TW death etc I think it’s a conspiracy theory but I’m afraid to google!

There will never be experimental data available in the case of pregnant mothers. What we do have is years of observational data now, of women being vaccinated without evidence of harm vs non-vaccination. Most pregnant women are happy to be vaccinated as a result.

I had myocarditis in 2020, caused by covid before vaccines were available.

Myocarditis was discovered in c.1900 btw - well, it had obviously been around a lot longer but it became a known, named condition.

Eh?

I understand perfectly thanks. There's an absence of data. So, surely in that instance, it's better for people to err on the side of caution and not have it until such a time that there IS no longer an 'absence of data.

Otherwise, what's the alternative? Pregnant mother takes the jab and it DOES actually harm herself and/or the baby. Seriously? Why would you take such an unnecessary risk?

Wow! 😲

You obviously think you have a superior understanding, yet you cannot comprehend the meaning of the collection of words you are reading.

It says a lot about the type of person you are that your style of debating includes accusing people of ‘full on mental illness’. Despicable.

The Myocarditus Foundation in the US was set up in 2005.

Ah I get you.

But it’s not new. Which your post suggested it was.

And also cases of myocarditis has been rising, year on year, for many years.i this was happening before 2021.

I am on the fence about the vaccine but not sure I can agree with your statements.

And I think on this sort of subject we need to be explicit.

Cardiac problems in the young started before 2020. The charity CRY (Cardiac Risk in the Young) was set up in 1995. Possible we hear about it more due to social media , and before it would have been noted as ‘natural causes’, rather than a heart condition.

Myocarditis has always been around. Just the rates at which we're seeing it now has substantially increased. xx

Wow, you lot really are brainwashed aren't you!?

I honestly cannot imagine what it's like being presented with a clearly worded report from the official UK government that LITERALLY says the words in black and white:
'Safe use of the vaccine in pregnant women cannot be provided at the present time' and 'Women who are breastfeeding should also not be vaccinated' yet STILL calling it 'misinformation' and 'a conspiracy theory'.

I mean, seriously? Totally disregarding a clear statement of fact from an official govt source - not some 'random' on YouTube - yet scouring through the rest of the document to find the one, more convoluted reference that might, in the most miniscule way, add the tiniest bit of weight to your argument? At best that's totally desperate, at worst it's full-on mental illness.
Yet WE are the conspiracy theorists!?
😂😂😂😂
Yeah, we're definitely done here.

Myocarditis has only been around since 2021?

Are you sure about that?

Coronaviruses have been around since the 1960s.
Myocarditis has only been heard of since 2021. This answers it for me without a load of scientific jargon.

There is indeed evidence that myocarditis and other cardiac issues have increased since 2020.

Here's my question - how do we find out if this increase is caused predominantly by the covid vaccine, rather than by covid itself?

Of course it has.

How convenient for you.

Thats handy isn't it?
You make all these ridiculous claims but can't provide evidence because of even more conspiracy. Maybe Aliens or Unicorns or pixies killed "all those young footballers"? We have no way of knowing because "they" will hide the proof.

When will people realise that the absence of evidence isn't evidence in itself?

You won't find links because its been swept under the carpet. The point is, myocarditis is way more common now after the Vax rollout. Amongst other things. I know of people who died within days of having the second shot, and a close friends started having seizures shortly after. But of course it MUST be a coincidence.

That was two nights ago, and I didn’t engage with that particular poster any further. Surely in all your superiority you picked up on that? Or are you that same poster under a different name? Either way, shame there’s no cure for stupid. I might as well talk to a wall. I’d get more sense out of it. Ciao! 😘

I haven't read the full thread as it's gone wildly off topic but thought I'd add this. My taxi driver in Dublin last week had spent 12 years as a 'freelance embalmer' - which is definitely a thing in Ireland where rural areas have no need for a full-time member of staff doing it. He recently got out of that work but one thing he did say that was interesting was that it was becoming a more difficult job to get right because all the medication people take to keep them alive these days, can react with the embalming chemicals in unexpected ways. He said he'd seen people go very strange colours when he embalmed them, and some medication they'd been taking when they died reacted!
This was happening pre-Covid, so isn't related to Covid or vaccines, but developed over the 12 years he was working.

Not sure if that's of interest @SensibleSigma !

You literally said a few posts up that you wouldn't be engaging any further 🤣

The tide is turning, Idaho in America has banned six counties from giving out the Covid jabs.

Let's hope the ball keeps rolling.

ALL those young footballers?
How many young footballers exactly dropped down dead and had their death proven to be due to the vaccine by properly qualifed medical professionals? and please quote your source.

How ironic, you bang on about ‘critical thought’ when none of you would have a clue what critical thought actually entailed if it slapped you in the fucking face 🤣🤣🤣 it’s just some buzz word you’ve picked up from others saying it online, along with ‘cognitive dissonance’. You’re all so delusional that it’s quite concerning how far a lot of people’s mental health has sunk since COVID. It really is. We no longer value intelligence, fact and reasoning. Now it’s just any old sod thinking they’re experts with their 1 GCSE.

I won’t be engaging any further, it’s pretty pointless as you are totally incapable of understanding any view point past your own delusions, that’s how intelligent you all are. Believe what you want, you do anyway. As I said previous, it’s a wonder you don’t believe in unicorns, Santa or the Easter Bunny. Good day 😊

4.6 Fertility, pregnancy and lactation
Pregnancy
There is limited experience with use of the COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2in pregnant women. Animal studies do not indicate direct or indirect harmful effects with respect to pregnancy, embryo/foetal development, parturition or post-natal development (see section 5.3). Administration of the COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 in pregnancy should only be considered when the potential benefits outweigh any potential risks for the mother and foetus.
Breast-feeding
It is unknown whether the COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 is excreted in human milk.
Fertility
Animal studies do not indicate direct or indirect harmful effects with respect to reproductive toxicity (see section 5.3).

@Jumpingthruhoops As @HippoCamping and @Hoppinggreen point out it clearly states the reason is lack of data, not any specific safety concerns. I also clicked through the provided link which led me to the above - and multiple ongoing studies show that the potential benefits DO outweigh any potential risks for the mother and foetus.

@Abhannmor sorry to hear your brother had myocarditis too, hope he has made a full recovery. I also don’t know anybody who has had any adverse side effects from the vaccine. I unfortunately do know several antivaxxers who swallow hook line and sinker everything charlatans like John Campbell and Barbara O’Neill say. Strangely enough it was one of these people who was very unwell with covid - but when recovered she came up with some batshit theory as to why she was affected so badly, despite dosing herself with ivermectin (yes,really!) and naturally it didn’t have anything to do with the fact she was unvaccinated. As I said, I don’t care whether people choose not to have the vaccine - it’s their choice. I hate the way these people spread misinformation which unfortunately can prevent others from making an informed choice.