TW death etc I think it’s a conspiracy theory but I’m afraid to google!

I made a factual comment. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. Yet to actually respond with a link.to the said research paper about the claims made. Therefore, she might have just made it up (as many do).

I robustly challenge what has been claimed. That's how things work in science. I'm challenging the poster's claims.

there is a risk due to covid, there is a risk due to the vaccine.
Why double your risk by having the injections?

no, that wasn't a reasonable request. that was an excuse to be incredibly rude and i get the feeling whatever is linked would be disregarded ( unless it came from a beacon of scientific excellence such as the BBC, which you would bizarrely accept)

What you have linked clearly says

‘Research shows that Covid-19 itself is much more likely to cause myocarditis than the vaccine.’

So the question ‘how do you know the rise in myocarditis is down to the vaccine and not down to Covid 19?’ seems to have been answered. By you.

You don’t know.

@Notmoog doesn't change the reasonableness of the request. I've actually tried to find a research paper by a professor of the name given on the topic mentioned, and can't find anything. So unless that poster can link to the research they mention, whatever they say about it can be disregarded as it's not possible to check what they're saying is accurate, relevant, etc etc.

you could maybe be a bit ruder and more patronising if you really put your mind to it

Please share the research paper that you refer to. That's generally how it's done. You make a claim and add a link to the paper you say you are quoting from. Then people can read what you say. People often misinterpret information.

The burden of proof is on those making the claims. Would be lovely to see some links to back up the various claims made? Say it, prove it? That's generally how it works; not, say it then tell everyone else to go find what you claim. You obviously haven't studied at least at university level, have you?

Al of this.

The trust the science brigade can't bear the idea they are wrong so when challenged start stooping to insults.

Are you going to share the research you referred to?

You didn't quote all of it. Context is important

"Research shows that Covid-19 itself is much more likely to cause myocarditis than the vaccine.

People who are vaccinated against Covid-19 also have a much lower risk of getting other serious heart complications caused by the virus, including heart attack and stroke.

That is why the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) says the benefits of having the Covid-19 vaccine far outweigh the risks of not getting it for most people."

the british heart foundation seems to think there's a link
"
Do Covid-19 vaccines cause myocarditis and pericarditis?
There is a link between mRNA Covid-19 vaccines and an increased risk of myocarditis and pericarditis"

.https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/coronavirus-vaccine-your-questions-answered/myocarditis-and-covid-19-vaccines-should-you-be-worried

or are they a bunch of tinfoil hatters too?
or maybe on the grift?

which particular papers are you referring to? ( quick reading btw, very impresive)

Myocarditis has been on the rise since 1960s at least.

Nothing you wrote there is proof it’s the vaccine not Covid that has contributed to the increase since 2020.

It’s not proof that it’s the vaccine and not Covid it’s self.

Look into aseem malhotra. A senior heart consultant. His father died shortly after pfizer vax due to a heart attack. He's convinced it's connected.

There's also a senior uk oncologist specialist. Sorry I forgot his name linking return of aggressive cancers in patients who had previously had remission at a scale he's never seen before.

Then there's Mike Yeadon former VP of pfizer. Warning about the shots.

As well as countless papers talking about the vaccines and side effects on pubmed. Things like thyroiditis, myocarditis, pericarditis, gullain-barre, ckd, prion disease, MS, ALS, brain haemorrhage, etc.

Please share the research paper here from.Prof Z Faljorn. Well have a look. Thank you. 😊

Blood is taken during PM. You know from the vein.

Theres is not a chance an embalmer would see this on multiple occasions and not being it to anyone’s attention.
Do you think an embalmers comes across something really strange in a dead body and ignores it? but gossips about to their mates about it?

And even if they did, how would they know it’s due to vaccine. How did the embalmer conclude it was due to the vaccine?

You are right. There's a paper linking sudden deaths in athletes to the vaccine. It's written by professor z.faljoun and can be found on researchgate and pubmed.

It's sad that a lot of people posting here haven't done their research yet act like they know better.

Also there's the case of Oscar cabrero, a 28 year old professional basketball player who collapsed on court after the vax. He said himself it was the vaccine. He developed myocarditis. A year later he died during a stress test. Ah but because it didn't happen to Joanne with 3 kids the vaccine is perfectly safe. Some people are lucky they can live in such blissful ignorance.

Well that's funny became a former vice president of pfizer and senior researcher Mike Yeadon has been warning people of the dangers of the vaccine. Also there are countless medical papers on withe side effects being caused on pubmed. There's even a paper on there describing the link between covid vaccine and sudden death written by Professor Z.Faljoun. There is a lot of censorship on social media actually. A lot of pro-vax misinformation actually. I do my research, much more than you have. Stop acting superior and better than others just because you have the good fortune to not be vax injured.

True.

It is amusing watching them show themselves up. They don't realise though and labour on. Perhaps pity maybe, or just laugh 😃

Yes because embalmers have to inject and pass fluid through the veins hence why they find the blockages.

I have to laugh at you thinking you've got the upper hand. You completely lost this argument way back when you started being so fucking rude.
Calling me a narcissist when sheer arrogance just oozes out of your every pore. It's really quite breathtaking.

Interestingly, I tried to have a look through your posts for 'entertainment' - but I don't have a premium subscription to MN like you. Because, guess what, I have a life!

Maybe you should try getting one.
😘😘

@Aibuforthisthought I know, one of my weaknesses is when someone tags or quotes me I find it hard not to respond, that’s that trouble, but it’s been highly entertaining. You can’t beat ‘em, might as well enjoy it 🤣. I know what some are like after having a few experiences of them, and I get entertainment out of knowing they get so pissed off when you see through the bullshit and actually have a logical argument that they don’t have an answer for. It’s the pure arrogance that annoys me when they are the most clueless group of people possible. Let em keep making fools of themselves and digging deeper holes. 😃

It’s really important that pregnant women and their babies receive the safest advice possible, not advice that has been misinterpreted.

No @Jumpingthruhoops

That report is the initial Public Assessment Report, written in 2020.

“The Public Assessment Report summarises the initial assessment at the time of approval in December 2020. The text in the original report remains unchanged.”

If you look at this statement the key wording is ‘initial assessment’ ‘time of approval in 2020” and ‘text in the report remains unchanged”.

When the Public Assessment report was written in December 2020, they were still waiting on data before advising pregnant women.

“These judgements reflect the absence of data at the present time and do not reflect a specific finding of concern.“

After December 2020 that data became available and healthcare professionals advised accordingly - but in December 2020 the advice was not to get vaccinated until more data became available.

Here are “updates”. When it states August 2024, these are how the adjustment would appear for that initial report.

“

1. 8 August 2024
2. Removed 'Summary of Product Characteristics Comirnaty 30 micrograms/dose concentrate for age 12+ (purple cap)' and 'Patient Information Leaflet for Comirnaty 30 micrograms/dose concentrate for age 12+ (purple cap)' Following the recent withdrawal of the licences for this Comirnaty (COVID-19 vaccines) vaccine.
3. 21 March 2024
4. The product information of Comirnaty products has been updated following recent approval on PI updates (Sections 1, 2, and 4.8, and labelling) and shelf-life extension.
5. 22 December 2023
6. Update to section 4.8 of the SmPC to update the safety information available in 12-15 year olds.”

You cannot just change the wording of the Public Assessment Report. It’s still needed in its original format as an archived reference.

The advice now in 2024 is here taking updates into account.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-women-of-childbearing-age-currently-pregnant-planning-a-pregnancy-or-breastfeeding/covid-19-vaccination-a-guide-on-pregnancy-and-breastfeeding