TW death etc I think it’s a conspiracy theory but I’m afraid to google!

for myself, yes I do.

The advice from Pfizer was due to lack of Data as the vaccine had not been around for long, the link I provided is more recent. This advice is up to date and provided by the British goverment
And if you consider The Royal college of Gynaecologists and Obstetricians not to actually be experts then who would you cite instead?

Do you think there's a greater chance of being harmed by the covid vaccine than by covid itself?

So, do you trust Pfizer or not? You’re not being logical at all, are you? This is the thing with you lot, on the one hand, you say Pfizer are in on the big conspiracy, can’t be trusted because they’re one of the elites, big pharma, they will say whatever suits them. Then on the other hand, you are believing what they say because it suits what you want it to. You cannot call yourself intelligent if you are not capable of balanced thought. You can’t just pick and choose what you believe Willy Nilly.

@Jumpingthruhoops

Not because of safety concerns - because it has only just been rolled out and they were waiting for more data?

What on earth are you talking about!?

You can share what you like from these 'experts': the document I shared is from ACTUAL PFIZER about it's own ACTUAL PRODUCT!?
I reckon Pfizer itself trounces on any of those experts in this scenario... ya know... since it actually makes the product these experts are referring to.

And, in said document, the most recent update for which I downloaded just YESTERDAY, STILL says what it said when the update was first issued in 2022, which is that:

Safe use of the vaccine in pregnant women cannot be provided at the present time' and 'Women who are breastfeeding should also not be vaccinated'.

Honestly, you lot are so far gone it's frightening.

@Jumpingthruhoops

1. you’ve linked advice from 2020 when the vaccine was first being rolled out
2. it clearly, clearly states that the advice was due to insufficient data at the time - and NOT due to safety concerns.

You haven’t addressed this?

See post by@Hoppinggreen - the current official guidance on vaccination in pregnancy.

Advice from actual qualified medical experts

COVID-19 vaccination: a guide on pregnancy and breastfeeding - GOV.UK

no it doesn't.....

"Safe use of the vaccine in pregnant women cannot be provided at the present time' and 'Women who are breastfeeding should also not be vaccinated'

So you mean you’re such an all knowing intellect that you took me laughing at you as me getting my knickers in a twist? 🤣 you keep telling yourself that. The level of utter delusion is palpable. Calling everybody else mentally ill and ignorant. Not only do you appear to have the self awareness and cognitive ability of young child, but also the terminology of one, too, if you frequently use ‘Karen’ as an insult

Official guidance clearly states that pregnant women should be vaccinated. I sincerely hope that anybody, pregnant or otherwise, considering vaccination listens to health practitioners rather than a random on the internet.

Your misinterpretation of facts IS misinformation. You are taking one sentence and continually quoting that when the document clearly states ‘unless the benefits outweigh the risks’. Data to date clearly shows the benefits do outweigh the risks.

I am not going to engage with you any further. Frankly I do think you are despicable - I am happy to engage in civilised debate, you are clearly not interested in this and resort to insults and accusations of mental illness.

I’m sure you will reply to this, I’m happy to let you have the last word as I place absolutely no value on your words.

Read your post back - if women err on the side of caution and don’t get vaccinated until such time as there is no longer an absence of data…..if nobody gets vaccinated there would continue to be an absence of data!

So then that's an obvious Catch 22 situation isnt it. And basically, pregnant women are knowingly being guinea pigs?

Data to date points to the fact that adverse side effects in pregnant women are incredibly rare. Data also shows that pregnant women are at much greater risk of severe Covid infection, and also that covid infection in pregnancy significantly increases the risk of premature birth. This is why official government advice is that pregnant women should be vaccinated- the benefits outweigh the risks.

Wrong. That was the govt's advice initially. In 2022, when the first batch of Pfizer data WAS released, this data was updated with the above clear statement in plain English.

And since people are always encouraged to seek out official data, they are more likely to base any decision they make on this, rather than what some random like you says on the internet.

"Why are people so dumb about a bloody vaccine? If you’d rather have the disease then go for it 🙄"

yes, I would much much rather have the disease which has a miniscule chance of harming me rather than the injection

This.

Vaccines have saved millions of lives since started. So much rubbish written about some vaccines.

Conspiracy theorists are having a field day with social media and so many believe an assortment of bizarre things because 'it was on Tic tok, X or instadope.

And that is also why people who do not understand Data should not make wild claims backed up with it.

Read your post back - if women err on the side of caution and don’t get vaccinated until such time as there is no longer an absence of data…..if nobody gets vaccinated there would continue to be an absence of data!

Data to date points to the fact that adverse side effects in pregnant women are incredibly rare. Data also shows that pregnant women are at much greater risk of severe Covid infection, and also that covid infection in pregnancy significantly increases the risk of premature birth. This is why official government advice is that pregnant women should be vaccinated- the benefits outweigh the risks.

And that IS their choice. But the official line, as per this document, is not to. So those pregnant women are doing so at their own risk. A risk that I'm not sure many would want to take.

Just calling it for what it is.
So, according to you, I can't call someone with cognitive dissonance 'mentally unwell'? Yet you can psychologically manipulate/gaslight me into believing that I 'cannot comprehend the meaning of the collection of words you are reading' when those words literally say: 'Women who are breastfeeding should also not be vaccinated'.
I mean, how much clearer do you need it?

Whatever. You do you. But don't you dare call facts printed in black and white from an official govt source 'misinformation'.

Yes, as I said, myocarditis and other cardiac issues have increased since 2020. Hence my question - how can we know that the increase was specifically due to the covid vaccine, and not due to covid itself? There's a lot of literature about the impact covid infections can have on cardiac health.

Really?

Look up the official data for any medicine and you will find the same wording regarding it's use in pregnant women even those that have been used for many years by obstetricians.
COVID and other vaccines are given on risk versus benefit assessed by people who have to read all the evidence (been there done that signed on the dotted line) and not by social media butterflies.
There are so many things that pregnant women do that put the baby at risk - driving cars and being around small children with infections being the main ones.
Perhaps the alleged increase in clots etc is due to the microchips that were injected with the first round of COVID vaccination

There is unlikely to ever be evidence of the danger/lack of danger to pregnant women because its completely unethical to do clinical trials on them for most drugs - pregnant women are cautioned on virtually every drug leaflet out there.
What researchers do is look at the risk of being unvaccinated (known) and the risk of not being vaccinated (partly known due to animal and invitro testing) and make a clear and reasoned statement on whether its best to be vaccinated
So you really don't understand - you make wild claims with no substance quoting either crackpots or reputable sources but incorrectly and when challenged for actual evidence you can't provide it due to a "cover up".
As I said I really don't care what an individual chooses to put in their own body if they fully understand why they should or shouldn't do so BUT it really annoys me when people state this utter claptrap with misplaced confidence as it may stop other people saving themselves from serious illness or death.

Myocarditis has been around for way, way longer than three years. Who told you that it's only been heard about since 2021? What else did they lie to you about?