AIBU to ask for help to understand the American Election resul

@BloodandGlitter

My position is simple. Women shouldn't be legally able to abort their children unless their lives are in danger.

I understand that there are horrific and difficult situations that arise, but it doesn't justify taking innocent human life in my opinion.

I like fun facts and didn’t know that. Thanks!

It was James Carville who said that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_the_economy,_stupid

That’s another unifying factor for Trump. A lot of his supporters think the public education system is crap and support school choice!

Years ago Bill Clinton's campaign manager, George Stephanopoulos, wrote in giant letters on the wall at the main campaign headquarters, "IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID!" Of course, Clinton won that election, and the next, because for all his human foibles, Clinton understood one key thing:
all elections, yes, every one, turns on pocketbook issues--can people afford groceries, gas, rent or mortgage, etc.?

In very simple terms, Harris' campaign forgot that. People voted for Clinton for a second term, even after he put a cigar up a barely legal intern's vagina in the Oval Office, because he never forgot what elections are about. The economy, stupid. Bush didn't forget, Obama didn't forget, Biden didn't forget, and Trump didn't forget. Harris did. And it's really that simple.

People will vote for the devil if they're hurting. And with the huge rise in the cost of living, a lot of working class Americans are hurting.

So they just listen to the billionaires ruining our world instead.

I cannot believe any woman voted for him or a political party that sees women as second class citizens.

I think the democrats lost a lot of votes to third party representatives for their inaction on the Genocide in Gaza, which I understand on one hand but vote strategically people.

I know this is from the DM but it's an interesting read considering what's happened in the last 24 hours in the USA
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14048643/CNN-panel-stunned-Republican-pundit-Scott-Jennings-Trump-election.html

20% of Americans are functionally illiterate, 54% have a reading age below grade 6.

They think Trump, the man who managed to hike up the National debt after inheriting a booming economy (even before Covid) and whose current plans if implemented will undoubtedly raise the cost of goods & services, is going to leave them better off with tax cuts.

All they have to do is sacrifice some environmental protections, roll back some personal liberties and believe.

Sound familiar?

@HuckleberryBlackcurrant What about the rape victim who finds herself pregnant? Is she allowed to "kill a baby", or the underage victim of child abuse is she worthy? There are hundreds of reasons people get accidentally pregnant and a lot of them involve the woman not consenting to the act in the first place.

Women died in the 40's and 50's bleeding out from back alley abortions because there was no way they could bring a child into the world when they couldn't feed or home themselves, or had too many mouths to feed already.

Access to safe abortions saves lives, Parents forced to raise children they never wanted will lead to an up tick in child abuse too.

You have no rights over my body, or anyone's body. Women are more than incubators.

From everything I've seen on Twitter, this seems to be one of the most accurate analyses, like it or not. And it's happening all across Europe.

For a cohort who call the opposition uneducated and stupid, the Liberal left are very slow at understanding the realities of elections. The same is happening in Europe but they think the argument will be won by labelling everyone far right, closing all debate, cancelling people who are not with them, and driving ideological change without societal consensus. It's literally never worked in history and it won't again.

Prices have gone through the roof - it costs more to buy milk or fill a car. Wokeism is rife. Democrats are viewed as the party of censorship, lockdown, vaccine mandates.

Plus Kamala has been an incredibly rubbish candidate who was foisted upon the democrats with no regard to the normal selection process. I’ve listened to her so many times and am yet to hear her say anything comprehensible.

the fact you can’t understand why people would vote for trump singularly demonstrates your failure to step outside of your own world view or look into the most basic facts

@saltinesandcoffeecups My fun fact of the day is that one state (Nebraska) has a unicameral state legislature. It’s the only state to only have one chamber (called the senate) and not a bicameral one mirroring the federal model.

I think someone was asking about the state setup, in simplistic terms it’s a mini version of the federal setup.

Two houses (senate and assembly), a Governor, and a Supreme Court. They do all the same things for their state that the Federal Government does for the country.

Then each county has again a similar but smaller setup ( County Executive, county council) with authority over county business.

And finally cities who typically have a Mayor and a city council. Charged, you guessed it, city business.

Awful misogyny, coupled with the fact that Trump has been found guilty of multiple sex crimes and his "success" comes off the back of him cheating, lying and stealing, even after starting off with multi-million dollar gifts from his dad.

Oh well. 70 million plus folk disagree with you. It's not only this thread. Rant rant stamp stamp you're all thick. Change the record.

Abortion being banned doesn't create more unwanted children. Those children already exist, they are just not born yet. It may even mean less unwanted children as people take better precautions with contraception and are less likely to have sex with someone they aren't committed to.

I'm not against people taking measures to prevent conception, in fact I wish more people would. But when another human life comes into existence, that's when the morality of the situation changes. 2 lives are at stake now.

I don't think that statistically, most abortions are medically necessary abortions. These cases are rare. Most abortions are prompted by lifestyle decisions. In a lot of cases where a mother's health is threatened by continuing the pregnancy, a baby has reached viability and this doesn't need to be killed before the pregnancy is ended to preserve the mother's life.

Yes, I would get an abortion if my life were threatened by an ectopic pregnancy. I absolutely believe in exceptions for the life of the mother, as do almost all pro lifers. You wouldn't exactly be pro life if you expected women to die from preventable causes, to avoid an abortion of a child who is going to die along with her.

Again, these cases are rare, but where abortion bans are in place there must absolutely be very clear laws in place to make sure that a woman is able to obtain an abortion if her life is medically threatened. We need to make sure that doctors won't get into trouble for performing these abortions, and make sure all healthcare staff are aware of the laws in place.

Yes, to break a filibuster in the senate requires a 3/5 supermajority. 60 votes brings the debate to an end and allows the bill to proceed to a vote but then the vote on the bill works on simple majority.

The 2/3 supermajority is for overturning a presidential veto (and constitutional amendments).

It wasn't my argument, I was just translating. But your analogy is not the same. I am against homelessness but my being against homelessness doesn't actively create more homeless people. Whereas being against abortion, by default does creates more unwanted children. Although most abortions are for medical reasons. If you were going to die because you had an ectopic pregnancy (which would kill both you and your baby eventually without treatment anyway) would you choose to let nature take it's course and choose to die so that you didn't have an abortion against your principles?

I think all the reasons the rest of the world is so worried about another Trump presidency are all the same reasons a lot of Americans voted for him.

He seemingly doesn't care at all about global stability or diplomacy - he'll always put his own (and therefore America's?) interests first. They don't seem to see/believe that his interests do not necessarily align particularly closely with their own.

I think they also believe we're scared of a Trump presidency because he's such a strong, powerful Tough Guy. When, in truth, we're scared because he's an unhinged, petulant toddler.

True, but in the Senate the use of the filibuster rule (which some Democrats want to eliminate) can delay voting indefinitely unless you have 60 votes to close debate.

https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/filibusters-cloture.htm

@Namechangey23

I haven't adopted children. That doesn't disprove the pro life position in the least.

It's actually one of the weakest arguments pro choicers put forth. It's like saying, 'oh, so you're against homelessness, but how many homeless people have you taken in?'

Yes, I'm against killing babies in the womb, and yes, I'm for helping them out after they are hopefully born. I'm hoping in my lifetime I can help people out in a practical way, who find themselves facing the situation of expecting an unwanted child. Thanks for asking those clarifying questions.

This is broadly correct.

However, bills don’t need 2/3 to pass. It’s a simple majority vote. In the Senate, in the case of a 50/50 tied vote, the Vice President can cast a tie break vote.

A supermajority is needed to overturn a presidential veto but not to pass a bill under normal circumstances.

It would be a mistake to assume that she lost solely or even primarily because she's a woman. She did nothing to distance herself from an unpopular Biden administration, refused to do long interviews with journalists, covered up Biden's cognitive decline, snubbed the moderate governor of the critical swing state of Pennsylvania as her VP pick, likely because he's Jewish, picked a VP from a state that she was going to win anyway, and refused to go on the most popular podcast in the country days before the election. I'm sure some people didn't vote for her because she's a woman and some people did vote for her because she's a woman.

It was not a brilliant campaign. Biden also gets a lot of the blame for breaking his promise not to run again and having to be forced out at the last minute.

I was trying to simplify into the most basic scenario people would understand. It is a very different system to the uk.

Erm...no they responded to the right person. You didn't understand their meaning, I did. Let me explain, they mean you are pro life so you must have adopted lots of abandoned kids that were born to parents who didn't want them as they weren't allowed to have an abortion. Right? That's what they meant. But most pro lifers don't give two hoots about the unwanted child's life once they are born. Just so long as they are born eh? Now do you understand?