TW death etc I think it’s a conspiracy theory but I’m afraid to google!

Why are people so dumb about a bloody vaccine? If you’d rather have the disease then go for it 🙄

Firstly, why do you have to be so salty? Are you not able to have an adult conversation without all the childish digs?

It's really quite simple; they publish the data because they have to but, for example, many govt updates were always very hard to find on the official UK govt website unless you knew where to look. Fortunately, I knew a lot of people who did.

Similarly, Pfizer wanted 75 years to release their data but were court ordered to release it steadily in batches. Again, this wasn't published anywhere where it could be accessed easily. It made for very interesting reading: Not least the part about it NOT being recommended for pregnant women AFTER it was mandated and was still being mandated. This is just one tiny example.

So no contradictions at all. All fairly straightforward. Hope that helps.

Another question your ever so intelligent mind neglects to consider is, if the vaccine was all simply a nefarious plot to fool the masses, why do they publish ‘’alarming data’’ that any lay person with no medical background could interpret and discover their secrets? Surely they wouldn’t so blatently reveal themselves? You lot are walking contradictions 😂

Exactly this! That opinion has never changed - if anything it's only been substantiated with the passing of time and emergence of new data.

And as for the suggestion that 'they want to be right', that couldn't be further from the truth. Those of us who questioned things very much wanted - and still want - to be WRONG. Why would we gloat about the fact that people HAVE been harmed? What an odd thought process?

As it is, I have never forced my beliefs/opinion on anyone; I respect that people need to do what right for them.
However, had I spoken up a bit more, I perhaps now wouldn't have two young relatives with heart conditions.

Exactly this! That opinion has never changed - if anything it's only been substantiated with the passing of time and emergence of new data.

And as for the suggestion that 'they want to be right', that couldn't be further from the truth. Those of us who questioned things very much wanted - and still want - to be WRONG. Why would we gloat about the fact that people HAVE been harmed? What an odd thought process?

As it is, I have never forced my beliefs/opinion on anyone; I respect that people need to do what right for them.
However, had I spoken up a bit more, I perhaps now wouldn't have two young relatives with heart conditions.

what an odd set of people you know then.
Myself and many people I know refused the injections and have the opinion that they have done more harm than good for the majority of people but our opinion hasn't changed over the last however many years

Thats all part of their sinister plot. Have you not heard of deliberately putting out real information so that people read the real information but don't realise its real? So they end up thinking that it is safe because you planted a seed that sometimes it isn't safe so they don't believe the truth that it is never safe. I have a wall of my room where I have noted all the connections using string and recycled fishing line which explains it better.

Thats all part of their sinister plot. Have you not heard of deliberately putting out real information so that people read the real information but don't realise its real? So they end up thinking that it is safe because you planted a seed that sometimes it isn't safe so they don't believe the truth that it is never safe. I have a wall of my room where I have noted all the connections using string and recycled fishing line which explains it better.

Another question your ever so intelligent mind neglects to consider is, if the vaccine was all simply a nefarious plot to fool the masses, why do they publish ‘’alarming data’’ that any lay person with no medical background could interpret and discover their secrets? Surely they wouldn’t so blatently reveal themselves? You lot are walking contradictions 😂

No what I'm essentially saying is I believe someone who says they do it for a job - because why would they lie? - Plus, I don't know you either, yet you're expecting me to believe what you say? How does that work?

So I believe her AND I believe actual credible, peer reviewed scientific studies on a variety of things. As we all should. I don't want them to 'say' anything. But I'm not going to just ignore data that's alarming, just because people like YOU find it a bit uncomfortable.

What I certainly don't do is blindly accept 'data' from organisations like the BHF who are paid by the UK government! Anyone that does isn't worth the time of day.

No what I'm essentially saying is I believe someone who says they do it for a job - because why would they lie? - Plus, I don't know you either, yet you're expecting me to believe what you say? How does that work?

So I believe her AND I believe actual credible, peer reviewed scientific studies on a variety of things. As we all should. I don't want them to 'say' anything. But I'm not going to just ignore data that's alarming, just because people like YOU find it a bit uncomfortable.

What I certainly don't do is blindly accept 'data' from organisations like the BHF who are paid by the UK government! Anyone that does isn't worth the time of day.

Demonstrates my point very well.
One person references the BHF to back up the idea that the Vaccine causes heart disease and another says the BHF website is downplaying the risks as they are funded by the Govt - which is it?

So, what you’re essentially saying is, you choose to believe some random person on the Internet who tells you they look at heart health for a living, even though you have no evidence whatsoever who that person is and their credentials, but you won’t believe actual credible, peer reviewed scientific studies that don’t say what you want? I think you have a monumental lack of self awareness to call anybody else wilfully ignorant, frankly. It’s absolutely laughable. You’re just making yourself look silly and proving people’s points here.

I am thoroughly immunised and happy to present my arm for anything offered. I’m sheeple, me.

I was just having a bad moment in a bad day. 😅 Normal rational service will resume- though I’m still worried about a mis behaving elder and a young relative that collapsed needing CPR at work and a trip in a neenaw .

It’s been a fucking awful day and I’m now in a hot bath on the right side of a large gin.

I'm sure there are but I can bet you have never encountered one ( unless you work in an acute psychiatric ward) so looks very silly to pretend that's a wide held belief you have come across

I'm sure there are but I can bet you have never encountered one ( unless you work in an acute psychiatric ward) so looks very silly to pretend that's a wide held belief you have come across

what an odd set of people you know then.
Myself and many people I know refused the injections and have the opinion that they have done more harm than good for the majority of people but our opinion hasn't changed over the last however many years

Excess deaths are down this year. The highest spike was understandably during 2020, pre vaccine. They were still higher than normal in 22 and the first 6 months of 23, but have been on a downward trend all this year.

Basically there's no good evidence young people, or in fact any people are currently dying at a higher rate than average and in fact deaths have slowly come down from much higher rates at peak covid since the introduction of the vaccine.

There is some evidence that lockdowns and the pandemic reaction was bad for our health in general and it's taken a few years to recover from that

You think there aren't people who are convinced the covid vaccines contain self-assembling nanobots that are activated by 5G? Want some links?

and most bizarre made up anecdote award goes to .......

My favourites are the ones who examine their blood and urine to find the 5G-activated self-assembling nanobots that they are convinced were injected with the vaccines. The thought of them crouched over piss-smelling microscopes, seeing crystals of urea or calcium and mistaking them for nanomachinery, brings me joy.

No, conspiracy theorists frequently move the goal posts on their opinions, it’s not always different people with different opinions. When challenged, they will often think for a minute and then say things like, ‘’well, it must be this then…’’ or ‘’yeah, that evidence you just showed me doesn’t prove anything, they’re all in on it’’ I have spoken to many of the same people who change their opinion more than I have had hot dinners. They don’t know what to believe because they have no idea what is true, they just pick up any old shit and run with it, as long as it says it’s all a big conspiracy then they aren’t fussy, they will claim ‘’they were right’’