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TW death etc I think it’s a conspiracy theory but I’m afraid to google!

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SensibleSigma · 07/11/2024 17:10

someone was telling me about embalmers having to pull ‘stuff’ out of the veins since Covid/vaxines.

My natural instinct is to declare it total guff. Generally I’d use snopes or similar. But I don’t want to read conspiracy nonsense!

Are we experiencing unusual deaths since Covid/vaccines? I have a relative with an unexpected, unusual heart condition.
Could anyone oblige with actual information rather than conspiracy theories? To be honest I think I am being v v unreasonable to ask but I’m mulling on it.

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Teanbiscuits33 · 08/11/2024 22:49

Jumpingthruhoops · 08/11/2024 22:39

John Campbell's YT content in the latter part of the pandemic consisted of talking viewers through ONS figures, official govt documents and VAERS reports. What's the 'conspiracy theory' if it's all official data?

Because he deliberately misinterprets information to gain views on YouTube. He is a retired nurse, not a doctor or an immunologist. He has deliberately told lies in order to get more traffic on YouTube. He used to be quite a logical person until he jumped on the gravy train. His prior reasonableness was probably a ruse so he would seem more credible when he suddenly changed his tune.

Jumpingthruhoops · 08/11/2024 22:49

Teanbiscuits33 · 08/11/2024 22:43

The most intelligent people don’t just sit on google looking for information that confirms their beliefs, they know how to analyse studies and work out their reliability, where as conspiracy theorists cherry pick information and misinterpret information in order to make themselves feel more intelligent and less threatened. You talk about ‘’questioning’’ yet never listen to reasoned arguments, instead just moving the goalposts in order to make things fit your existing beliefs. That is NOT open mindedness or inquisitiveness.

In fact, the irony is, one of the hallmarks of conspiracy theories is they are not falsifiable because every contradictory piece of evidence gets dismissed, with the conspiracy theorist claiming that the evidence put before them is simply untrue and the person who wrote that article is ‘’in on it’’. If you were so very intelligent as you claim, you would be open to other ideas other than your own. The fact you can’t see the irony of what you just said just proves that it’s delusion and confirmation bias, not intelligence.

Quite a lot of assumptions made there. Based on literally nothing. Go you!

Teanbiscuits33 · 08/11/2024 22:43

Jumpingthruhoops · 08/11/2024 22:25

This! The dumbest people are definitely those who just accept what they're told and never question anything!!

The most intelligent people don’t just sit on google looking for information that confirms their beliefs, they know how to analyse studies and work out their reliability, where as conspiracy theorists cherry pick information and misinterpret information in order to make themselves feel more intelligent and less threatened. You talk about ‘’questioning’’ yet never listen to reasoned arguments, instead just moving the goalposts in order to make things fit your existing beliefs. That is NOT open mindedness or inquisitiveness.

In fact, the irony is, one of the hallmarks of conspiracy theories is they are not falsifiable because every contradictory piece of evidence gets dismissed, with the conspiracy theorist claiming that the evidence put before them is simply untrue and the person who wrote that article is ‘’in on it’’. If you were so very intelligent as you claim, you would be open to other ideas other than your own. The fact you can’t see the irony of what you just said just proves that it’s delusion and confirmation bias, not intelligence.

Jumpingthruhoops · 08/11/2024 22:39

samarrange · 07/11/2024 18:25

Dr John Campbell (not a medical doctor - he is a retired nurse who also has a PhD) enjoyed about 3 months of brief fame at the start of Covid, where he gave solid advice on his YouTube channel on how to protect yourself.

Then he noticed that the videos where he mentioned conspiracy theories — even in passing, even if he debunked them — got a lot more views and likes. And, just as points mean prizes (©ISIHAC), so views and likes mean money. Lots of money.

And so John started pumping out krazy kontent for Kovid konspiracy kranks, leveraging his initial fame from the good stuff, and making close to £1 million a year doing so. Maybe a bit less these days, but he's still coining it. It's all been very sad to see. The man is an utter charlatan with zero credibility in scientific circles.

John Campbell's YT content in the latter part of the pandemic consisted of talking viewers through ONS figures, official govt documents and VAERS reports. What's the 'conspiracy theory' if it's all official data?

FlipFlopVibe · 08/11/2024 22:28

I’m absolutely not anti vax, I’ve had everything offered to me but I know of two people who had very bad reactions to the vaccines - one had a stroke at her desk where I work and the other (a relative) had a heart attack and now has a pacemaker. Both the same day as the vaccine. It’s likely they had something underlying already and it’s a very rare event.

Hoppinggreen · 08/11/2024 22:27

Jumpingthruhoops · 08/11/2024 22:25

This! The dumbest people are definitely those who just accept what they're told and never question anything!!

Not according to this
Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia

Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Jumpingthruhoops · 08/11/2024 22:25

VictoriaAlbert · 07/11/2024 17:56

They’re really not. Plenty of conspiracy theories actually turned out to be fact. Intelligent people are open minded are questioning.

This! The dumbest people are definitely those who just accept what they're told and never question anything!!

Acsa · 08/11/2024 22:16

Hoppinggreen · 08/11/2024 21:53

See this is an example of how you can spin information.
The risk of heart issues IS indeed "on the British Heart Foundation website".
It says the risk is very low and you should still have the vaccine
Covid-19 vaccines: your questions answered - BHF

Yes, plus the fact that pericarditis and myocarditis, for most people, are minor conditions that tend to go away fairly quickly.

Arraminta · 08/11/2024 22:13

OliphantJones · 07/11/2024 17:25

Conspiracy theorists are some of the dumbest people alive.

Quite. Those who were paranoid/anxious about having the vaccine should have been encouraged in their nonsense fears in the hope they would then refuse it.

That way, COVID stood a chance of killing them and thereby increasing the overall IQ in the remaining gene pool.

Teanbiscuits33 · 08/11/2024 22:03

MotherOfDragon86 · 08/11/2024 21:47

It can definitely cause heart issues, specifically myocarditis and pericarditis. I work in cardiac MRI and we specifically scanned patients who had heart issues due to the mRNA covid vaccine. Its even on the British Heart Foundation website. I never got the vaccine and so glad I made that decision. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's fact. I scanned the patients myself. I work in a cardiac specialist hospital.

Yes, it can, that is a consequence of the immune response to the virus, which the vaccine induces and as such, can cause myocarditis but the incidence of this is higher in people who have had a natural covid infection.

Nobody has ever disputed it can be associated with myocarditis. in fact, the NHS even stated this is more likely in younger men so to use caution, don’t do any vigorous exercise for a short while after the vaccine that may aggravate any possible inflammation, and go to A&E with any concerns. This was never hidden.

What people dispute is the wild assertions that every illness or death since the Covid vaccine can be attributed to it and people saying they personally know about 200 people who had adverse reactions as well as making up completely unbelievable stories about things like trackers in jabs and deliberate acts of genocide. It completely defies any logic and I can’t believe that grown adults subscribe to it. Before Covid, I didn’t think I was very intelligent until I learned what others believe 🤣

Hoppinggreen · 08/11/2024 21:53

MotherOfDragon86 · 08/11/2024 21:47

It can definitely cause heart issues, specifically myocarditis and pericarditis. I work in cardiac MRI and we specifically scanned patients who had heart issues due to the mRNA covid vaccine. Its even on the British Heart Foundation website. I never got the vaccine and so glad I made that decision. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's fact. I scanned the patients myself. I work in a cardiac specialist hospital.

See this is an example of how you can spin information.
The risk of heart issues IS indeed "on the British Heart Foundation website".
It says the risk is very low and you should still have the vaccine
Covid-19 vaccines: your questions answered - BHF

Covid-19 vaccines: your questions answered

Everything you need to know about Covid-19 vaccines, including safety, effectiveness and side effects.

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/coronavirus-vaccine-your-questions-answered?mi_u=8-14288689#inflammation

Pussycat22 · 08/11/2024 21:53

Ah that's different,it's to do with body image , they'll blithely,wilfully ignore any negatives with that!!!

Pussycat22 · 08/11/2024 21:50

You've simply had a full blood count with add ones!

MotherOfDragon86 · 08/11/2024 21:47

It can definitely cause heart issues, specifically myocarditis and pericarditis. I work in cardiac MRI and we specifically scanned patients who had heart issues due to the mRNA covid vaccine. Its even on the British Heart Foundation website. I never got the vaccine and so glad I made that decision. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's fact. I scanned the patients myself. I work in a cardiac specialist hospital.

DeanElderberry · 08/11/2024 21:23

I thought the young people with cardiovascular events were often heavy cocaine users?

OhcantthInkofaname · 08/11/2024 21:03

Maybe the heart damage is from COVID not the vax?

My son has heart damage from COVID.

Fireworknight · 08/11/2024 21:01

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Vaxxers book

This is a fascinating book about how one of the Covid vaccines was developed, the research that went on behind it, and the cooperation between the national and international bodies to get it developed, tested and produced. It talked about other vaccine research (Ebola etc) that was used for the vaccine , the lives if the scientists and some if the science behind it all. Well worth reading.

MeowCatPleaseMeowBack · 08/11/2024 20:35

Rainydaysandsundays13 · 08/11/2024 20:14

Dont be wasting time messaging me, you hurry now, you'll miss getting a place in the queue for your 10th shot 😂

That isn't funny. Nor is it funny to claim I'm lying about all the people I know who had wonderful side effects from the vaccine. Why are your anecdotes more valid? So rude.

Hoppinggreen · 08/11/2024 20:29

I find it very unlikely a medical professional would state that a vaccine caused a car accident.

Teanbiscuits33 · 08/11/2024 20:28

Rainydaysandsundays13 · 08/11/2024 20:23

😂 knowledge and power

Just like you think it’s no coincidence that people get ill after having the jab, I have a much stronger basis to believe it’s no coincidence that every conspiracy theorist I’ve ever met is an utter numbskull. Either that, or they’ve cottoned on to how much money spreading misinformation generates and jumped on it.

Two minutes watching an anti vax video on YouTube has me rolling my eyes and laughing hysterically that people believe the utter fucking shit without engaging their brains 🤣

Over40Overdating · 08/11/2024 20:28

@eyupcocker so all of these clinics are at breaking point specifically due to vaccine injuries? Not just in one department, but several? And undertakers back this up?

After every wave of Covid, especially the ones pre vaccines - from end of 2019 onwards when it was rife but we had no clue what it was - within 6 months there has been a spike in vascular diseases, lung diseases, diabetes, rheumatoid conditions and others diseases because covid is an inflammatory, vascular disease. It is not just a cold or flu. We are still at the very beginning of discovering what damage even mild cases of Covid does to our bodies, never mind repeated infections. That is sinister and worrying enough without adding in conspiracy theories about vaccines.

Many people who now have cancer could have been diagnosed earlier were it not for the impossibility of getting seen over Covid, or the shit show most of us need to perform to get a GP appointment now. That’s not due to the vaccine. Using that as an excuse is a cop out when you could be talking about how badly supported the nhs was then and now.

Teddybear23 · 08/11/2024 20:27

I think the vaccine can adversely affect certain people; my friend had one vaccine, the following day had a bleed on the brain and nearly died, another old man I know had the vaccine and within days his legs swelled up and he couldn’t urinate and ended up in A&E. My friend had cancer but had been doing really well, but about two months after the second vaccine her cancer had spread a lot and she died. I’m sure it’s safe for most people but not all.

pollymere · 08/11/2024 20:26

The COVID virus itself wreaked havoc in anyone with an underlying heart condition. Mine needed treatment after I had COVID. The thing is - I might have dropped dead with a heart attack later in life had it not been found. I suspect it's actually highlighted pre-existing medical conditions than created novel ones. Unfortunately myocarditis is a known issue with the virus. The vaccination causing these issues is extremely unlikely - it's more likely that people just didn't drop dead because they'd had the vaccine but it still caused damage.

Rainydaysandsundays13 · 08/11/2024 20:23

Teanbiscuits33 · 08/11/2024 20:21

@Rainydaysandsundays13 How do you know the doctors said the crash was because of the vaccine? Were you told? Unless you were actually there, you can’t know, and even if you were there, it’s highly unlikely a medical professional would make such sweeping statements.

Covid infection itself is far more likely to cause long term or permanent complications.

I don’t know a single person who had any serious side effects from the jabs, although I acknowledge they do happen occasionally, just like they do with every medical intervention in history.

Your ‘’ I have no reason to type drivel’’ is unconvincing. Plenty of people knowingly talk and type drivel just because they can, because they enjoy scaremongering others and they want to create distrust of authority because they don’t like the idea that others are more knowledgeable or powerful than them when they don’t understand something. It’s quite common, actually.

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😂 knowledge and power

Teanbiscuits33 · 08/11/2024 20:21

@Rainydaysandsundays13 How do you know the doctors said the crash was because of the vaccine? Were you told? Unless you were actually there, you can’t know, and even if you were there, it’s highly unlikely a medical professional would make such sweeping statements.

Covid infection itself is far more likely to cause long term or permanent complications.

I don’t know a single person who had any serious side effects from the jabs, although I acknowledge they do happen occasionally, just like they do with every medical intervention in history.

Your ‘’ I have no reason to type drivel’’ is unconvincing. Plenty of people knowingly talk and type drivel just because they can, because they enjoy scaremongering others and they want to create distrust of authority because they don’t like the idea that others are more knowledgeable or powerful than them when they don’t understand something. It’s quite common, actually.

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