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The Times newspaper is left wing

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Thatsenoughcoffee · 07/11/2024 09:50

The Times has been moving to the left for years. They’re trying to compete with The Guardian as much as The Telegraph. They try to reflect the politics of the middle and governing classes which veer left.

It’s a high quality publication, but as a conservative I read it knowing there will be many left-wing writers whose opinions I disagree with. Hugo Rifkind is one example.

The news stories also veer left - for instance the recent attack on the finances of the Royal Family which was carried out in conjunction with Channel 4. There is also a lot of focus on Gaza and not much support for Israel.

My feed on X by contrast is properly right wing. And also low status.

AIBU to think The Times is left wing?

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BIossomtoes · 07/11/2024 10:42

I’m pretty sure that if The Times was left wing it wouldn’t make me so bloody angry.

Alconleigh · 07/11/2024 10:41

Bohemond23 · 07/11/2024 10:34

I have read the Times for many many years precisely because it was bang in the centre ground with quality journalism. I'd say that it has shifted to the right of late, as well as declining in quality due to the new editor and editorial policy. Loads of guff stories written up from press releases, loads of NIMBY type stuff, and the really concerted effort to sling mud at Labour post election. I skip through a lot these days rather than reading cover to cover. They have held on to some good byline/comment journalists at least - Janice Turner, Matthew Parris, Hugo Rifkind - which is why I still subscribe.

Entirely agree with this. It's definitely moved more to the right of late, and more lightweight puff pieces. I'm largely still there for Janice.

Blaggoshpereish · 07/11/2024 10:39

News/newspapers are not an unbiased public service. (Let’s ignore BBC)

The are for profit making ££ from sales and advertisers. Advertisers pay more for more readers. All your news/info feeds are closely linked to your preferences to keep u coming back. It’s almost farce.

If Times can get more readers by leaning left. Maybe getting younger readers then they will absolutely lean left.

Labour strong these days, Times wants those voters so they can make more £££

It’s healthy to at least skim sources across left/right, but I find too much making excuses or being too biased a read turn-off. Also when words are so obviously evasive or providing a legal “out” because the claims are crazy …

I like to fact check if I can.

StudioFocusTricky · 07/11/2024 10:38

The Times is owned by Rupert Murdoch.
Their coverage will be whatever suits the narrative that is in the Murdoch family's best interests. That will sometimes lean more right- or more left-wing but it will never be unbiased.

Didimum · 07/11/2024 10:35

They've got to sell papers at the end of the day. It's a business.

Firey40 · 07/11/2024 10:35

Best not read just the one paper.

Try The Times, Guardian and Telegraph on rotation.
Then you're getting a broad spectrum of opinions.

Bohemond23 · 07/11/2024 10:34

I have read the Times for many many years precisely because it was bang in the centre ground with quality journalism. I'd say that it has shifted to the right of late, as well as declining in quality due to the new editor and editorial policy. Loads of guff stories written up from press releases, loads of NIMBY type stuff, and the really concerted effort to sling mud at Labour post election. I skip through a lot these days rather than reading cover to cover. They have held on to some good byline/comment journalists at least - Janice Turner, Matthew Parris, Hugo Rifkind - which is why I still subscribe.

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/11/2024 10:30

The Times is not and has never been Left wing. Perhaps it's you who has shifted further to the Right @Thatsenoughcoffee.

SerendipityJane · 07/11/2024 10:30

The people that Boris purged from his party if they didn't buy his "Bumbling Boris the Clown" act. The people who believe in the UK's international obligations, who believe that trust is important and that "my word is my bond" that Honest Bob Jenrick likewise wanted to kick out of the party if he become Leader. The people who are small-c "conservative" and who are appalled that the mainstream party has morphed into UKIP and is seemingly moving towards a pact with the Reform mob of Farage and Lee Anderson - and who want nothing to do with them.

Once known as "wets" for the younger readers.

SnoopysHoose · 07/11/2024 10:28

instance the recent attack on the finances of the Royal Family which was carried out in conjunction with Channel 4.
do you not enjoy factual reporting?
the horrors C4?!??!

ethelredonagoodday · 07/11/2024 10:27

Dearg · 07/11/2024 10:07

I read the Times. I think there is a spectrum of writing which, in aggregate , is pretty much in the centre. I do think it has strayed into some populist/ scandal type writing at times, but I cannot remember specifically what triggers that thought.

I think the investigation into the Royal finances is good journalism and not the cronyism we see in the red-top tabloids.

Agree.

ethelredonagoodday · 07/11/2024 10:27

Another Times reader here, who is probably a left leaning moderate. I've always read the Times since my degree, as it was recommended by our lecturers for the law reports. I think it's generally fairly balanced. I do read some bits and think what a load of right wing bobbins, but in the main, i think it's not a bad read!

Deathraystare · 07/11/2024 10:21

Well I read (mumsnet are going to roast me alive!) The Daily Mail!!! No not my politics and I can read through the heavy bias but I like the way it is set out and can read the print (unlike the mirror !).

Havanananana · 07/11/2024 10:21

Perhaps they've realised that the last Conservative goverments were a bunch of talentless chancers and spivs, and that the current bunch are not much better, so there is a gap in the market that caters for the views of the centre-right, "One Nation" Tories who feel sidelined by the events of the last 14 years.

The people that Boris purged from his party if they didn't buy his "Bumbling Boris the Clown" act. The people who believe in the UK's international obligations, who believe that trust is important and that "my word is my bond" that Honest Bob Jenrick likewise wanted to kick out of the party if he become Leader. The people who are small-c "conservative" and who are appalled that the mainstream party has morphed into UKIP and is seemingly moving towards a pact with the Reform mob of Farage and Lee Anderson - and who want nothing to do with them.

That would certainly put The Times to the left of GBNews, The Mail, Express, Sun etc. but still a long way from being "left-wing." There was a time when The Times was well-regarded for presenting fairly balanced reporting and articles that put differeing views - so if it is moving back in that direction, in the era of fake news and "repeat the lie often enough it becomes the truth" this can only be a good thing.

LaPalmaLlama · 07/11/2024 10:16

I read all three to some extent and the Times is the most centrist. I actually like the columnists of any paper to be from across the spectrum. Telegraph has moved right vs. 20 years ago.

Thatsenoughcoffee · 07/11/2024 10:09

Moglet4 · 07/11/2024 10:01

Did you actually just insinuate that the Torygraph is left wing???

No not at all. I said The Times tries to compete with the obviously left wing paper (Guardian) as much as it does with the obviously right wing paper (Telegraph).

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Ratherubbish · 07/11/2024 10:08

I used to subscribe, but there were too much in it that irritated me so I stopped.
Now I read the FT + whatever free magazines my kindle unlimited subscription includes.

Cecilly · 07/11/2024 10:07

I think it's good to read other viewpoints even if you disagree with them or they annoy you. Stretches your mind so you don't grow up to be an old "stuck in the mud" kind of person 🙂

Dearg · 07/11/2024 10:07

I read the Times. I think there is a spectrum of writing which, in aggregate , is pretty much in the centre. I do think it has strayed into some populist/ scandal type writing at times, but I cannot remember specifically what triggers that thought.

I think the investigation into the Royal finances is good journalism and not the cronyism we see in the red-top tabloids.

Thatsenoughcoffee · 07/11/2024 10:07

GatherlyGal · 07/11/2024 10:00

I agree there's been a move to the left but I think it reaches more widely.

I'd say a lots of wealthy professional types who in my parents generation would have identified as right wing are now proudly lefty.

Yes I think that’s my point. It tries to appeal to high status people, and so it’s become left wing just like those people have.

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Imicola · 07/11/2024 10:06

Does it matter? I'd personally like to be able to rely on something to cover both sides equally. I regularly read a news magazine which has a lot of different political views from me - I find it helpful and interesting to step out of the echo chamber.

EasyComfortDishes · 07/11/2024 10:04

I’ve noticed a shift in tone against Labour tbh - thought they were reasonably nice about them until they actually got in, but maybe that’s just the way. Otherwise I’d call them centre with voices on the left and right editorially. I read the ST too and like the mix of voices there. Haven’t noticed anything particularly anti-Israel, and I support Israel (notionally but not specifically in all their actions) and normally do notice that sort of thing.

MySistersCard · 07/11/2024 10:04

I think the Times is centre right. Its royal stuff is pretty tabloidy IME and certainly not anti monarchy- the amount of royal PR they have is crazy (inc a whole pro RF podcast).

Zamerhammer · 07/11/2024 10:03

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BarbaraHoward · 07/11/2024 10:02

Moglet4 · 07/11/2024 10:01

Did you actually just insinuate that the Torygraph is left wing???

OP? No, she said the Times is trying to compete with the Guardian (left) as much as the Telegraph (right). Confused