Actually feeling annoyed at the democrats

Definitely understand your annoyance at the Democrats. Maybe for different reasons but there is much to be annoyed at

America was never going to vote for a women, especially not a black one. In a country where over half of all adults have low literacy skills, it's not hard to understand. How are those adults going to get their information? It's not like they can then critically assess what they watch and hear. We've seen it in other threads. People posting links that don't actually say what they think they say, or are just blatently untrue. The trump soundbites being parroted by women.
Some of the dumbest states have the most electoral college votes and are, in fact, over represented in the EC. These states vote against their own interests time and time again without realising the damage they cause themselves. They are kept undereducated by those they vote for 🤷‍♀️
It is what it is but kidding oneself that misogyny, including internalised, and religious zealots weren't the guiding force does no one any favours.
You only have to look at how these women are demonised and held to a standard so much higher than any man. And in such vile ways. The name calling, the demeaning, the assumption that every successful woman got their on her back is prevalent and WOMEN tend to take that narrative and run with it.

The rich were always going to go with the rich white dude. Nothing new there. lol

Oh, and I'm not angry or upset. I'm actually feeling hopeful that the rest of the world can finally pull away for the US and let them be the isolationists they've always wanted to be.

We all can guess who those will be already. And am sure, just as the voting process was VERY well coordinated and upgraded from four years ago, both Parties will be doing some serious soul searching.

Is refreshing that all politicians got their rear ends handed to them by the voters.

A very insightful post @WhichSock .

Tbh, I think that both parties need to do some serious soul-searching and come up with some moderate candidates for 2028 who will have widespread appeal.

The "why" is that

1. they are not central to the voters - who are more moderate and middle ground in both parties;
2. they have a far left such as AOC in NY - progressives/socialists they need to dump;
3. there are MANY LEGAL immigrants who are being hurt economically by illegal aliens. It is also insulting to LEGAL immigrants for those coming across the borders to be termed as an "immigrant". They are NOT immigrants until they have immigrated LEGALLY in the U.S. and are basically taking up financial resources for all legal Americans. So they are "illegally" in the US and they are migrants not immigrants! Therefore, many LEGAL immigrants voted against the Dem party because with Trump and all Republicans voted in, they are pro enforcing AMERICAN immigration statues.

Totally agree! As an American, I find it insulting for someone to think I would vote based on a candidate's race OR if a candidate is male/female.

Nearly every American today is of mixed race; except those from another country who have legally become naturalized citizens! 😂 Why we keep having to keep "color" score? Ask left wing Democrats: they race as well as economics (giving away money) so they can sway and DIVIDE Americans.

I too would have enjoyed seeing an American female become President, if she was a GOOD candidate, better than the other opponent regardless of their gender.

You see, I’ve got no axe to grind here. 🤷🏼‍♀️
I’m not American and I didn’t vote.
Just giving my impressions of Harris.

See Jonathan Pie on this.

Yep, looks like he may have got fewer votes than in 2020. Democrat voters stayed at home. The party needs to ask itself why.

Agree with this. Just the same as Labour didn't really win our election, the Tories lost it.

Great post OP. I agree with your sentiments entirely.

Yeh and Trump is bigly clever is he?

No, you are not being unreasonable.

The only thing more dismal than Trump
winning is the reaction from some progressives; a total lack of introspection or understanding or any genuine attempt
to understand why Trump’s tired old routine and bullshit attracted over 70 million votes. Instead we’ve just had the usual toys out of the pram response.

They spend too much time being mystified about how someone could vote for a convicted criminal, a misogynist, a racist, and not enough time trying to understand why Trump’s voters weren’t concerned about any of that, or still voted for him
in spite of it. 70 million plus people aren’t all idiots, racists, or hillbillies.

Love him or hate him (and I’m the latter), he presents a vision for America that a very large number of people buy into. Yeah, it’s all nonsense, but the Democrats didn’t present any alternative vision. They didn’t give disaffected people any sense that they agreed that things weren’t going well and there needed to be big changes. They dug their own political grave.

Is possible.

I felt it all slipping away when the media was ablaze with "kamala IS brat"...puerile nonsense.

One other big thing to keep in mind is that Harris lost to Trump or just didn’t get union endorsements as democrats have in past elections. This should have been the canary in the coal mine. Democrats are losing the middle class. It’s taking longer for them to flip but it’s happening and this campaign may be the watershed moment.

Well presumably some of those Trump voters voted Democrat when the candidate was Biden, so it is possible they would have voted differently for a different candidate - or possible that non voters would’ve made the effort to vote for a different candidate.

This. Trump wone this election wit 72m votes, he lost in 2020 with 74m. And this become really significant when you see that Biden won with 81m, but Harris only got 67m.

The democrats lost 14m voters and also failed to win over the 2m who chose not to come out for Trump this time. This is huge.

I think there’s some misogyny in there, but mostly the democrats played to all the wrong issues, failed to recognise that poorly managed immigration and the economy were key. And, I daresay, that people are tired of so-called ‘woke’ policy guiding funding and legislation. The abortion issue is huge, but many states offered a vote on this separate to the presidential campaigns because it’s now a state matter anyway and, as another poster states, being pro-choice is not the same as being pro-abortion so their positioning was a miscalculation.

It is easier for people on here to blame it on misogyny or racism than accept that Harris just was not a good candidate.

How do you know what enthusiasm voted Labour i was happy that Labour got in millions voted Labour to . Unless reform works with the tory party they are split which splits the right vote

Similar here really. Starmer won but with a low turnout and minimal enthusiasm..millions voted Reform, the Tories were done after 14 years.

I gave up watching at about 5.30am but just before I did, the BBC went to an interview with a Democrat donor called Lindy Li, who looked tired and fed up and probably for that reason, actually spoke with some candour and addressed the elephant in the room. Which was that Kamala Harris had been appointed as a default option, and that there might have been a better potential President available if there had been time to go through the normal process.

Harris was never the person to compete with Trump's outrageous verbal ramblings, in fact, she seemed to muster very little passion. Political journalists now refer to this a "Ming Vase" campaign style where the favourite is entirely focused on not dropping their precious lead. It worked for Starmer against Sunak, because Rishi had fuck all to boast about from his two years as PM. It didn't work for Kamala against someone who, for all his bullshit and incoherence, had presided over a successful economy.

Just because a "shooters were Republican"😂ROFL. Just because one claims to be a Republican or is Registered a Republican or has voted Republican doesn't MEAN an American ALWAYS votes or LIKES the Republican candidate! Tee hee that is just making me laugh so much! What do you a person MUST be of the opposite party to hate the candidate you are looking to assassinate....or be PAID by a DEM who really does; or perhaps the shooters were just freakin CRAZY and DELUSIONAL? Liz Cheney (spelling corrected) who is seen as a "Benedict Arnold" by many in the US, who could never have gotten anywhere without riding on her father's coat tails; she shot HERSELF in the foot! (Meaning no one needs to shoot her, she did it herself; Trump said that because she cannot be trusted to run on loving her country, without personal gain).

The Democrats should have courted Elon Musk. Trump didn't hesitate.

It is because we can do so, not because of her gender or her skin color! No one has to vote STRAIGHT party lines; all state governors elected on the same year calendar, just as the House and Senate are timed.

Part of the problem may have been that there are some in the US who feel "Affirmative Action" went way too far, especially in CA. Harris didn't get there on her intelligence, her capability,...but because she got college funding, placement, etc due to her being a woman and of color. It can hurt someone if they check the box to climb to the top; just like it hurt Obama. Affirmative action went on so LONG some Americans began to RESENT and wonder just when it would be seen as discrimination. That happened this year: it is no longer allowed by schools, etc to use the fact a person is white as a reason to NOT offer equal treatment on admissions. To use QUALIFICATIONS, test scores, etc.

He was spot on in many points about the Harris campaign. There really was no substance to it at all. It’s probably the most accurate post mortum from someone who doesn’t like Trump that I’ve seen so far.

While I’m here I did post in one of the other threads an article breaking down demographics. (I’m too lazy to find it again ) Age wise it was Gen X and Z that came out for Trump. He picked up more Women. He also picked up Latino men in huge numbers and saw a nice gain with Black men.

ETA: He made a really good point about the size of government and the power it yields as a big issue that wasn’t addressed at all by Harris. Trump got the unlikeliest martyr for his cause. A squirrel named Peanut and a Raccoon named Fred. I honestly think the murder of these pets crystallized the issue of government control and overreach more than anything else could have.

I don't actually think it's that much of a problem that Kamala was a WOC, the problem was that the Democrats position themselves as the lesser of two evils and don't offer any bloody change! The working class are on their knees in the US with cost of living, especially housing costs. She needed to desperately address that stuff.

I agree with a PP that quite frankly the pro/anti abortion stuff is a given with those 2 parties so it almost becomes a non issue because people already know that stance. People need to bloody house and feed themselves and wanted someone who said they would make sure that would happen and how they would do it. Basically "yes Harris I realise I can have marginally easier access to an abortion under the Dems but Trump is suggesting I'll have more money in my pocket and I am living in abject poverty even though I work".... that's what gets swing voters.

Incredibly frustrating and predictable. The reason Obama won was because he promised change (and under delivered, his healthcare reform was massively watered down in the end) and quite frankly Biden rode his coattails.