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Witchcraftandhokum · 06/11/2024 19:10

I genuinely don't understand why anyone would vote for Trump

If you're American and voted for him or would have voted for him if you lived there can you please explain why?

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twomanyfrogsinabox · 06/11/2024 20:55

Witchcraftandhokum · 06/11/2024 19:10

I genuinely don't understand why anyone would vote for Trump

If you're American and voted for him or would have voted for him if you lived there can you please explain why?

Trump has promised everything will be great once he is president (everyone will be better off, migrants will be gone, corruption will disappear, crime will disappear, you can keep your guns, fuel will be cheap, wars will end, and America will be great again, etc, etc) and enough people believe enough of what he has promised to vote him in.

Also putting a woman up against him was a mistake, large chunks of the US are still extremely reluctant to accept that a woman could lead the country.

Ilovelifeverymuch · 06/11/2024 20:52

iamtheblcksheep · 06/11/2024 19:23

In British terms your senator is your mp representing your constituency or in US terms your state.

The House of Representatives are your local councillors. In US terms your district.

Edited

That's not really true.

@MumOfOneAllAlone look at it as your Parliament split into 2, the Senate based on 2 equal members for each state so 100 senators representing the 50 states and the house which is based on population across the states so some states will have more house of rep members if they have higher population.

Both the Senate and house must pass bills into law but in the UK your councillors are not passing laws in Parliament, only MPs can do that.

In the UK Parliament pass laws for the country while local councillors represent wards and operate at local community level. In the US the Senate and house both pass laws for the country at federal level while the aldermen pass laws at city level representing wards.

So in summary the equivalent of local councillors in the UK will be Alderman at the city level in the US.

Another difference, states also have their state senate and house passing laws for the state with the governor acting as executive for the state. At the city level the mayor will be the executive who works with the aldermen to pass laws.

In the US laws are proposed through bills in either the Senate or house and goes through the parliamentary process and then vote which needs 2/3rd from both the Senate and house to pass. If it passes both Senate and house then it goes to the president who can sign the bill into law or veto it and send it back.

AvidAunt · 06/11/2024 20:46

CharSiu · 06/11/2024 20:23

I haven’t explicitly asked but I know my now American citizens brothers will have voted Republican. They don’t like tax, they pay a lot already and that’s the bottom line. They very much made it from a poor background and would say they view people that unless they are severely ill or disabled as lazy. They also don’t believe in critical race theory, they are not white and made it.

Regarding taxes (I'm American and pay quite a bit myself, into six figures per year between federal and state income taxes, so I DO feel the pain), we are still under Trump's tax plan. The TCJA expires in 2025. Going into his second presidency, Trump has been talking about reducing the corporate tax, deporting undocumented workers (44% of all agricultural laborers in the US are undocumented immigrants), and raising tariffs on goods brought in from outside of the US. If he decides to move forward in this manner, our income taxes will likely stay the same or increase and our cost of food and goods will increase as well.

Willyoujustbequiet · 06/11/2024 20:44

ClareBlue · 06/11/2024 20:33

In summary this post is exactly why he Is elected today.
Demonising and labelling of 71 million Americans who have different priorities and perspectives with absolutely no attempt to understand their position by a smug ideologically driven elite. Of course there are a core who fit the description of this poster but they don't win you elections. It's the millions who don't actually care about him being labelled criminal because all the pre Trump 'respectable', 'honest' politicians over their lifetime weren't that, just more respectable crimes, and they never changed anything for them anyway. Any questioning of a progressive liberal agenda being shut down because you are either with us or dumb and ignorant.
They found some hope of change in Trump and are prepared to ignore his obvious character flaws.
For a cohort who call the opposition uneducated and stupid, the Liberal left are very slow at understanding the realities of elections. The same is happening in Europe but they think the argument will be won by labelling everyone far right, closing all debate, cancelling people who are not with them, and driving ideological change without societal consensus. It's literally never worked in history and it won't again.

I make no attempt to understand why anyone would support an abuser. I couldn't give a shiny shit.

If you turn a blind eye to rape or abuse then you deserve to be demonised.

MrsPeregrine · 06/11/2024 20:43

Maybe because they are fed up of multi-millionaire celebrities telling them who to vote for.

HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 06/11/2024 20:41

@BloodandGlitter

Because they see his policies as being better for the country than hers. Simple as that. His personal life is a secondary concern to those who vote for him- hence the success of MAGA. Many Republicans are very patriotic and this is very important to them.

Because I know I'll get attacked, I'll say again, I think Trump is a terrible person. Those who idolize him and dismiss the valid objections to him morally, are in the wrong.

Thankfully there are checks and balances here so it's not like he's going to become a dictator like people are hysterically claiming.

username7891 · 06/11/2024 20:40

HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 06/11/2024 20:36

@Zanatdy

Yes, Trump is horrible in regards to his treatment of women, as I've mentioned repeatedly. Won't find me denying that.

I'm taking about HER reputation though, saying that is the wide perception of her in the area I live, in response to the OP's question.

And yes, it's questionable that her career took off after her affair.

Slut shaming women and being sceptical of their career success is nothing new for misogynists. I'm surprised that's all they're saying. I think Trump called her advisors pimps.

MissConductUS · 06/11/2024 20:37

tarheelbaby · 06/11/2024 19:25

Re: the senate - In the US, 'parliament' is known as Congress. There are two parts.
One part, the senate, has 2 representatives per state. They serve a 3 year term so every year 33% of the senate comes up for re-election to keep things turning over (in theory).

The other part of Congress is the House of Representatives ('the House') This is decided by population of a state. So states with loads of residents (e.g. NY) are entitled to more representatives. The representatives come up for re-election every 2 years so there is turn over in the House but not at the same time/rate as in the senate.

Both groups, senators and representatives vote at the same time and with the same weight on proposals which might become laws, similar to votes in UK Parliament. And in the same way, congresspeople are encouraged by their parties (Democratic/Republican) to vote the party line.

Senators serve a six year term, so a third have to run for reelection every two years.

www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/our-government/the-legislative-branch/

And the House and the Senate don't always vote on legislation as the same time. Often a bill will originate in one, then get brought up for a vote in the other after going through a reconciliation process.

https://www.congress.gov/legislative-process/resolving-differences

BloodandGlitter · 06/11/2024 20:36

How can anyone justify their voting for a man who had a quite close relationship with known paedophiles and spent a lot of time on their island, has been accused of raping children and women, who has affairs, mocked a disabled man, thinks women who have abortions should be punished even if they're rape victims.
I don't understand how anyone can push this into the backs of their minds and ignore it because trans people, the economy and immigration are much more important?

HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 06/11/2024 20:36

@Zanatdy

Yes, Trump is horrible in regards to his treatment of women, as I've mentioned repeatedly. Won't find me denying that.

I'm taking about HER reputation though, saying that is the wide perception of her in the area I live, in response to the OP's question.

And yes, it's questionable that her career took off after her affair.

BTsrule · 06/11/2024 20:34

MoanyPony · 06/11/2024 20:10

delivers his lines well

🤣🤣🤪🤪🤪

This bar is so low

It baffles me why anyone would vote for Trump but he does deliver his lines well if you are dumb and can’t cope with more than soundbites. Kamala was too smart for many.

HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 06/11/2024 20:34

@BloodandGlitter

Think you responded to the wrong person? I didn't anything about adoption.

ClareBlue · 06/11/2024 20:33

Willyoujustbequiet · 06/11/2024 19:27

In summary there are a lot of racist, misogynistic Americans who are happy to turn a blind eye to felony and support sexual abusers.

Some not very nice people really.

In summary this post is exactly why he Is elected today.
Demonising and labelling of 71 million Americans who have different priorities and perspectives with absolutely no attempt to understand their position by a smug ideologically driven elite. Of course there are a core who fit the description of this poster but they don't win you elections. It's the millions who don't actually care about him being labelled criminal because all the pre Trump 'respectable', 'honest' politicians over their lifetime weren't that, just more respectable crimes, and they never changed anything for them anyway. Any questioning of a progressive liberal agenda being shut down because you are either with us or dumb and ignorant.
They found some hope of change in Trump and are prepared to ignore his obvious character flaws.
For a cohort who call the opposition uneducated and stupid, the Liberal left are very slow at understanding the realities of elections. The same is happening in Europe but they think the argument will be won by labelling everyone far right, closing all debate, cancelling people who are not with them, and driving ideological change without societal consensus. It's literally never worked in history and it won't again.

Takoneko · 06/11/2024 20:32

iamtheblcksheep · 06/11/2024 19:23

In British terms your senator is your mp representing your constituency or in US terms your state.

The House of Representatives are your local councillors. In US terms your district.

Edited

I’m sorry to be pedantic but this is not correct. The Senate is the Upper House of the national legislature. The equivalent body in the UK is the House of Lords. The House of Representatives is the lower house, the equivalent of the House of Commons they serve at national level. The systems are so different that they operate really differently though. There are also state legislatures that operate at state level.

Wellbeige · 06/11/2024 20:32

BloodandGlitter · 06/11/2024 20:29

@HuckleberryBlackcurrant how many children have you adopted?

I don’t think it’s helpful to start personal attacks like some kind of ‘gotcha’

it’s been really helpful hearing these POV

Zanatdy · 06/11/2024 20:29

QuirkyRaven · 06/11/2024 20:25

“Slept her way to the top” goodness, that vile misogynist really has you
doing his work for him. For shame.

Hilarious anyone can say that about Kamala isn’t it and not a word about Donald’s sexual history / crimes. When a woman does well, other women love to accuse them of sleeping their way to the top. Disgusting attitude

BloodandGlitter · 06/11/2024 20:29

@HuckleberryBlackcurrant how many children have you adopted?

HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 06/11/2024 20:28

I said that was the perception here. I think she has worked hard, but she definitely got her start with a boost from her affair partner.

For the record, I think Trump's behavior towards women is vile.

iamtheblcksheep · 06/11/2024 20:28

QuirkyRaven · 06/11/2024 20:25

“Slept her way to the top” goodness, that vile misogynist really has you
doing his work for him. For shame.

Not if it’s true.

Zanatdy · 06/11/2024 20:27

MoanyPony · 06/11/2024 20:09

he is charismatic

Oh wow, is that what passes as charisma these days??!!

You took the words out of mouth! I guess you could say he’s got character, but not a decent character in my opinion. Maybe people think he’d charismatic. That would be like saying Farage was charismatic. People seem to want someone who is a bit out there, but then don’t be surprised when he talks a load of rubbish. Let’s see if he delivers on his promise. Fuel and food costs are high the world over. I’m just grateful i’m not an American, especially glad given i’m female

QuirkyRaven · 06/11/2024 20:25

HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 06/11/2024 20:14

I'm a British living in the US. I think Trump is an awful person, but I think the policies that Harris endorses are worse than his policies. I'm also pro life so that's a huge issue that Trump is better on IMO.

Also, people are in the US are tired of being called racist and told we should feel guilty by dint of their skin colour, and Trump pushed back against that.

Everything is so polarized here, it's really awful. It may as well be 2 countries at this point. There is no dialogue to be had, each side hates the other so much.

I think Trump personally is not a good person, but I think he will be better for the country with his policies. Look at the stock markets this morning. He will be better with Israel, better on the border. Ukraine remains to be seen.

Kamala Harris is unlikeable and there is a widespread perception that she slept/finagled her way to the top and didn't earn her success.

I live in a very Republican area, full disclosure. I did not vote (not a citizen).

“Slept her way to the top” goodness, that vile misogynist really has you
doing his work for him. For shame.

dorabora · 06/11/2024 20:23

I don't know much about us politics but I do know that Biden was basically senial and that he shouldn't have been in charge of a country. Trump is funny to look at, been shot at, is a celebrity basically and is now president, again. And we moan about boris lol

CharSiu · 06/11/2024 20:23

I haven’t explicitly asked but I know my now American citizens brothers will have voted Republican. They don’t like tax, they pay a lot already and that’s the bottom line. They very much made it from a poor background and would say they view people that unless they are severely ill or disabled as lazy. They also don’t believe in critical race theory, they are not white and made it.

HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 06/11/2024 20:22

The attacks against Trump have been so overwrought and ridiculous, that the truth of his personal horribleness has actually been lost in all the hysteria. Normal conservatives are unable to be swayed by anything Trump is accused of because they are so used to hearing endless commentary of how he is the next coming of Hitler.

By being so extreme, the media have given him a Teflon like quality.

Plus the assassination attempt and 'the photo' made a HUGE impact, IMO.

Appalonia · 06/11/2024 20:20

Just want to say, I'm not a Trump fan, like everyone, I'm just trying to understand what has gone so wrong in America, that, even with all that we know about him, a majority of Americans have voted for.him.

Trump makes my skin crawl, but one of the FIRST things Biden did, was to enact a policy allowing men who had committed horrific crimes against women to be housed in female prisons. To me that is so immoral and cruel and I've never been able to understand why that was such a high priority.for him. So, I don't hold Biden in high esteem either...