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Where is Kamala?

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Annabella92 · 06/11/2024 18:30

Just saw this post on X, and I tend to agree...

"Kamala lost as she campaigned - a coward who couldn't face the media, couldn't handle the pressure. Didn't even have the character required to concede on election night. Went home to sulk. The opposite of presidential material."

Really and truly was there nobody with any substance the Democrats could have put forward. What on earth did they expect. The bar was so low.

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Annabella92 · 10/11/2024 08:36

biscuitandcake · 09/11/2024 23:51

There is also "no agreed upon definition of a woman". Sophists the lot of you.

This isn't sophistry this is a straightforward fact. The idea that we live in anything approaching a democracy is ridiculous. Aristotle never saw democracies being feasible with populations over 10k. They're not. Voting is the equivalent of giving a 3 year old a toy steering wheel for car journeys. There are no electoral channels to get us out of this predicament. I don't want to live alongside people who don't know what a woman is and people who have different ideas don't want to live with me. Societies that can't agree on fundamentals are in deep trouble.

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biscuitandcake · 09/11/2024 23:51

Annabella92 · 09/11/2024 23:40

There is no agreed on definition of democracy at this stage and the Democrats are happy enough to hack away at its pillars when it suits them. I don't think Musk and Thiel are exactly NRx but liberalism is failing badly and appears profoundly anti human. Anything is worth considering.

There is also "no agreed upon definition of a woman". Sophists the lot of you.

Annabella92 · 09/11/2024 23:40

biscuitandcake · 09/11/2024 20:57

I meant to add, while I don't think Trump is a fascist he isn't someone who believes in democracy particularly. MAGA types sort of do, though they have a funny way of "protecting" it. Project 2025 supporters don't believe in democracy or in the way America is currently organised. Curtis Yarvin (and by extension people like Musk and Thiel who follow his beliefs) also don't believe in democacy (Musk talks a lot about free speech which is important, you need free speech for democracy. But note that he doesn't talk that much about protecting democracy and democratic principles).
So, having the world's leading liberal democracy itself led by people who view liberal democracy as an inferior system isn't great. It doesn't automatically mean the US will collapse into dictatorship because there are checks and balances. But it isn't great - for America or for democracies elsewhere in the world.

There is no agreed on definition of democracy at this stage and the Democrats are happy enough to hack away at its pillars when it suits them. I don't think Musk and Thiel are exactly NRx but liberalism is failing badly and appears profoundly anti human. Anything is worth considering.

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Annabella92 · 09/11/2024 23:37

AnotherChildFreeCatLady · 09/11/2024 20:38

Do you not remember the kids in cages? How about the mass deportation plan he's been harping on about? How about the general hatred and bigotry he stokes?

Last term he didn't do a whole lot, he just golfed and blatantly profited from the presidency, let's hope he's equally inept this time and finally just fucking dies.

Bless your cotton socks if you think Pelosi et al are not in it for personal enrichment. I also don't think a nation state having a border is the end of the world either and clearly nor does the electorate. Arguably the government only has one job...

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biscuitandcake · 09/11/2024 20:57

I meant to add, while I don't think Trump is a fascist he isn't someone who believes in democracy particularly. MAGA types sort of do, though they have a funny way of "protecting" it. Project 2025 supporters don't believe in democracy or in the way America is currently organised. Curtis Yarvin (and by extension people like Musk and Thiel who follow his beliefs) also don't believe in democacy (Musk talks a lot about free speech which is important, you need free speech for democracy. But note that he doesn't talk that much about protecting democracy and democratic principles).
So, having the world's leading liberal democracy itself led by people who view liberal democracy as an inferior system isn't great. It doesn't automatically mean the US will collapse into dictatorship because there are checks and balances. But it isn't great - for America or for democracies elsewhere in the world.

AnotherChildFreeCatLady · 09/11/2024 20:38

Annabella92 · 09/11/2024 19:54

Which policies did he enact during his previous term evidences this?

Do you not remember the kids in cages? How about the mass deportation plan he's been harping on about? How about the general hatred and bigotry he stokes?

Last term he didn't do a whole lot, he just golfed and blatantly profited from the presidency, let's hope he's equally inept this time and finally just fucking dies.

biscuitandcake · 09/11/2024 20:21

Annabella92 · 09/11/2024 19:57

Trump doesn't appear to have an ideaology - are you able to describe it?

She said MAGA, not Trump. MAGA does, although it is quite amorphous and ever changing/contradictory. The people who wrote Project 2025 also have an ideology - it comes across clearly in that document. Elon Musk and Peter Thiell also have an ideology (see Curtis Yarvin). No-one really knows what JD Vance really thinks because he is so oleaginous. And as you say, Donald Trump doesn't really have an ideology either except his belief in himself. So, there are at least 3 ideologies at play plus many more egos. And really, at this stage, I don't think its possible to know which will win out but none of them are good.
But I agree - when people talk about Trump's ideology its unhelpful because it could mean many different things.

Annabella92 · 09/11/2024 19:57

MillyMichaelson · 09/11/2024 13:48

The MAGA ideology that seems to have taken over the GOP now, root and branch @Annabella92

Trump doesn't appear to have an ideaology - are you able to describe it?

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Annabella92 · 09/11/2024 19:54

AnotherChildFreeCatLady · 09/11/2024 11:47

I suppose if someone said we should have killed Hitler before he did what he did you would have found that wrong too? Of course you would have, the right love fascists. Trump is Hitler without the intelligence, surrounded by a swarm of brainwashed idiots, ready to do whatever he asks of them. So yes, I'll say it again, I can't wait for the prick to die.

Which policies did he enact during his previous term evidences this?

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MillyMichaelson · 09/11/2024 13:48

The MAGA ideology that seems to have taken over the GOP now, root and branch @Annabella92

biscuitandcake · 09/11/2024 11:55

AnotherChildFreeCatLady · 09/11/2024 11:47

I suppose if someone said we should have killed Hitler before he did what he did you would have found that wrong too? Of course you would have, the right love fascists. Trump is Hitler without the intelligence, surrounded by a swarm of brainwashed idiots, ready to do whatever he asks of them. So yes, I'll say it again, I can't wait for the prick to die.

Off topic but I would have found that wrong! Someone worse would have replaced him. Maybe someone with the tactical sense not to invade Russia or march on Moscow in the middle of winter.
Besides, look at what happened when Caesar was assassinated in order to "save" the Roman republic. It was the final nail in the coffin of the Roman Republic. As soon as you legitimise political violence you destroy the only argument Democracy has for its legitimatacy. Germany might never have got back a proper democracy if that had happened (at the very least there would be much more disgruntled NeoNazis who felt Germany had been stabbed in the back once again).
Also, every human being has inherent worth as a human (and the living face of god if you go in for Christianity). Killing is wrong.secretly hoping someone dies as the above poster did is less wrong (and completely different) but it's still misguided in my opinion.

AnotherChildFreeCatLady · 09/11/2024 11:47

Annabella92 · 09/11/2024 09:39

It keeps being said that it's the right that lacks humanity

I suppose if someone said we should have killed Hitler before he did what he did you would have found that wrong too? Of course you would have, the right love fascists. Trump is Hitler without the intelligence, surrounded by a swarm of brainwashed idiots, ready to do whatever he asks of them. So yes, I'll say it again, I can't wait for the prick to die.

Annabella92 · 09/11/2024 09:40

MillyMichaelson · 08/11/2024 20:39

Oh yeah agree @AnotherChildFreeCatLady I don't think Vance is any kind of political powerhouse, but the MAGA runs deep in the Republican Party now, so we're stuck with the ideology in the mid-long term no matter what.

I'm not sure there are many grown ups left in the GOP to wrestle it back to the pre-Sarah Palin days.

What ideaology?

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Annabella92 · 09/11/2024 09:39

AnotherChildFreeCatLady · 08/11/2024 20:24

I hope he dies and he's old and unhealthy so that's looking quite likely. C'mon Trump, keeping scarring down those hamburgers and do the world a favour you prick.

It keeps being said that it's the right that lacks humanity

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/11/2024 22:28

Besides the point I know, but never mind "where's Kamala" for a moment - where are the counters in Arizona?

Three days now and they've still not called it, with only 78% of the vote tallied so far Confused

MillyMichaelson · 08/11/2024 20:39

Oh yeah agree @AnotherChildFreeCatLady I don't think Vance is any kind of political powerhouse, but the MAGA runs deep in the Republican Party now, so we're stuck with the ideology in the mid-long term no matter what.

I'm not sure there are many grown ups left in the GOP to wrestle it back to the pre-Sarah Palin days.

AnotherChildFreeCatLady · 08/11/2024 20:25

Thefsm · 08/11/2024 05:53

I think she rose to the challenge that was thrust upon her admirably. I wasn’t a fan before the campaigning but I warmed to her and I loved tim Walz. I was so excited for them to win. And I truly believed they would from here in Philadelphia - I drove around the city and into New Jersey and Pennsylvania countryside and saw almost as many Harris signs as trump ones - way less trump signs than the last two elections.

instead we have lost everything. House, senate, trust in humanity. It is horrifying. And this goady post is not helping anyone.

I think I was most excited not to ever have to hear his voice again. It is going to be a long 4 years. I hope he does not survive it.

Could not agree more with all of this.

AnotherChildFreeCatLady · 08/11/2024 20:24

Annabella92 · 08/11/2024 11:39

You hope he dies?

I hope he dies and he's old and unhealthy so that's looking quite likely. C'mon Trump, keeping scarring down those hamburgers and do the world a favour you prick.

AnotherChildFreeCatLady · 08/11/2024 20:09

MillyMichaelson · 08/11/2024 13:32

I think a lot of people think that @Annabella92

Unfortunately then we'd get JD Vance but...him dying may not actually be the worst thing for the country/world.

I'm not that worried about Vance. He is horrible for sure but he's also unelectable and would be in the exact same position as Kamala was, riding on the coattails of his predecessor. Trump is vile but he has something his supporters can't get enough of, Vance on the other hand has the personality of a piece of wallpaper. So the hope is, Trump dies soon, vance gets in and then a wave of competent Democrats come in on the next round and clean it all up, like the Democrats always do.

AnotherChildFreeCatLady · 08/11/2024 20:06

namethisbird · 08/11/2024 19:53

As already mentioned, the democrats were never going to win with Kamala she just isn’t/wasnt a strong enough candidate.
Let’s see what Trump 2.0 brings it can’t be worse than Biden.

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Clearly you have no clue what Biden actually did. And Trump will very much be worse than Biden. Biden at least surrounded himself with capable people, Trump has already told us the kind of people he will surround himself with and none of them are remotely capable.

AnotherChildFreeCatLady · 08/11/2024 20:04

She did give a speech. And let's not talk about lack of substance from the Democrats shall we? Trump is a fucking idiot who only knows how to make hate speeches. Yes, a lot of Americans voted for him, but a lot of Americans are also idiots and I'm looking forward to seeing the ones who voted for him getting exactly what they voted for. cough mass deportations.

namethisbird · 08/11/2024 19:53

As already mentioned, the democrats were never going to win with Kamala she just isn’t/wasnt a strong enough candidate.
Let’s see what Trump 2.0 brings it can’t be worse than Biden.

Swivelhead · 08/11/2024 19:51

Such common knowledge is about as common as common sense.

u3ername · 08/11/2024 18:26

@Annabella92 Well, unrelated to whom I know and who my friends are, I happen to have common knowledge about various political ideologies.
Ask away, if there's anything else you don't know and I'll do my best...

Annabella92 · 08/11/2024 15:11

u3ername · 08/11/2024 11:56

What is right wing thinking exactly?

It's when you take decisions based on a fear of losing your privileges with no regard to the long term damage caused to society/ humanity.

That's interesting. How many right wingers do you know? Or read? Or speak to?

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