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TW death etc I think it’s a conspiracy theory but I’m afraid to google!

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SensibleSigma · 07/11/2024 17:10

someone was telling me about embalmers having to pull ‘stuff’ out of the veins since Covid/vaxines.

My natural instinct is to declare it total guff. Generally I’d use snopes or similar. But I don’t want to read conspiracy nonsense!

Are we experiencing unusual deaths since Covid/vaccines? I have a relative with an unexpected, unusual heart condition.
Could anyone oblige with actual information rather than conspiracy theories? To be honest I think I am being v v unreasonable to ask but I’m mulling on it.

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Aibuforthisthought · 12/11/2024 03:35

Teenbiscuit

I wouldn't bother. Apart from the amusement factor some posters are so deluded that they know more than scientists who've spent a lifetime in their field because they've 'done their research' (social media) and so far down the rabbit hole or up their own ass it's pointless. Sad thing is they spread their misinformation and misunderstanding around to others.

Teanbiscuits33 · 12/11/2024 00:26

Jumpingthruhoops · 12/11/2024 00:16

That's quite the character assassination.
Dangerous!? That's a new one. Never been called that before. And mildly amusing since you're the one who's been pushing a medical procedure that's actually proven to be dangerous 😂😂

I might be all of those things. I also sleep soundly in my bed at night knowing I've hopefully stopped even just one person coming to harm. Can you say the same? 🤔 Happy stalking! 👍

All medical procedures have an element of risk. Hope you don’t need to see a doctor for treatment in the near future else you will need to refuse, and tell that doctor who has spent 10+ years in medical school etc, that he or she is wrong, because you, oh wise one, are well informed from the school of social media. Your lack of understanding or qualifications don’t matter one iota, don’t cha know? 🤣

If your posts are anything to go by, I would say my character assessment is bang on. Pretty obvious to me. Nighty night. Your brains need a rest.

Jumpingthruhoops · 12/11/2024 00:16

Teanbiscuits33 · 11/11/2024 23:49

People like you deserve contempt as you are dangerous, and people could be here for hours trying to reason with you (as many have tried, and given very intelligent and well thought out arguments)and you could be shown a million pieces of evidence that categorically proves that your arguments are illogical and you STILL wouldn’t have it, no matter what. You have to be correct, because admitting you’re even slightly wrong does not align with your delusions of grandeur and hurts your little feelings.

You’re quite the narcissist. You’ve spent all of this thread using deflection and projection tactics, acting extremely over confident, and on other threads you have played the victim when challenged by others.

Your deliberate misinterpretation of information and deliberate spreading of it is dangerous. You haven’t got a clue what you’re on about. I’ve read the other threads and they’ve been quite the entertainment, so it’s not all bad ❤️

That's quite the character assassination.
Dangerous!? That's a new one. Never been called that before. And mildly amusing since you're the one who's been pushing a medical procedure that's actually proven to be dangerous 😂😂

I might be all of those things. I also sleep soundly in my bed at night knowing I've hopefully stopped even just one person coming to harm. Can you say the same? 🤔 Happy stalking! 👍

Teanbiscuits33 · 12/11/2024 00:04

Jumpingthruhoops · 12/11/2024 00:03

Do I trust the very pharmaceutical company forced to pay the largest healthcare fraud settlement in history ($2.3 billion)? No, I do not.

That's precisely why, when that same company releases an updated official document (under duress!) stating their product is not suitable for pregnant women, after saying all along it was, I'm inclined to believe them.

K. Whatever.

Jumpingthruhoops · 12/11/2024 00:03

Teanbiscuits33 · 11/11/2024 14:25

So, do you trust Pfizer or not? You’re not being logical at all, are you? This is the thing with you lot, on the one hand, you say Pfizer are in on the big conspiracy, can’t be trusted because they’re one of the elites, big pharma, they will say whatever suits them. Then on the other hand, you are believing what they say because it suits what you want it to. You cannot call yourself intelligent if you are not capable of balanced thought. You can’t just pick and choose what you believe Willy Nilly.

Do I trust the very pharmaceutical company forced to pay the largest healthcare fraud settlement in history ($2.3 billion)? No, I do not.

That's precisely why, when that same company releases an updated official document (under duress!) stating their product is not suitable for pregnant women, after saying all along it was, I'm inclined to believe them.

Teanbiscuits33 · 11/11/2024 23:49

Jumpingthruhoops · 11/11/2024 23:27

You do realise I’ve simply enjoyed taking the piss don’t you, and watching you get annoyed at being challenged?

Oh yes, realised quite early on. You've been doing it to everyone on here who even vaguely disagrees with you since you're so unable to discuss anything like an adult.
Also, you might actually want to read your above comment back. What part of the tone of that doesn't come across as bullying? Classic MN Mean Girl. Go you! 👍

People like you deserve contempt as you are dangerous, and people could be here for hours trying to reason with you (as many have tried, and given very intelligent and well thought out arguments)and you could be shown a million pieces of evidence that categorically proves that your arguments are illogical and you STILL wouldn’t have it, no matter what. You have to be correct, because admitting you’re even slightly wrong does not align with your delusions of grandeur and hurts your little feelings.

You’re quite the narcissist. You’ve spent all of this thread using deflection and projection tactics, acting extremely over confident, and on other threads you have played the victim when challenged by others.

Your deliberate misinterpretation of information and deliberate spreading of it is dangerous. You haven’t got a clue what you’re on about. I’ve read the other threads and they’ve been quite the entertainment, so it’s not all bad ❤️

Jumpingthruhoops · 11/11/2024 23:27

Teanbiscuits33 · 11/11/2024 19:45

I think you’ll find it was you @Jumpingthruhoops that I was talking to at around 2:30am, I’ve just gone back and double checked. Considering you love accusing people of gaslighting you, you seem to have got that trait down to perfection. Unless of course the other poster is you under a different user name and you have got confused? You certainly have very similar posting styles.

I have absolutely zero respect for your opinion. You do realise I’ve simply enjoyed taking the piss don’t you, and watching you get annoyed at being challenged? Don’t like being challenged do you? On other threads which I looked at for a bit of a laugh, you have confidently and arrogantly spouted bullshit as fact and then claimed you were being bullied 🤣. Narcissistic or what? 🤣 you certainly know how to play the victim when things don’t go your way!

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You do realise I’ve simply enjoyed taking the piss don’t you, and watching you get annoyed at being challenged?

Oh yes, realised quite early on. You've been doing it to everyone on here who even vaguely disagrees with you since you're so unable to discuss anything like an adult.
Also, you might actually want to read your above comment back. What part of the tone of that doesn't come across as bullying? Classic MN Mean Girl. Go you! 👍

alottobedone · 11/11/2024 21:18

Notmoog · 11/11/2024 17:13

"The risk of complications from Covid are far, far greater than risk of complications from the vaccine"

not if you are under 70, not obese and are otherwise healthy

What you are saying here is wrong in relation to quite a few areas. It was your choice to not have the vaccine. But quite a lot of what you have said is factually incorrect/badly informed. As quite a few posters have already explained.

The vaccines did drive down transmission/reduced symptoms on transmission, i am not sure why you think they didn't?

Marmunia10667 · 11/11/2024 20:47

Who remembers that one of the symptoms of COVID-19 was not having any symptoms? 🙃

"Hi Doctor, I think I'm ill."
"OK, what are your symptoms?"
"Er...I don't have any..."
"But, you said you're ill..."

Abhannmor · 11/11/2024 20:21

Aibuforthisthought · 11/11/2024 16:32

https://us.youtubers.me/dr-john-campbell/youtube-estimated-earnings

The more they post and the more people watch his stuff the more he earns. There is lots of money in conspiracy theories. Big bucks. Enough to motivated to keep on producing videos for the channel

Thanks for the link. I've no idea what he is worth. Just that his viewing figures grew exponentially when he made the video about Ivermectin.

Before that I used to watch his updates on the progress of vaccination , new variants etc. Oddly enough , back then there would be lots of comments - usually from the USA - warning us that he was a shill for big pharmaceutica companies , besides just being ' an old poop nurse ' and not a real doctor of medicine. At one point he was knocking put 2 videos a day.
No wonder he can't be arsed to actually read this stuff! He just gets abstracts and underlines the bits he likes with his magic fountain pen.

Jumpingthruhoops · 11/11/2024 20:16

HippoCamping · 11/11/2024 19:47

The updates - are the linked articles. So where it says updated, you click through to see what the advice is in August 2024.

This is just so basic! @Jumpingthruhoops

And if you are misinterpreting this so easily, AND just trying to ‘style it out’ / rather than admit your mistake, thank f@@k no one’s really listening to your vaccine musings!!

(Apart from other erm let’s say misinformed people. I can think of better words)!

No, that's where you are misinterpreting it.

The advice in 2020 was that pregnant women SHOULD absolutely have the jab. Not that they should NOT.

Claiming that this detail hasn't been updated since suggests that the 2020 advice was that women should NOT because that's what the doc says now.

So this info must have been updated.

Playgroundincident · 11/11/2024 20:03

I'd rather risk the side effects of a vaccine than deal with conspiracy shit. Cousin is a co-op undertaker she is laughing at the load of bull shit that the internet comes up with. She says categorically that she has never had to pull "stuff " out of veins. Other places yes but not veins. 😂

Jumpingthruhoops · 11/11/2024 20:03

Notmoog · 11/11/2024 18:16

so it's just a difference in risk assessment.
I also assumed I would get a mild case as I am generally fit and healthy and i was right.
I also assume I have natural immunity as I probably caught covid at least twice (* based on symptoms as I never tested) and as that gives much wider protection than the very targeted injections I concluded the injections would be of no benefit to me but as with all medical substances they contain an element of risk.
I think a lot of the difference in opinion stems from this.
How that then turns into people being called tin foil hatters and accused of believing the vaccine contains chips i don't know.

👏👏❤️

Playgroundincident · 11/11/2024 20:00

I'm not sure why people ask other people to Google something that they could do themselves. It's like when people on local area forums ask what time x shop is open .......Google is your friend.

Jumpingthruhoops · 11/11/2024 20:00

HippoCamping · 11/11/2024 16:24

@theemmadilemma

All vaccines have a risk.

It’s about whether the risk from the virus and complications from the virus are higher than the risk of taking the vaccine.

The risk of complications from Covid are far, far greater than risk of complications from the vaccine.

All vaccines have a risk.

Yes, this we've always know. So why on earth they were mandating, coercing, bullying literally every single person on the planet to get this one KNOWING it would harm some people, I will never know.

HippoCamping · 11/11/2024 19:56

85% on this thread agree that this anti vaxx nonsense is bollocks.

Enough said I think!

I’ll leave the hardcore nutters to their little echo chamber.

HippoCamping · 11/11/2024 19:54

That other great anti vaxxer tactic : the swerve. I’ve made a stupid mistake but rather than admit it, I’ll change subject,

Jumpingthruhoops · 11/11/2024 19:52

Notmoog · 11/11/2024 16:04

"Campbell is a very rich man off the back of it"
Not as rich as the exec`s. at Pfizer, AZ etc....

This! It astounds me that people have no issue at all with the fact Pfizer wanted 75 YEARS to release their data.

Yup, that's definitely the attitude of a company that has great faith in its product... 🤔

HippoCamping · 11/11/2024 19:47

The updates - are the linked articles. So where it says updated, you click through to see what the advice is in August 2024.

This is just so basic! @Jumpingthruhoops

And if you are misinterpreting this so easily, AND just trying to ‘style it out’ / rather than admit your mistake, thank f@@k no one’s really listening to your vaccine musings!!

(Apart from other erm let’s say misinformed people. I can think of better words)!

Jumpingthruhoops · 11/11/2024 19:45

Notmoog · 11/11/2024 17:20

"It is indeed true that the risks of serious side-effects of a covid infection reduce significantly if you don't have co-morbidities, although it's not zero. But the risks of contracting covid are only half the equation. If you can't quantify the risks presented by the vaccine then you can't conclude that the vaccine represents a greater risk.
So how did you quantify the risks of the vaccine so you could then compare that against the risks of contracting covid?"

exactly the same as how you reached the conclusion to presumably take the injection.
I looked at the stats released by the ONS each week to showed hospitilizations and deaths by age, co morbidities etc. and compared that to the number of vaccine injuries being reported and decided that for me, the benefits of the injection certainly did not outweigh the risks.

As there was, and still is; a lot of fudging of figures around the whole covid event, I would much rather take the one very small risk of getting ill from covid, rather than increase my risk of illness by adding the relatively unknown element of the injections too.
So far, I am very happy with my decision.
In fact, I only personally know of people who have regretted taking the injections; I'm yet to meet someone who regrets not taking them.

Same here. Not a single person I know who didn't have it, regrets it. Meanwhile, I know lots who do, including several who were VERY pro-vax. So the tide is turning.

Teanbiscuits33 · 11/11/2024 19:45

Jumpingthruhoops · 11/11/2024 19:26

Scroll up this page @teanbiscuits . @Cappuccinowithonesugarplease was literally 'that particular poster' you were telling you wouldn't be responding to again.

Make sense of data? You can't even make sense of this thread! 😂😂

I think you’ll find it was you @Jumpingthruhoops that I was talking to at around 2:30am, I’ve just gone back and double checked. Considering you love accusing people of gaslighting you, you seem to have got that trait down to perfection. Unless of course the other poster is you under a different user name and you have got confused? You certainly have very similar posting styles.

I have absolutely zero respect for your opinion. You do realise I’ve simply enjoyed taking the piss don’t you, and watching you get annoyed at being challenged? Don’t like being challenged do you? On other threads which I looked at for a bit of a laugh, you have confidently and arrogantly spouted bullshit as fact and then claimed you were being bullied 🤣. Narcissistic or what? 🤣 you certainly know how to play the victim when things don’t go your way!

HippoCamping · 11/11/2024 19:43

Goodness @Jumpingthruhoops

Do you really not get it??

What you have linked in the text from the 2020 Public Assessment Report.

You can’t just change the wording of the document!!! It clearly states ‘the text remains unchanged’.

The links are where text in that document can now be clarified.

Jumpingthruhoops · 11/11/2024 19:41

Notmoog · 11/11/2024 17:36

you've not actually shown at all how much money he has.
I'd have thought it was easy to find as people often confidently state he has made millions. Just wondering if there is any basis to that?

No one has the first bloody clue how much he earns!

What really cracks me up with critics of people like John Campbell is they haven't engaged their tiny brain enough to ask why someone like him would go out of their way to become deeply unpopular within his own industry becoming the target of censorship, smears and even death threats.

I mean, you just wouldn't do that unless it was for a very good reason.

HippoCamping · 11/11/2024 19:39

The Public Assessment Report was written in 2020. Now it WOULD be a conspiracy if they attempted to rewrite it!!!

@Jumpingthruhoops

Jumpingthruhoops · 11/11/2024 19:36

Hoppinggreen · 11/11/2024 14:57

The link above is from January 2023 and remains unchanged.
UK HSA clearly states

Coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine is strongly recommended for pregnant and breastfeeding women by the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists and the Royal College of Midwives. The COVID-19 vaccines available in the UK are the safest and most effective way to protect you and your baby.
There is evidence that vaccination in pregnancy may help prevent COVID-19 hospital admissions of babies in the first 6 months of life. This is because immunity in the mother can be passed on to the baby in the womb and this offers short-term protection after birth.
Women who are pregnant are classed as in a clinical risk group within the COVID-19 vaccine programme. Unvaccinated women who become pregnant are strongly encouraged to have their first 2 doses of the vaccine. Women who are pregnant and have previously been vaccinated should have a booster dose this autumn.

Not a lot of ambiguity there

The link I shared yesterday - updated just a few months back - says the complete opposite.
But, as I said, you do you.