TW death etc I think it’s a conspiracy theory but I’m afraid to google!

🤣 this is why I stay on MN. TY!!

Exactly
I used to work in Pharma and we used the same clinical trials to prove opposite things at times.I switched companies at one point and was surprised that the same trials that proved company A's drugs was better was also being used to proved company B's drug was better.
There was one that showed based purely on stats that you were twice as likely to be murdered if you were on a certain drug than on placebo.
It needs a certain level of intelligence and critical thinking to interpret these things correctly and throwing respected organisations like The BHF around to prove the exact opposite of your point does not suggest its existence.

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What part of what I said was bullcrap exactly? I simply stated what went on in the scanning department. It was a specifically list of patients who all had the mRNA vaccine and they were looking at cardiac issues due to this.

You mention the BHF as if it supports your view, it actually does the opposite.
That is pretty disingenuous

Undoubtedly some people have died due to the vaccine but it's miniscule compared to the amount of people who have been saved. Ive heard of some unusual heart diseases caused by the astrazeneca vaccine but none I know of with the others.

Something can be a fact but still spun to give the wrong conclusion.

Take something totally different - it's a fact, from the data, that in 30% of car occupant fatalities in young people they were not wearing seatbelts.
Therefore I could immediately spin that to point out 70% of fatalities were for people who were wearing seatbelts, so wearing a seatbelt is obviously far more dangerous than not wearing one.

However anyone with any sense would also look at the data on how many people wear seatbelts (over 90%) and instead conclude that wearing a seatbelt instead makes you far less likely to suffer a fatality because of the sheer numbers involved.

So you can have a completely true fact, or professional experience, but you can still spin it depending on the conclusion you would prefer.

Someone I knew died at the gym completely unexpectedly (I think of a heart attack). She was fit and healthy and fairly young. Only thing is, it was 20 years ago. There's always been unexpected deaths of seemingly healthy people. Wasn't there a fuss about 10 to 15 years ago about screening professional footballers better for undiagnosed heart conditions? I think there were a couple of players who had heart attacks or something similar on the pitch and after that they improved screening, but this is quite a vague memory.

It's possible rates have gone up recently but there could be lots of reasons for that. I'll note the previous sentence also applies to those who'd like to claim everything is due to long COVID - I find a lot of the claims made about the effects of long COVID no more convincing that those made about vaccines.

i have some sympathy for your view but the trouble with “go for it” is the number of other people you infect.

I think Covid or the jab must have deteriorated your sense of humour.

@MotherOfDragon86

Really? Well if I was ever unfortunate enough to come across you when I needed NHS help, I’d report you for spreading bullcrap and misrepresentation.

@Jumpingthruhoops Besides which it isn’t ‘’science’’ that made people believe conspiracy theories. Science didn’t tell us that the vaccine was deliberately toxic to kill the masses and ‘cleanse’ the population (this one was going around even before it was approved!). Science didn’t tell us there was a chip in the vaccine. Science didn’t tell us the virus didn’t exist. These were totally made up rumours. So your point about changing ‘’science’’ being the reason you believe something different every five minutes is bullshit.

Most of it involved blatantly misrepresenting those figures and selectively quoting from them to make it look like there was a huge problem of vaccine-related harm (which there isn't). He has appeared on platforms with some of the most extreme conspiracists out there.

Brace yourself - covid can cause myocarditis and pericarditis. This is a fact. How do I know? I was hospitalised with myocarditis caused by covid before I was vaccinated. Had my latest booster last week. Think it was jab number 8. No recurrence of myocarditis.

I know a lot about conspiracy theorists and the causes of their beliefs because I studied the whole phenomena at university and wrote a thesis on it. I find it absolutely fascinating to be honest. But next you’ll be telling me that universities and higher education aren’t worth it. Let’s just all sit on YouTube and listen to nonsense. Who needs education.

What I mean is, although science is ever changing facts are facts at the end of the day. Surely your very intelligent mind was able to work out whet I meant by that? And surely if you were that intelligent you would be able to pick a stance and stick to it until such time some other very convincing evidence and undertaking of robust hypothesis testing caused you to change your mind? I mean, you wouldn’t just change your mind like you changed clothes would you? No!?

What do you mean 'there can only be one truth'? Surely you know that's not how research/science works?

The whole point is - in science - new evidence emerges/changes over time. And people's opinions/beliefs can change with it. It's really no deeper than that.

For someone claiming to be sooo against conspiracy theorists, you seem to know an awful lot about them. Certainly way more than I do...

You’re a conspiracy theorist. By definition, your beliefs have no real basis and could be picked apart quite easily, so yes I do know about you as you have revealed yourself by virtue of the fact you subscribe to bullshit and are easily swayed.

But that's what I mean. 'Unlike you?' Respectfully, you know nothing about me.
Have a nice evening.

Yes, but he fails to mention important caveats to the research and often uses papers that are not peer reviewed or methodologically sound. Are you telling me you believe those bits of information that confirm your beliefs, but not the others? 😨 you can’t be!!! Really!? Is that confirmation bias I see? 😉. It is easy for lay people who don’t fully understand what they are being told to be taken in, that’s exactly why he does it. Humans also are wired to be alert to threats, so will often seek out ‘’negative’’ things. This is why conspiracies make more money than accurate accounts of things.

Can you tell me, if conspiracy theorists know what they are talking about, why does what they believe change like the wind? I mean, one minute it doesn’t exist at all, the next it does but not as bad as is being said, the next the vaccine contains a chip for tracking, the next it’s meant to kill the underclass within three years etc etc etc and on we go. Which is it? There can only be one truth. Surely you all knowing folk know what that is!?

I am not spinning information, these are facts and because you don't like the sound of it doesnt make it untrue. I scanned these patients, I didn't manifest them 🤣

Has he? I've caught a few of his YouTube vids in the past and all he did was go through a document line by line, highlighting what's being said and, where needed, simplifying any medical jargon. Do you have the specific example of where he's misinterpreted information or lied? Would be good to see it...

Utter nonsense. Try living with Long Covid for 4 1/2 years.

VAERS? I can put in VAERS that I had the vaccine and then my legs fell off. VAERS makes it explicitly and repeatedly clear that the data it contains is unverified.

Are the covid vaccines 100% safe? Nope. Nothing is. The paint on the walls of your house isn't 100% safe. Are those vaccines not as effective as originally advertised? Sadly so.Are the covid vaccines safer than getting a bad dose of COVID? All the peer-reviewed science says they are.

I know a lot about why people believe conspiracy theories, and it doesn’t take a genius to work out that conspiracy theories are unfalsifiable because people just dismiss evidence that doesn’t confirm what they want it to, so no, unlike you, my assertions are not based on little or no robust evidence.