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To think Kemi and Nigel will likely win the next UK election after making a pact of some kind and fighting on an immigration / identity politics platform?

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MumtananoBay · 06/11/2024 14:54

Especially after Trump’s win today.

labour has a tiny lead at 27% today (6th nov, politico.eu polling )

tories have 27. Reform has 19.

so that’s a possible 46/27 which gives a right wing team up more MPs than Labour has now. (OFC in any pact they won’t get all those votes)

this Labour majority is paper thin. Everyone hates Keir.

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MumtananoBay · 06/11/2024 17:55

Summernightsinthe21stcentury · 06/11/2024 17:54

@MumtananoBay
Just because you don't consider it to be an extreme far right course of action doesn't mean it isn't so.

Ah so what you consider far right always is but nothing I think isnt, is? Forgive me I’m confused. Please enlighten me to the objective definition of “far right”

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Beekeepingmum · 06/11/2024 17:55

MumtananoBay · 06/11/2024 17:53

I do t consider that far right at all. Quite sensible frankly. Though really I know we will get ourselves out of the agreement that means refugees get in.
also, no bugger ever got sent.

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That tells us a lot of about your views. Shipping those off who are escaping persecution is certainly to the right of the conservative position. How far right is obviously a spectrum - its not quite sinking the small boats.

ThirtyfourBees · 06/11/2024 17:55

LIke some new party called the Conservative Reformers?

AuntyPonsonby · 06/11/2024 17:54

Seashellssanctuary · 06/11/2024 15:05

There is no way Kemi will be leader of the opposition come next election. They'll bring in who they perceive to be PM in about 3 yrs time

Unlikely, the party does not get rid of leaders in opposition before they have a chance to fight an election. Last one was Ian Duncan Smith. Before that it was Neville Chamberlain.

Summernightsinthe21stcentury · 06/11/2024 17:54

@MumtananoBay
Just because you don't consider it to be an extreme far right course of action doesn't mean it isn't so.

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MumtananoBay · 06/11/2024 17:53

Beekeepingmum · 06/11/2024 17:52

Sending refugees to Rwanda?

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I do t consider that far right at all. Quite sensible frankly. Though really I know we will get ourselves out of the agreement that means refugees get in.
also, no bugger ever got sent.

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EasternStandard · 06/11/2024 17:53

Gummybear23 · 06/11/2024 17:46

Could do.
I think it is too early days.
But I do know kemi won't be getting votes nor Farage.

A conservative party that is more middle and not far right, possibly.

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I think it's too hard to say atm

Starmer's national security issue as he put it the other day could change things. As other countries shift right in relation to it I doubt we'll be immune and he doesn't have the policy that is feasible

Plus Farage's party did pretty well last time, with about half the votes of Labour

Summernightsinthe21stcentury · 06/11/2024 17:52

Well I certainly thought she was nervous and not prepared.
Op go and have a google or a skim through X for examples of far right, do you remember Rwanda? Imprisoning immigrants on the Bibi Stockholm? UKIP, Reform, Farage, trying to get rid of strikes, leaving the ECHR, constant headlines from the Daily fail and the like. It is everywhere.

Beekeepingmum · 06/11/2024 17:52

MumtananoBay · 06/11/2024 17:25

I keep posting it because people keep saying nobody hates keir so I quote them and link to the article.

please tell me what “far right” things you have seen in western politics in the last 12 months

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Sending refugees to Rwanda?

Shakeoffyourchains · 06/11/2024 17:50

MumtananoBay · 06/11/2024 17:25

I keep posting it because people keep saying nobody hates keir so I quote them and link to the article.

please tell me what “far right” things you have seen in western politics in the last 12 months

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The entire of the discourse around immigration, the watering down of protest rights, the attacks on science and media, the attempts to leave the ECHR and repeal the HRA, and that's just in the UK.

Gummybear23 · 06/11/2024 17:46

EasternStandard · 06/11/2024 17:35

Time will change their opinion of him.

It could keep going down.
Kemi could go up

It's not known, a bit like the US election people can be sure their side will win, but then it's not the case

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Could do.
I think it is too early days.
But I do know kemi won't be getting votes nor Farage.

A conservative party that is more middle and not far right, possibly.

BIossomtoes · 06/11/2024 17:46

Tiredalwaystired · 06/11/2024 16:53

The Tory party get through leaders like toilet paper.

Let’s wait a few years before we see if this is even an issue.

I can easily see Farage stepping down (from the non job he’s doing) as he’s achieved his goal and “won” but like Boris has no intention of doing the job once he’s got there. Trump will offer him a juicy carrot and he will sail into the sunset without likely to have even spoken to a Clacton resident before he goes.

Most of his money comes from jobs outside parliament. As this is about to become banned I too wonder how long it will be before he resigns. If he’s still an MP at the next election I’ll be very surprised.

Gummybear23 · 06/11/2024 17:40

MumtananoBay · 06/11/2024 17:35

C?

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sunflowersngunpowdr · 06/11/2024 17:37

It's far too early to call who will form the next government but I don't think labour will get two terms ... I think it's likely that if Kemi makes the right noises she will take reform votes and the conservatives will be back in. But anything could happen!

AgnesX · 06/11/2024 17:36

Not everyone hates Kier and a fair number of us would bite our fingers off before voting for either of that pair

EasternStandard · 06/11/2024 17:35

Gummybear23 · 06/11/2024 17:32

Time will change their opinion of him.
Now they have kemi to compare to...
Many c 's find her abhorrent.
Many c's are not right of the party.
So no it won't work.
Labour will get a second term.

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Time will change their opinion of him.

It could keep going down.
Kemi could go up

It's not known, a bit like the US election people can be sure their side will win, but then it's not the case

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MumtananoBay · 06/11/2024 17:35

Gummybear23 · 06/11/2024 17:32

Time will change their opinion of him.
Now they have kemi to compare to...
Many c 's find her abhorrent.
Many c's are not right of the party.
So no it won't work.
Labour will get a second term.

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C?

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MumtananoBay · 06/11/2024 17:34

borntobequiet · 06/11/2024 17:32

Serious fantasy there.

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Ok why?

intil then people loved him in case you missed it. His approvals were way higher than Keirs now?

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Gummybear23 · 06/11/2024 17:32

MumtananoBay · 06/11/2024 17:29

Most people however do hate him. I won’t link it again having done so five times. He is not liked.

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Time will change their opinion of him.
Now they have kemi to compare to...
Many c 's find her abhorrent.
Many c's are not right of the party.
So no it won't work.
Labour will get a second term.

borntobequiet · 06/11/2024 17:32

MumtananoBay · 06/11/2024 15:59

Yes. Which was shown and magnified - because of Covid. Without Covid, he would still be leader now, having won the last election.

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Serious fantasy there.

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MumtananoBay · 06/11/2024 17:29

Gummybear23 · 06/11/2024 17:28

Labour will get a second term.
Not everyone hates starmer.
Even those who were not sure have since voiced that compared to Kemi he is much preferred.

Most people however do hate him. I won’t link it again having done so five times. He is not liked.

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Gummybear23 · 06/11/2024 17:29

Scammersarescum · 06/11/2024 17:28

Hmmmm I really hope you're right. But Trump is lazy and he's back.

I think what the OP is forgetting is nuance. There are plenty of small c Conservatives who find Farage abominable. Just because you may have views to the right of centre, it doesn't mean you are far to the right. A tory reform potential coalition may be enough to make you abstain or vote elsewhere.

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Scammersarescum · 06/11/2024 17:28

GCAcademic · 06/11/2024 17:22

There's no way Farage would want to be PM. He's far too lazy and there's no avoiding responsibility in that job. His skill is in exploiting discontent and cultivating division and disruption. He operates from the sidelines, not where the actual work needs to be done.

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Hmmmm I really hope you're right. But Trump is lazy and he's back.

I think what the OP is forgetting is nuance. There are plenty of small c Conservatives who find Farage abominable. Just because you may have views to the right of centre, it doesn't mean you are far to the right. A tory reform potential coalition may be enough to make you abstain or vote elsewhere.

Gummybear23 · 06/11/2024 17:28

Labour will get a second term.
Not everyone hates starmer.
Even those who were not sure have since voiced that compared to Kemi he is much preferred.

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MumtananoBay · 06/11/2024 17:25

Summernightsinthe21stcentury · 06/11/2024 17:18

I thought Badenoch was very poor at PMQs today so she's not giving any vibes of being strong.
There is no way she will be PM after the next election.
Can I ask OP why you keep posting the same link time and again? It's very dull.
And you are wrong - the far right might end with gas chambers but that's not where it starts.

I keep posting it because people keep saying nobody hates keir so I quote them and link to the article.

please tell me what “far right” things you have seen in western politics in the last 12 months

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