TW death etc I think it’s a conspiracy theory but I’m afraid to google!

I don't share your perception on that.

@VictoriaAlbert I’ve just thought about this actually, and I can’t actually think of any events that could be fully labelled as conspiracies that have turned out to be true.

I mean, yes, I suppose there’s been a couple of cover ups like the tobacco scandal or the contaminated blood scandal, but I don’t know if they can be classed as conspiracies because a conspiracy, to me, implies that it’s a secret that has been planned to fool and manipulate the masses from the beginning? Not just that information has come to light at a later date and has been kept under wraps to avoid the shit storm.

Things weren’t as well understood years ago as they are now and in the scheme of things these incidents are very rare. Besides as I said, nobody sat in their bedroom on Google ever discovered any cover up or conspiracy. If there was ever a conspiracy, it wouldn’t be out there so blatantly waiting to be discovered just by a simple google search 😉

When I got mine I was working for a company with a lot of staff in India who I used to speak to on a daily basis, they would have been very grateful for Vaccines (or oxygen).
We are very lucky that there are vaccines for things now and while I appreciate that everyone has a right to refuse them for themselves doing anything that might prevent others from getting them REALLY pisses me off.

They actually are very dumb with no critical thinking ability. It’s proven that most of them have very low educational attainment and low cognitive abilities, or have a need to feel unique by thinking they hold knowledge that others don’t. There have not been ‘plenty’ of conspiracy theories that turn out to be true at all.

There’s been a couple, but they definitely have never been uncovered by some saddo sat googling for hours, misinterpreting and cherry picking information that already confirms their biases and calling it ‘research’

Yes, intelligent people question things, but they also know how to interpret information properly. Believing in conspiracy theories and not being willing to accept a reasoned argument or evidence that contradicts your absolutely batshit illogical beliefs that anyone with half a brain cell could pick holes in given half the chance, is not being ‘open minded’. On the contrary, that’s called being thick and ignorant.

Damn straight I am. Precious about all vaccines actually. It’s an immense privilege to have them. We seriously don’t know how lucky we are.

Yes, everyone (sane) telling you this is rubbish is all part of the same vaccine conspiracy - my dogs friend has a cousin who met a doctor once and they confirmed it

@Annabella92 "It transpired that it didn't prevent transmission though didn't it? So the coercion was based on misinformation."

Others have explained why you're wrong here. And there was no coercion.

They'll vote for Vance

Fear, I think. Simple old fear. People are weird as hell when scared.

Is it this? https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.34KB4DG

Yep, it’s been debunked.

What is it about this particular vaccine that has people going batshit crazy out of their minds, when not for the flu vaccine, measles vaccine, tetanus vaccine etc etc?

Why this particular one? Is it because the internet and social media wasn't around when those vaccines were created? Or something else? I really honestly don't get the fuss over this one.

No, it didn’t ’transpire’ in to anything at all. I remember this from the time. The first vaccine was made based on the strain of Covid that was in circulation at the time, for which the vaccine was pretty effective at preventing person to person transmission, but less effective at preventing transmission of the later strains that had mutated to bypass it.

Although it did still reduce transmission initially, with each new strain, transmission rates increased, as is usual with all vaccines such as the flu vaccine. It was still very effective, however, at reducing symptoms even when it was transmitted.

Why do people just constantly talk shit and try to change events to suit themselves? It’s bloody annoying.

They need to make this into one.

It never ceases to amaze me how fully fledged adults believe this utter fucking nonsense, honestly. I mean, some of them might as well still believe in Santa Claus purely on the basis that every Christmas, you see men that look like him, or the fact that you can watch ‘Santa cam’ on the Internet, or track his sleigh on Christmas Eve using an app. That is the strength of some of your ‘evidence’ for believing these theories.

It beggars belief how some have made it to adulthood with such a lack of basic common sense and zero critical thought ability. To think that as children we believe that grown ups have all the answers and know everything. My 5 year old nephew has more sense than some of the numbskulls I have come across since Covid 🤣

@Annabella92

It depends on the virus. Some viruses are mutation prone (flu, Covid) so need updating regularly.

Some viruses are not. E.g HPV has a low mutation rate. It doesn’t need updating.

The Covid vaccine helps to build your immunity to the variant in 2024, preventing serious infection, hospitalisation and death.

I’m assuming you know all this before you jump to vaccine safety conclusions though???

It transpired that it didn't prevent transmission though didn't it? So the coercion was based on misinformation. And anyone who pointed that out was censored. This is precisely why trust is so low now, and people are fearful and unable to believe what they are told.

Ok.

So there are people on here who think embalmers ‘pull stuff out of veins”.

But they don’t question exactly how could happen ‘or want to know”.

Yet immediately conclude that it’s vaccine related.

Hmmm…

There is no point in trying to reason when the whole thought process is highly unreasonable in the first place.

Exactly, not to mention that many CEV conditions are those that are linked to blood clots and heart attacks (e.g. Obesity, being over 65, diabetes)

Someone's on a wind-up, more likely.

I take your point. But this carer, who works at the Home, presumably talks to funeral directors quite a lot. This was some months ago that DH had the conversation with her. I hadn't heard about it before and had forgotten about it until I saw this today, and added in my two ha'pence. But whatever. I've now read the report linked above and am happy to accept the claim has been debunked.

@Annabella92 "I think it was the pressure put on those who were quite happy not to have the vaccine"

You were not pressured to have the vaccine. There were just measures in place to stop you putting other people at risk if you chose not to.

Yeeees, that's what my first sentence said.

My second sentence pointed out that, without incessant testing, how would you know for absolute certain that you've never had COVID?

I have a young relative who had a SCAD of unknown origin as a teenager. He is well and was fundraising for defibrillators in local village. Next think his photo was on front page if local rag saying it was because of his covid vaccine. They had to retract the article and issue an apology as he had his problem in 2014!!!!

@kittensinthekitchen Apparently it's George Clooneys fault they should have kept sleepy Joe where he was. The Democrats deserve it. They gave Trump that win. A woman has never been president they are a religious country ruled by Catholicism. They should have put a young man in opposition Trump would never have won. He'll be 82 in 2028 who will they vote for then. I suppose the next potential president will come with a zimmer frame.

The lack of critical thinking, laid over the "I do my research" (AKA watch conspiracy theory videos on YouTube) squawking, is sad and frightening in equal measure.