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The Times newspaper is left wing

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Thatsenoughcoffee · 07/11/2024 09:50

The Times has been moving to the left for years. They’re trying to compete with The Guardian as much as The Telegraph. They try to reflect the politics of the middle and governing classes which veer left.

It’s a high quality publication, but as a conservative I read it knowing there will be many left-wing writers whose opinions I disagree with. Hugo Rifkind is one example.

The news stories also veer left - for instance the recent attack on the finances of the Royal Family which was carried out in conjunction with Channel 4. There is also a lot of focus on Gaza and not much support for Israel.

My feed on X by contrast is properly right wing. And also low status.

AIBU to think The Times is left wing?

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cardibach · 07/11/2024 14:22

@LostittoBostik it would help if you quoted the posts, or at least the relevant bits, that you are responding to.

LostittoBostik · 07/11/2024 14:20

Well said @Catza

I'm glad you contributed

cardibach · 07/11/2024 14:20

LostittoBostik · 07/11/2024 14:18

@cardibach i don't think so at all. Centre right is, say, Rory Stewart.

I agree. Do you mean Hague is further right? Or are you referring to a different post?
If Hague, yes, he’s further right than Stewart but still in that One Nation, more centre right tradition. Not left wing. Not extreme right.
Edit - do you mean Rifkind? He’s also centre right. It covers a fair spread of views.

Ginmonkeyagain · 07/11/2024 14:19

@Thepeopleversuswork Yes. Similarly I am centre left, socially liberal, fan of mixed economies (private ownership but state ownership where it makes sense) and pro personal responibility. There are many on the left now who see me as a massive Tory 😬

LostittoBostik · 07/11/2024 14:18

@cardibach i don't think so at all. Centre right is, say, Rory Stewart.

CurlewKate · 07/11/2024 14:16

The OP is not posting in good faith.

Ginmonkeyagain · 07/11/2024 14:16

I wonder whether the OP is slowly realising it is them that has shifted politically - not The Times.

Moonlightstars · 07/11/2024 14:15

Thatsenoughcoffee · 07/11/2024 14:02

Andrew Neil is my favourite radio reporter.

William Hague is a massive leftie, pro mass immigration and wrote an article just before the election which was strongly against Trump. He’s moved to the left in recent years.

If you think Hague is left wing you are quite extremely on the right.

LostittoBostik · 07/11/2024 14:15

@Thatsenoughcoffee

"William Hague is a massive leftie"

That's ridiculous. He holds centre right views.
OP, I think you are the Overton window in action and have moved a long way across the dial and would probably quite enjoy the new telegraph (which is no longer a paper of record as a result of being pitched so far right in the last decade)

Re: Trump. There are good reasons for right wing Brits to be concerned even they're pro the culture side. One in every £11 of our exports go to the US and he's whacking on trade tariffs. And of course we chose to leave the EU so we've shrunk our market there.

Moonlightstars · 07/11/2024 14:14

A member of my family writes for the Times and has done since the early 80s. They say the current editor and slants they have been asked to put on their leaders is the most right wing it has been in the last 40 years.

cardibach · 07/11/2024 14:14

LostittoBostik · 07/11/2024 14:05

The times has always carried a range of columnists. I would say the columns pitch mostly right these days - there's only Hugo rifkind and tom peck that are centre left?

As for the editorials, they're very right. The one after the budget didn't bear much relationship to reality.

Rifkind is centre right.

LoveHeartsFan · 07/11/2024 14:14

I read a spectrum of papers (Times, Telegraph, Guardian, Independent, and occasionally the FT). All have elements of good quality and poorly-researched journalism, all will originate key stories that show the power of journalism to shine a light in dark places, and all have certain biases.

It’s worth understanding all these biases and seeing how journalism both records (captures the Zeitgeist) and engineers the news (whips up public feeling, for good - exposing abuse and malpractice - and ill, eg Brexit).

If you read a spectrum of papers you’ll get a better understanding of a story, not only from the POV of completeness (one slant vs another) but also piece together more of what might be allusive (what they can’t tell you because of legislation or the need to protect sources - it really allows you to read between the lines, quite literally).

You’re much better informed doing this and I’d recommend also regularly reading the foreign press for a wider picture on both world and domestic events, especially as they’re more inclined to write in-depth long-form articles, a particular strength of the FT. I regard the NY Times highly, and if you speak French or German, as I do both languages, read the papers in those or any other language of your choice/heritage. I’ve learned a great deal about current events from not having an Anglocentric bias.

cardibach · 07/11/2024 14:13

Thatsenoughcoffee · 07/11/2024 14:02

Andrew Neil is my favourite radio reporter.

William Hague is a massive leftie, pro mass immigration and wrote an article just before the election which was strongly against Trump. He’s moved to the left in recent years.

Again, Hague isn’t a ‘massive leftie’. He’s a classic One Nation Tory. It’s your massive rightie perspective that makes you think so.

cardibach · 07/11/2024 14:11

Thatsenoughcoffee · 07/11/2024 14:04

Surely someone who dreamed of a Kamala victory can be described as left-wing?

Like all the members of Trump’s last cabinet who endorsed her you mean? No. That doesn’t make you left wing. It makes you able to see that Trump isn’t suitable for public office whatever his political persuasion.

LostittoBostik · 07/11/2024 14:11

"Surely someone who dreamed of a Kamala victory can be described as left-wing?"

Why?

That's a genuine question. Her politics are fairly one nation Tory, if you're comparing with the UK

LostittoBostik · 07/11/2024 14:09

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/11/2024 10:30

The Times is not and has never been Left wing. Perhaps it's you who has shifted further to the Right @Thatsenoughcoffee.

Actually I'm wondering if maybe what OP is doing is comparing with the Telegraph - which has lurched so far to the right it's become irrelevant (as the guardian once used to be)

Thepeopleversuswork · 07/11/2024 14:08

@Ginmonkeyagain

You seem to be using left wing when you mean "centrist, socially liberal, metropolitan professionals"

For a lot of people these days these things are seen as interchangeable. If you’re not hard right, Brexit supporting, Trump supporting, anti immigration a lot of people will perceive you as a “wokey” or a member of the metropolitan elite. It’s a sign of how far to the right the political centre of gravity has shifted.

I consider myself pretty much straight down the middle politically, very slightly left shading but a million miles from the Corbyn wing of Labour. But my colleagues all consider me to be “hard left” because I have voted Labour and I don’t consider the small boats problem and trans wars to be the most pressing issues of the day.

See also the rhetoric around the word “progressive”: it used to mean a person with socially liberal views. It’s now morphed into an insult for anyone who hasn’t been captured by the Farage flank.

LostittoBostik · 07/11/2024 14:06

GatherlyGal · 07/11/2024 10:00

I agree there's been a move to the left but I think it reaches more widely.

I'd say a lots of wealthy professional types who in my parents generation would have identified as right wing are now proudly lefty.

That's a good point, although I haven't perceived the shift in the way some apparently have

LostittoBostik · 07/11/2024 14:05

The times has always carried a range of columnists. I would say the columns pitch mostly right these days - there's only Hugo rifkind and tom peck that are centre left?

As for the editorials, they're very right. The one after the budget didn't bear much relationship to reality.

Thatsenoughcoffee · 07/11/2024 14:04

cardibach · 07/11/2024 14:00

Also not left wing, never mind ‘very left wing’. They just look it from your very right wing perspective.
Stewart is still very much a One Nation Tory.

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Surely someone who dreamed of a Kamala victory can be described as left-wing?

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Thatsenoughcoffee · 07/11/2024 14:03

AlpineSue · 07/11/2024 14:01

Also the Times is very gender critical, which tends to be associated more with right than left albeit perhaps it should not be politicised like that.

Yes it’s good on those issues and it’s picked up many of the writers who were forced out of The Guardian.

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Thatsenoughcoffee · 07/11/2024 14:02

AlpineSue · 07/11/2024 13:59

William Hague writes for the Times and speaks on Times Radio as does Matthew Paris and Andrew Neil. I wouldnt call any of them big lefties. It is true that neither William Hague nor Matthew Paris supported Boris but I dont think that makes them left wing. Similarly Camilla Long seems pretty right wing to me. I think it is quite balanced/middle . Andrew Neil loathes Kamala Harris for instance, even if not a overt Trump suporter.

Andrew Neil is my favourite radio reporter.

William Hague is a massive leftie, pro mass immigration and wrote an article just before the election which was strongly against Trump. He’s moved to the left in recent years.

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AlpineSue · 07/11/2024 14:01

Also the Times is very gender critical, which tends to be associated more with right than left albeit perhaps it should not be politicised like that.

cardibach · 07/11/2024 14:00

Thatsenoughcoffee · 07/11/2024 13:59

Unless they’re Rory Stewart! An ex-MP anyway.

And coincidentally he’s just been interviewed by Hugo Rifkind.

Also not left wing, never mind ‘very left wing’. They just look it from your very right wing perspective.
Stewart is still very much a One Nation Tory.

Thatsenoughcoffee · 07/11/2024 13:59

cardibach · 07/11/2024 13:53

They aren’t usually Tory MPs though…

Unless they’re Rory Stewart! An ex-MP anyway.

And coincidentally he’s just been interviewed by Hugo Rifkind.

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