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I am in despair over the world

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WYWA · 07/11/2024 08:37

71 million Ameucans voting for a rapist misogynist, spineless sycophants like Starmer congratulating above mentioned abuser, go into work and it's all just the same talk of photocopiers, sport and trivilaiitoes as the world goes to hell. I'm genuinely in despair and have never ever felt this isolated

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mm81736 · 08/11/2024 04:48

BigTubOfLard · 07/11/2024 08:41

Trump was voted in once before and the world didn't spin off its axis nor did the universe implode. You'll be okay hun.

Edited

I seem to recall Trump bring quite good for world politi s.I mean I wouldn't want to be in the same room as the guy, but his personal life is less important .

Vaxtable · 08/11/2024 01:30

RingoJuice · 07/11/2024 08:39

The American election does not personally affect you (assuming you are British). Don’t you have more important things to worry about in Britain?

So what about him looking to come out of Ukraine? But Sir Keir has said we will continue to support, that will affect us

what about the fact he is talking of import taxes on anything imported into the US that will affect us all

who knows what else will be affected now

RogueFemale · 08/11/2024 00:10

x2boys · 07/11/2024 08:53

I'm no fan of Keir Starmer but as the Prime Minister he has to be seen to be professional and keep relations with other country's political leaders as smooth as possible, what else could he have done but Congratulate Trump?( even if its through gritted teeth.)

Yes, agree, and whoever was our PM would do the same.

user1467300911 · 08/11/2024 00:07

You are most definitely not alone - millions of us think trump is a wanker.

The best way forward is to keep on creating the world we want. So chin up.

LastNight1Dreamt1WentToManderleyAgain · 07/11/2024 23:58

Depending on OP's ethnicity, religion, names on passport and so on, she might be affected if there's a new travel ban; or her friends, family, or global work partners might be.

username7891 · 07/11/2024 23:42

Circumferences · 07/11/2024 22:00

Trump is the anti-woke vote. The anti establishment vote. The anti Obama style war mongering hyper capitalism vote.

I am actually perfectly comfortable that Trump won. The downside is minimal compared with the alternative, being the Democrats.

You don't think Trump is a capitalist?

user1484745101 · 07/11/2024 23:35

MorrisZapp · 07/11/2024 09:48

Well possibly, but the man he appointed Vice President called him a nazi so he's hardly new to getting over past slurs.

I agree. He will get over it.

Circumferences · 07/11/2024 22:05

we will all be dead either in a nuclear war or because the planet is utterly destroyed as a human habitat.

The Democrats would oversee this without a second thought.

The real problem in American politics is there's little difference between the republicans and the democrats.
They're both American.

Both parties are a threat to world peace and the climate crisis.
Biden was utterly hopeless. The Democrats were a disaster during this election.

At least Trump is a bit funny. He's got a sense of humour about America destroying the world.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 07/11/2024 22:05

OP between the cost of living crises and the more and more extreme "progressive" policies, people, ordinary people, just reached breaking point. Tbh you should probably be glad this happened now and not in four years time when the pendulum would have swung back even harder.

Bixterret · 07/11/2024 22:01

WYWA · 07/11/2024 08:37

71 million Ameucans voting for a rapist misogynist, spineless sycophants like Starmer congratulating above mentioned abuser, go into work and it's all just the same talk of photocopiers, sport and trivilaiitoes as the world goes to hell. I'm genuinely in despair and have never ever felt this isolated

You need to count your blessings you live in a free peaceful (comparatively) country.

Circumferences · 07/11/2024 22:00

Trump is the anti-woke vote. The anti establishment vote. The anti Obama style war mongering hyper capitalism vote.

I am actually perfectly comfortable that Trump won. The downside is minimal compared with the alternative, being the Democrats.

Lentilweaver · 07/11/2024 21:52

I am saddened but not in the least bit shocked.

WYWA · 07/11/2024 20:46

I am just so deeply deeply shocked, saddened and appalled that the majority of American voters think this man cares a jot about them, and even if they were right, that it is acceptable to elect an adjudicated rapist and racist who mocks the disabled. I hate Starmer, the Tory party are a disaster. I am appalled at Israels mass murder financed by Britain and America. I am disgusted at Brexit and the rise of the Far Right. Trump is going to pull America out of all climate change restraints, the world will continue to burn and sooner or later we will all be dead either in a nuclear war or because the planet is utterly destroyed as a human habitat.

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x2boys · 07/11/2024 20:24

WYWA · 07/11/2024 17:10

I've had enough of step away. I've had enough of get out and look at the fields. I do those things anyway.
I am so so so angry. I'm well aware it was the decision of the American electorate and frankly I'm disgusted with them.

What exactly WOULD. a progressive, non patronising alternative to the far right actually look like? Do you have to say "oh yes you're right all immigrants are rapists, abortion should be illegal and it doesn't matter if someone is an abuser, a racist, maybe even a paedophile, as long as they're white and rich?

I can't stand Trump either but watching the news gave me an insight on why people did vote for him, many don't like him on a personal level but like his politics. And felt they were better off under his Government
So people are putting themselves first ,that happens every where
By all accounts neither were great options and I would have though KH was the least worse option but I'm not American and I don't live there .

ForGreyKoala · 07/11/2024 20:05

@friendlycat - you are far too sensible to be on MN* *😅Great post.

WYWA · 07/11/2024 17:10

I've had enough of step away. I've had enough of get out and look at the fields. I do those things anyway.
I am so so so angry. I'm well aware it was the decision of the American electorate and frankly I'm disgusted with them.

What exactly WOULD. a progressive, non patronising alternative to the far right actually look like? Do you have to say "oh yes you're right all immigrants are rapists, abortion should be illegal and it doesn't matter if someone is an abuser, a racist, maybe even a paedophile, as long as they're white and rich?

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friendlycat · 07/11/2024 10:01

The problem is that it was up to the Americans to vote and they have and voted in Trump again. That was their decision to make and nothing can be done about that. We can't influence how another country votes.

Of course there will be wider global impacts for the fact he's been voted in to serve another term but there is simply nothing that you or I can do about that.

Of course our PM had to congratulate him and show diplomacy on a political level, irrespective of what he personally thinks. It was highly unprofessional for KS and Lammy to have said some of the things they voiced about Trump prior to the election as they can come back to bite you.

I also think that many in the UK doing the hand wringing that Trump got in do not recognise sufficiently the dynamics of why and it's too easy to make assumptions based on what we may think as another country, rather than what the country casting their votes think.

He has promised his country a better future and a change from the last four years they have experienced. (The Democrats really did foul this up big time.) That doesn't mean at all that Trump will deliver all his great promises, and I certainly am no supporter of his whatsoever.

But this was not our vote to cast. Step away from the media for a while and concentrate on things in your own life that you can control and influence.

ZoeHS · 07/11/2024 09:59

Sixpence39 · 07/11/2024 08:51

His one big policy is "drill drill drill" (for oil). So yes, that absolutely does affect all of us when we're already on target for catastrophic climate change in our lifetime and we have just a few years (basically his entire presidency) to take action to avoid the worst outcomes being predicted.

Exactly this.

MorrisZapp · 07/11/2024 09:48

Livelovebehappy · 07/11/2024 09:42

Starmer’s and Lammy’s (going to include Raynor in that too) past comments and references on Trump were so stupid, as to be negligent. One thing in politics surely is that you never publicly give out your own opinion on individuals who are potentially going to be running their country. Because it will come back to bite you on the arse. Embarrassing that Lammy, to save his own political career, has offered up his congratulations to Trump, when clearly Trump will know just how fake it is. People would think more of Lammy and his ilk if he had the balls to own what he has said in the past, and just refrain from making himself, and his party by association, look like complete idiots, by making such comments.

Well possibly, but the man he appointed Vice President called him a nazi so he's hardly new to getting over past slurs.

Livelovebehappy · 07/11/2024 09:42

MorrisZapp · 07/11/2024 09:16

Trump is loathesome but he was democratically elected, and is the legitimate President Elect. It's protocol to send congratulations, that's all. Of course Keir thinks the guy's a totall bellend, but the nature of international diplomacy requires him to say the empty words.

Starmer’s and Lammy’s (going to include Raynor in that too) past comments and references on Trump were so stupid, as to be negligent. One thing in politics surely is that you never publicly give out your own opinion on individuals who are potentially going to be running their country. Because it will come back to bite you on the arse. Embarrassing that Lammy, to save his own political career, has offered up his congratulations to Trump, when clearly Trump will know just how fake it is. People would think more of Lammy and his ilk if he had the balls to own what he has said in the past, and just refrain from making himself, and his party by association, look like complete idiots, by making such comments.

NewGreenDuck · 07/11/2024 09:41

So, on a practical level, what can we do?
The answer is nothing.

Livelovebehappy · 07/11/2024 09:36

He’s been in power before. The world didn’t stop. In fact I can’t remember much of American politics at that time, so I’m guessing he didn’t do anything major to the detriment of his country, although of course Covid was around at that time too. I’m far more worried about our own government, and what’s round the corner. Maybe invest some of that negative energy and angst into what’s happening here. That would be my advice.

Attelina · 07/11/2024 09:26

Calm your nerves by watching relaxing YouTube videos such as this one

Mischance · 07/11/2024 09:25

x2boys · 07/11/2024 08:53

I'm no fan of Keir Starmer but as the Prime Minister he has to be seen to be professional and keep relations with other country's political leaders as smooth as possible, what else could he have done but Congratulate Trump?( even if its through gritted teeth.)

Quite ... if Starmer had said what I am sure he really thinks, he would have put in jeopardy our safety and economic stability, and wiped out any chance of the UK having any influence at all, however minor.
I am fed up with people slagging Starmer off for doing his duty when it must have stuck in his throat and made him want to vomit.

thenoldmrsrabbit · 07/11/2024 09:22

Lentilweaver · 07/11/2024 08:51

Step away from the news a bit
Walk in nature
Cuddle family or pets
Watch a fun tv show
Go to an art gallery
I am stepping away from all the analysis today. And I have close family in red states.

I think this is good advice.

We are not designed to be able to cope with this amount of information, especially when the information is predominantly negative.

Only at this point in time do we have to deal with knowing about the difficulties in our own lives, our immediate community, our country and also in countries far from our own generally fuelled by a hand held device which accompanies us throughout the day.

If the information were of an uplifting nature then that's one thing, but because we are not being informed with individual's best interests at heart but for a whole variety of other reasons, most likely for financial gain and power, then this onslaught of information is not always beneficial.

I too like to be informed, and I understand that up to a point getting news out there is essential, but when change doesn't come, and atrocities keep happening in full view of the world I start to wonder whether psychologically speaking we wouldn't be better off knowing less.