Actually feeling annoyed at the democrats

Of course the other thing is that had Obama not done a deal with the Clintons that effectively stopped Biden running in 2016, we could have avoided all this. So much for democracy.

The thing is that’s just not true- elections are basically decided by swing voters- people who might vote for either party depending on how they feel at the time so there were people who voted Biden last time but Trump this time. This is why I find the vitriol directed at Trump supporters unhelpful because the ones that actually decided the election probably voted democrat last time so the question is why not this time?

So wait a minute, part of your issue is that Kamala is too much of an educated women and doesn’t have children?
I am sure that many words will be spent analysing why the Republicans won and the Democrats did not, but I really hope that history does not come down on the side of well, the Democrats had the temerity to have an educated woman without children as their presidential candidate.
What counts as too educated? Let’s say she was not educated beyond high school, then it would be, well, how does she know x, y or z.
And what if she had children, then it would be why is she not focusing on her children?
If you mean, the issue was the Democrats fielded a woman, then state that and call out the sexism. But let’s be honest about that. It’s nothing to do with her level of education or whether she has children or not.

And whether or not @outandunder is correct about misogyny (and I suspect it is at least part of the equation), neither party is going to field another female candidate in a hurry.

They did go about it the wrong way. They changed candidates too late and it feels that's on Biden. But in a way I'm not sure it made a difference, those who were going to vote democrat would have done so whomever the candidate was just to keep Trump out. And those who voted Trump, would they have voted democrat if there had been a different candidate? Surely you have to be pretty partisan to vote Trump, to the point you would never vote otherwise. But I'm really interested in what others think about this, I'm trying to get my head around. I just can't imagine someone saying oh, I'd vote democrat if I liked the candidate more but as it is I'll vote for Trump. There's a huge gulf in ideology that means i can't make that make sense.

I don't get why Hilary & Kamala are so unacceptable (well I do, misogyny) I'm a brown woman, educated, I would have voted for both these women and will them on over the last 2 elections from a far, but most countries will not vote a woman in, let alone a brown woman, sad but they were doomed from the start

Totally agree. Trump didn't win this election, the Democrats lost it.

The Democrats have lost to Trump two times out of three, so there is a lot of blame to share around.