Play date in XL Bully house

Yes i am.talking about family pets specifically, not guard dogs etc

This is a no brainer surely....? You can say no politely. You don't even need to explain yourself.

That photo is truly shocking. I'm flabbergasted.

@HornyHornersPinger , sadly it was .

Maybe it's not a family pet if it is capable of killing someone ?

Just a thought.

No no no no NO. Am pretty sure one of the deaths in recent years was a child who'd gone to a friends house

I dont understand why anyone would want a family pet that is capable of killing someone

No way would my kids be in a house with one of those dogs.

No, def wouldnt have strange kids around any dog TBH.
Either they are big enough to harm the kids or small enough they could be harmed.
Too young and might cause an accident from being overexcitable, too old and might be grumpy and snappy (understandable).
I would want to closely monitor any interactions and that usually just doesnt happen.

Im having adult family over for xmas and my midget psychopath will be crated for the duration as I just dont trust him (even though he is the size of a breadbox!).

Why? Her child doesn't have an issue with dogs, it's very specifically because this woman owns a dangerous, controlled breed. She should know that, it might make her think twice about why she feels the need to have one.

Well yes, we know there is an issue with the DNA, but you can't take a single XL Bully and sequence its genome and declare this the XL Bully genome, because they are classified by how they LOOK.

just say you/ your kid is scared of dogs - keep it impersonal.

https://banthebullyxluk.wordpress.com/2023/08/01/finding-kimbo/ Well reading this and the fact that the majority of them over here come from killer kimbos bloodline I'd say there is an issue with their DNA

I haven't read any studies into the DNA of XL Bullies

XL Bully isn't a genotype (DNA), it's a phenotype (what it looks like), so it is not possible to sequence the genome of an XL Bully,

I haven't read any studies into the DNA of XL Bullies but I would be interested to if you have any links/study names or names of the academics who published them? As far as I was aware the XL Bully is not even a recognised breed let alone one whose DNA could be or was being studied. How did they factor in the different mixtures of breeds that make up individual dogs classed as XL Bully?

The stats I posted are from a peer-reviewed study. When studying fatalities caused by dogs it was found that breed wasn't a correlating factor, however, 2 or more specific environmental circumstances were found to be present in over 83% of attacks, thus leading to the conclusion that management of the dog plays a much bigger role in whether they will go on to attack than breed does.

https://positively.com/victoria-stilwell/post/advocacy-fatal-dog-bites-share-common-factors

The study itself is behind a paywall but the above summarises it. I had paid access to the journal quoted because I needed it when studying for my degree in Canine Behaviour and Welfare. I don't feel the need to post a list of my qualifications when contributing to threads on a social media forum.

Like I said, I'm on the fence about these dogs, we have no evidence either way because we do not collect enough data on dogs in general or canine aggression towards humans to ever know enough to decide if one specific breed is inherently more aggressive or if there are just more of them in existence than other breeds.

Exactly.
I would. 👍

Absolutely not.

Tell her the truth. If you don't you may keep getting invited.

@Frequency Breed plays little into whether an attack will be likely

Utter nonsense! It's been PROVEN by professors in animal science & animal behaviours that the 'breed' (XL Bully) has unstable & violent tendencies. It's quite literally in their DNA! Why do you think they've been banned?!?! Just a hunch? A preference?!

Ffs. It winds me up no end when people on social media with zero credentials on a subject (I'm presuming this because if you did have professional credentials, you'd have made that quite clear by now) declare that they know so much better than qualified experts who've studied & worked on the subject, their entire careers! See also Covid vaccines 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

No way would I allow my child in a house with an XL bully, don't care if the owner says it's a lovely family pet, your son isn't part of their family and if he accidently did something to annoy the dog, it would possibly go for him and win.

seriously? Please search up some images of the injury to young children! Big fat NO.

OP I wouldn’t even go to someone’s house if they had an XL bully and I’m in my 30’s. Let alone send my child

HNRTFT but a big No .Just Be honest and say why, because the parents need to have it drummed in that XL dogs are a menace.
I love dogs BTW .

Nope, not a chance. It might be used to children but it's not used to your child.

OP, my apologies. I was so aghast at the situation that I mislaid my reading comprehension! Can completely understand not wanting school gate awkwardness, and XL bully owners aren’t that likely to be rational in my experience.
In that situation I’d probably go down the ‘I’m scared of big dogs’ route that a PP mentioned.

Sorry but a Rottweiler is a droving dog, it is not and never has been a Livestock Guarding breed. In fact it's not even a guarding breed.

I'd be less inclined to trust the Christmas Rottweiler than I would the XL Bully, not because I don't trust the breed, Rotts are typically gentle by nature being a traditional livestock guardian breed, but because of the situation.

Breed plays little into whether an attack will be likely, whereas in over 83% of fatalities, a small number of factors have been identified as being present, 3 of which are an unfamiliar environment, the victim was not immediate family, and a lack of supervision by a responsible, able-bodied adult. Add that to the size of the dog and you're asking for trouble.

I'd also question the BIL's ability to train and socialise any animal. I know and trust my dog but that is a situation I would never place him in, for his own sake if nothing else. If we have strange people around, especially children who are unpredictable and unsettling for even the best of dogs and I cannot supervise 100%, my dogs are either kept in another part of the house away from the danger or they are kennelled. It's a stressful environment even for well-socialised dogs. And the second someone tells me their child has no boundaries around animals I remove myself and my animal from the vicinity.