girls can play Wednesday/Thursdays) was they were not allowed to play together anymore. Even if the girls said they wanted him there on their days the school enforced it.

It seems utterly ridiculous to me. Isn’t it better that we encourage children to play in a less gendered way and encourage everyone to on than reinforce that they are separate?

Haha yes it ends with the girls winning and changing the rhyme.

It's an out of date pile of shit. No place for it in children's education.