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Actually feeling annoyed at the democrats

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Newsenmum · 06/11/2024 19:45

AIBU to just feel annoyed at them this time? I feel like they went about this election in completely the wrong way and like most politicians, really have no idea about the country they’re trying to unite.

  • Biden. What a joke. I do actually feel sorry for him (for his aging and the way it was portrayed) but how on earth was he allowed to be reelected? It was so embarrassing and made them look so vulnerable as a party, And it took them far too long. And he was also accused of rape in his early days which the Trump-ists think makes him even worse as no one really talks about this.
  • Kamala as a candidate. No way in hell was she going to be accepted. The state the country is in where someone like Trump was another option - she wasn’t a great choice (which is a sad thing as she is a very competent woman). She’s a women without children, alien in how educated she is.
  • their campaign - felt quite wishy washy and focussing a lot on abortion rights. I feel like they were completely preaching to the wrong audience about this. People who were worried about abortion rights were already never going to vote Trump. So this was t a way to win people. The focus seemed very pro abortion which is too pro choice for most Americans (even a lot of people who think they are pro choice only like it in certain circumstances).
  • Trump is seen as sone anti establishment hero. He’s ‘different’ whereas democrats are ‘one of the same’. They are ‘them’.

I don’t know, I think I’m just frustrated this time.

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Miniopolis · 06/11/2024 20:30

freddyfluffball · 06/11/2024 20:24

@SimpleThings101 I agree with you but I think she would have lost by more if she'd appeared articulate and educated. I don't think that's what lost her votes, look at her opponent.

Exactly. People that voted for Trump chose to vote for Trump and everything that he stands for. They didn’t choose to not vote Democrat because of something the Democrats did, they chose to vote for Trump. There’s no excuse for it.

RisingSunn · 06/11/2024 20:29

Miniopolis · 06/11/2024 20:14

I’ve said this in another thread but - well yes they could have run a better campaign but still I’m seeing a lot of ‘well it’s the democrats’ fault, what do you expect if you call other people racist, sexist and bigoted etc.’

Well, if the response to that is to vote for the racist, sexist, bigoted, er.. felon, then I do believe you walk like a duck.

also, the fact that anybody would vote for Trump against any candidate the Democrats could have put in place blows my mind. I saw a quote on X that said something like it’s like being on a plane and being offered the chicken or the shit sandwich with glass in it, and asking how the chicken was cooked?

Many people of colour voted for Trump. More than usual I think?

Sometimes being able to feed your family comfortably, buy a home, find work etc weighs more heavily than the morality/character of the candidate.
(I’m not saying that’s the right approach to have - but it’s what I’ve been hearing).

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 06/11/2024 20:29

Newsenmum · 06/11/2024 19:45

AIBU to just feel annoyed at them this time? I feel like they went about this election in completely the wrong way and like most politicians, really have no idea about the country they’re trying to unite.

  • Biden. What a joke. I do actually feel sorry for him (for his aging and the way it was portrayed) but how on earth was he allowed to be reelected? It was so embarrassing and made them look so vulnerable as a party, And it took them far too long. And he was also accused of rape in his early days which the Trump-ists think makes him even worse as no one really talks about this.
  • Kamala as a candidate. No way in hell was she going to be accepted. The state the country is in where someone like Trump was another option - she wasn’t a great choice (which is a sad thing as she is a very competent woman). She’s a women without children, alien in how educated she is.
  • their campaign - felt quite wishy washy and focussing a lot on abortion rights. I feel like they were completely preaching to the wrong audience about this. People who were worried about abortion rights were already never going to vote Trump. So this was t a way to win people. The focus seemed very pro abortion which is too pro choice for most Americans (even a lot of people who think they are pro choice only like it in certain circumstances).
  • Trump is seen as sone anti establishment hero. He’s ‘different’ whereas democrats are ‘one of the same’. They are ‘them’.

I don’t know, I think I’m just frustrated this time.

Well, if she is too educated then she was hiding it really well.

Miniopolis · 06/11/2024 20:29

Newsenmum · 06/11/2024 20:17

But you’ve got to get think about why. If someone is voting for a rapist felon, then something is going very wrong.

Yes. But if the answer to any question is Trump, then I think there needs to be individual responsibility too. Like what the fuck do you think you’re doing voting for him type of personal responsibility.

SimpleThings101 · 06/11/2024 20:27

freddyfluffball · 06/11/2024 20:24

@SimpleThings101 I agree with you but I think she would have lost by more if she'd appeared articulate and educated. I don't think that's what lost her votes, look at her opponent.

Good point, well made @freddyfluffball

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Zapx · 06/11/2024 20:26

I really blame the democrats. Biden should have been made to stand down much much sooner. Harris basically struggled to shrug off the accusations that she’d been covering up for him for years, which was a disaster for her campaign. Also, the Biden administration is extremely unpopular. She never managed to come up with any answers as to what she’d do differently, which was never going to go down well imo.

freddyfluffball · 06/11/2024 20:24

@SimpleThings101 I agree with you but I think she would have lost by more if she'd appeared articulate and educated. I don't think that's what lost her votes, look at her opponent.

Whatonearth07957 · 06/11/2024 20:24

Why do the left seek to demonise? Happens everywhere. I'm a moderate centralist but see the appeal in voting right when you're not able to voice concerns. The media helped the pro Trump vote and still don't get it.

LaPalmaLlama · 06/11/2024 20:24

Newsenmum · 06/11/2024 20:08

And that’s another thing. The democrats and their supporters define themselves as being ‘the good guys’ and ‘nice to everyone’ which means the deals and corruption look so much worse.

Yes but actually the progressive left is toxic as fuck and spew their vitriol on Twitter for everyone to see/ read. The #bekind thing is mainly just a way of closing down debate. They flap their hands about democracy when they basically invented cancel culture so I can understand why people get frustrated with them.

SimpleThings101 · 06/11/2024 20:22

AmericanEskimoDoge · 06/11/2024 20:13

Speaking for myself and the other women I know who voted Republican: The race or sex of the candidates ranks extremely low in importance in our decision-making process. We voted on policies and our faith in the candidate to make the right choices for our country.

I'd gladly vote for a black, brown, Asian, or other minority candidate, male or female, if I felt they would lead the nation in the right direction. Harris was not that person. Sure, I'd love to see a powerful woman hold the highest office in my lifetime, until we have a viable female candidate whose policies I support, I will continue to vote for men. I feel the same way about race: It's not that important a factor for me, though I'd be thrilled to have a minority Republican in office, if only to show people that we're not making decisions based on race. I'm sure there'd still be some reason that it wouldn't count, though. Obviously conservatives are evil and racist no matter what we do. Grin

As an aside, I'm astounded by people who insist that Harris is well-educated and very intelligent. Fine, maybe she has the degrees to claim she's "educated", and I'm not saying she's stupid, but she has never struck me as exceptionally bright. If she is intelligent, it's not coming across when she speaks in public. She has a way of talking in platitudinous circles without actually saying anything that is incredibly frustrating.

“she has never struck me as exceptionally bright. If she is intelligent, it's not coming across when she speaks in public”

I’m not American and have no great interest in this other than the obvious fact that it’s worldwide news. But I really have to agree with @AmericanEskimoDoge here.

From what I’ve seen and heard of Harris she conceals her education and her intellect extremely well. 😐

Newsenmum · 06/11/2024 20:21

freddyfluffball · 06/11/2024 20:20

@Newsenmum it must be that they will benefit in some way to the extent they can overlook the harm that will be caused to others by it. The obvious answer is they think Trump will improve the economy.

I think that’s a lot of it, yes. And that things will keep getting worse and worse with the democrats. The average American has a shit life atm.

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freddyfluffball · 06/11/2024 20:20

@Newsenmum it must be that they will benefit in some way to the extent they can overlook the harm that will be caused to others by it. The obvious answer is they think Trump will improve the economy.

Snoopsnoggysnog · 06/11/2024 20:19

AmericanEskimoDoge · 06/11/2024 20:13

Speaking for myself and the other women I know who voted Republican: The race or sex of the candidates ranks extremely low in importance in our decision-making process. We voted on policies and our faith in the candidate to make the right choices for our country.

I'd gladly vote for a black, brown, Asian, or other minority candidate, male or female, if I felt they would lead the nation in the right direction. Harris was not that person. Sure, I'd love to see a powerful woman hold the highest office in my lifetime, until we have a viable female candidate whose policies I support, I will continue to vote for men. I feel the same way about race: It's not that important a factor for me, though I'd be thrilled to have a minority Republican in office, if only to show people that we're not making decisions based on race. I'm sure there'd still be some reason that it wouldn't count, though. Obviously conservatives are evil and racist no matter what we do. Grin

As an aside, I'm astounded by people who insist that Harris is well-educated and very intelligent. Fine, maybe she has the degrees to claim she's "educated", and I'm not saying she's stupid, but she has never struck me as exceptionally bright. If she is intelligent, it's not coming across when she speaks in public. She has a way of talking in platitudinous circles without actually saying anything that is incredibly frustrating.

So can you explain your faith in Trump then?

Newsenmum · 06/11/2024 20:17

Miniopolis · 06/11/2024 20:14

I’ve said this in another thread but - well yes they could have run a better campaign but still I’m seeing a lot of ‘well it’s the democrats’ fault, what do you expect if you call other people racist, sexist and bigoted etc.’

Well, if the response to that is to vote for the racist, sexist, bigoted, er.. felon, then I do believe you walk like a duck.

also, the fact that anybody would vote for Trump against any candidate the Democrats could have put in place blows my mind. I saw a quote on X that said something like it’s like being on a plane and being offered the chicken or the shit sandwich with glass in it, and asking how the chicken was cooked?

But you’ve got to get think about why. If someone is voting for a rapist felon, then something is going very wrong.

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freddyfluffball · 06/11/2024 20:16

Miniopolis · 06/11/2024 20:14

I’ve said this in another thread but - well yes they could have run a better campaign but still I’m seeing a lot of ‘well it’s the democrats’ fault, what do you expect if you call other people racist, sexist and bigoted etc.’

Well, if the response to that is to vote for the racist, sexist, bigoted, er.. felon, then I do believe you walk like a duck.

also, the fact that anybody would vote for Trump against any candidate the Democrats could have put in place blows my mind. I saw a quote on X that said something like it’s like being on a plane and being offered the chicken or the shit sandwich with glass in it, and asking how the chicken was cooked?

Yeah this pretty much sums it up in my opinion!

Miniopolis · 06/11/2024 20:14

I’ve said this in another thread but - well yes they could have run a better campaign but still I’m seeing a lot of ‘well it’s the democrats’ fault, what do you expect if you call other people racist, sexist and bigoted etc.’

Well, if the response to that is to vote for the racist, sexist, bigoted, er.. felon, then I do believe you walk like a duck.

also, the fact that anybody would vote for Trump against any candidate the Democrats could have put in place blows my mind. I saw a quote on X that said something like it’s like being on a plane and being offered the chicken or the shit sandwich with glass in it, and asking how the chicken was cooked?

Newsenmum · 06/11/2024 20:14

LadyMinerva · 06/11/2024 20:12

Trump won that election the moment that kid shot at him in Pennsylvania. It was like a redneck call to arms.

yeah, that didn’t help at all.

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Newsenmum · 06/11/2024 20:13

outandunder · 06/11/2024 19:50

I don't get why Hilary & Kamala are so unacceptable (well I do, misogyny) I'm a brown woman, educated, I would have voted for both these women and will them on over the last 2 elections from a far, but most countries will not vote a woman in, let alone a brown woman, sad but they were doomed from the start Sad

I agree and it’s a very sad state of affairs. But we also knew this about the American public.

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AmericanEskimoDoge · 06/11/2024 20:13

Speaking for myself and the other women I know who voted Republican: The race or sex of the candidates ranks extremely low in importance in our decision-making process. We voted on policies and our faith in the candidate to make the right choices for our country.

I'd gladly vote for a black, brown, Asian, or other minority candidate, male or female, if I felt they would lead the nation in the right direction. Harris was not that person. Sure, I'd love to see a powerful woman hold the highest office in my lifetime, until we have a viable female candidate whose policies I support, I will continue to vote for men. I feel the same way about race: It's not that important a factor for me, though I'd be thrilled to have a minority Republican in office, if only to show people that we're not making decisions based on race. I'm sure there'd still be some reason that it wouldn't count, though. Obviously conservatives are evil and racist no matter what we do. Grin

As an aside, I'm astounded by people who insist that Harris is well-educated and very intelligent. Fine, maybe she has the degrees to claim she's "educated", and I'm not saying she's stupid, but she has never struck me as exceptionally bright. If she is intelligent, it's not coming across when she speaks in public. She has a way of talking in platitudinous circles without actually saying anything that is incredibly frustrating.

LadyMinerva · 06/11/2024 20:12

Trump won that election the moment that kid shot at him in Pennsylvania. It was like a redneck call to arms.

Newsenmum · 06/11/2024 20:12

freddyfluffball · 06/11/2024 20:08

@LaPalmaLlama thank you, I suppose that's the bit I don't understand, how can you be a swing voter between the democrats and Trump, they are just so poles apart. But as you say they have decided the election, the thing to do now is understand what made them swing.

People tend to feel passionate about one thing and focus on that.

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amIloud · 06/11/2024 20:09

It's Biden's fault for not stepping down sooner. The Democrats could not have picked anyone else.

Newsenmum · 06/11/2024 20:08

LaPalmaLlama · 06/11/2024 19:58

Of course the other thing is that had Obama not done a deal with the Clintons that effectively stopped Biden running in 2016, we could have avoided all this. So much for democracy.

And that’s another thing. The democrats and their supporters define themselves as being ‘the good guys’ and ‘nice to everyone’ which means the deals and corruption look so much worse.

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freddyfluffball · 06/11/2024 20:08

@LaPalmaLlama thank you, I suppose that's the bit I don't understand, how can you be a swing voter between the democrats and Trump, they are just so poles apart. But as you say they have decided the election, the thing to do now is understand what made them swing.

Newsenmum · 06/11/2024 20:07

Maraudingmarauders · 06/11/2024 19:49

Totally agree. Trump didn't win this election, the Democrats lost it.

This is what I feel. It’s so sad.

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