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To think Trump couldn’t be the better option.

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Friedeggs9876 · 06/11/2024 13:23

Republicans - congratulations on your win today…To Trump supporters and non voters, please help me understand. I’m reaching out from a place of genuine respect and curiosity, and I hope my questions will be taken in this spirit. I’m really interested in hearing about your perspective and understanding the reasons behind your decision to vote for Donald Trump over Kamala Harris in this election. Or perhaps you decided to actively withhold your vote because you couldn’t vote red - in which case I’d be interested to hear your reasons for doing so.

Here are some points I’ve picked up on IG and in the news, and I’d love your insights on these:

  1. U.S. Policy in Gaza

Lots of people seem concerned about the Biden-Harris administration’s approach to the conflict in Gaza, with some believing that Trump would take steps to end what many people view as the awful injustices happening there. I can see how this issue is deeply painful and personal for many people. However, I wonder if the U.S. position might be more influenced by larger financial and diplomatic interests that would remain steady regardless of which party holds power.

  1. Quality of Life Under Different Administrations
  • I’ve also heard that life seemed better for many Americans during Trump’s first term, whereas the Biden-Harris administration has been associated with more economic hardships. To this, I’d suggest that some of the difficulties we’ve faced recently - such as inflation, rising interest rates, and oil prices - might have been influenced by global factors beyond any one administration’s control, such as the pandemic and the war in Ukraine.
  1. Character and legal issues -

I’m curious about voters’ perspectives on Trump’s recent convictions and legal issues, including charges of fraud and sexual assault. How do these issues impact - if at all - your view of him as a candidate? I’m genuinely interested in understanding how his supporters weigh these factors and whether they feel these issues affect his ability to lead.

  1. The environment and project 2025 -

I’d love to hear thoughts from voters on Trump’s environmental policies and, in particular, on the objectives of Project 2025. As I understand it, the project seeks to roll back regulations on climate policies, aiming for increased energy independence and industrial growth. For those who supported Trump, how do you weigh these environmental decisions and the potential impacts on climate change against economic or other policy benefits? This project is also set to have a massively detrimental impact on women’s rights and that of the LGBQT+ community, restricting women’s rights to reproductive health, workplace protections and equality to name a few. As a Trump supporter how do you feel about how these policies might affect your family and loved ones? I’d love to understand how these issues are prioritised among his supporters.

If you’re comfortable sharing, I’d be grateful to hear your thoughts on these or any other reasons that helped guide your decision. My intention here is to listen and learn, not to argue, and I hope this post will open an honest and respectful conversation. Thanks in advance to anyone who chooses to respond!

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Snowyish · 06/11/2024 17:42

QuestionableMouse · 06/11/2024 17:38

Yes, a child rapist felon who has been bankrupt more than once is exactly what the country needs.

He hasn't been convicted of rape, let alone what you've written.

MILLYmo0se · 06/11/2024 17:41

CharSiu · 06/11/2024 16:55

I’m in the UK but my brothers are US citizens now. They love their money. One is very wealthy and the other is quite wealthy. They will always vote for anyone that will save them tax. They are not white by the way and worked their way up from nothing, They are what you would call bootstrap Conservatives. That’s it really, it’s not complicated for them. On another thread someone wrote some immigrants will pull the ladder up under them, that’s them. White liberals are very mistaken that immigrants will always support other immigrants. They are not sexist it won’t be because Kamala is a woman it’s because the democrats are more likely to cost them more in taxes. The very wealthy one and his wife work in big pharma and my other brother works in the oil industry. I’m the poor relative though DH and I still hit top 5% of household income for a while. We are viewed as not very successful, one accused me of being lazy once and a bit shit as I worked in an educational social science setting. I love them but they are self serving. I must admit I wouldn’t mind the sort of lifestyle they have, pretty amazing really.

That's also the best description I've seen of JD Vance. He benifited from a lot of socialist policies in childhood/early adulthood including college after being in the army and being accepted to law school but he is all for pulling the ladder up behind him as far as I can see. And quite why someone that's written a book detailing the childhood he experienced - although there are questions about the validity of it too-seems to have such a poor view of women and that everyone should have children I don't understand.

SquirrelSoShiny · 06/11/2024 17:40

I think Americans are much more open about their pursuit of wealth than we are. Money talk was always treated as vaguely distasteful in Britain. The Americans I know are completely unabashed about money being their priority. This makes sense because life is very harsh there for the poor and sick. There is very little safety net BECAUSE they don't want to pay taxes. It's dog eat dog with a few local churches providing aid. I was stunned at how keen American friends are on Trump. They treat him like the Messiah.

Snowyish · 06/11/2024 17:40

username7891 · 06/11/2024 17:35

It depends on whether or not you believe the science.

I don't think people on the left think that handing money to the government will stop climate change. I believe they want the government to introduce changes, using that money, to help prevent global warming.

That means increased regulation which the right don't like because it decreases profit and profit is king. Profit is more important than clean waterways and clean air.

Given the fact that our Governments continually lie to us and only approved agencies are employed to give us "the science"

I'm not sure I believe it entirely and in all honesty, I'm more likely to believe we're being scammed.

QuestionableMouse · 06/11/2024 17:38

Yes, a child rapist felon who has been bankrupt more than once is exactly what the country needs.

username7891 · 06/11/2024 17:35

Snowyish · 06/11/2024 17:21

It's a left wing tendency to think that paying extra money to the Government will stop climate change.

The essence here is whether you believe that the climate change we are experiencing currently is a natural event (the climate has changed numerous times before mammals existed, let alone humans and changed as little as 5000 years ago) or it's a man-made climate change.

The problem as been all the scare-mongering, I'm 53 and the arctic ice should be long gone, same for the polar bears, see levels haven't risen (They are building new airports in the Maldives) and the hole in the ozone layer isn't a thing anymore.

Are we being scammed?

Edited

It depends on whether or not you believe the science.

I don't think people on the left think that handing money to the government will stop climate change. I believe they want the government to introduce changes, using that money, to help prevent global warming.

That means increased regulation which the right don't like because it decreases profit and profit is king. Profit is more important than clean waterways and clean air.

SensibleSigma · 06/11/2024 17:33

We did away with CFCs 30+ years ago, which helped the Ozone layer.

There’s a really interesting approach to personal responsibility- on the one hand, small state, let people look after themselves. On the other, climate issues can’t be resolved at a personal level so let the companies and Governments sort it.

A yogurt company saved 145 tons of plastic a year by getting rid of plastic lids. Nothing I do comes remotely close to that. What’s the point in using a bamboo toothbrush?

the80sweregreat · 06/11/2024 17:29

Menopausalsourpuss · 06/11/2024 17:21

No they just live in the real world and don't think it's worth wrecking our economy when we are a tiny percentage of the world's carbon and China etc are carrying on regardless and laughing at us whole we export all our manufacturing to them and create more global warming shipping goods we could have made ourselves .

Edited

Well, now President Trump is back in , they clearly won't be worrying about climate change.
It'll be ' drill , baby , drill ' from now on.

Snowyish · 06/11/2024 17:21

username7891 · 06/11/2024 17:14

It's a right wing tendency to dismiss global warming and not want to implement changes to rectify it as it costs money and means regulation.

It's a left wing tendency to think that paying extra money to the Government will stop climate change.

The essence here is whether you believe that the climate change we are experiencing currently is a natural event (the climate has changed numerous times before mammals existed, let alone humans and changed as little as 5000 years ago) or it's a man-made climate change.

The problem as been all the scare-mongering, I'm 53 and the arctic ice should be long gone, same for the polar bears, see levels haven't risen (They are building new airports in the Maldives) and the hole in the ozone layer isn't a thing anymore.

Are we being scammed?

Menopausalsourpuss · 06/11/2024 17:21

No they just live in the real world and don't think it's worth wrecking our economy when we are a tiny percentage of the world's carbon and China etc are carrying on regardless and laughing at us whole we export all our manufacturing to them and create more global warming shipping goods we could have made ourselves .

username7891 · 06/11/2024 17:14

Snowyish · 06/11/2024 17:07

There are plenty of people on the right who believe exactly what you do when it comes to global warming.

It's a right wing tendency to dismiss global warming and not want to implement changes to rectify it as it costs money and means regulation.

HappiestSleeping · 06/11/2024 17:14

Snowyish · 06/11/2024 17:08

He hasn't been found guilty of rape.

It was sexual abuse with the added bonus that his defamation claim against her for saying he raped her was thrown out, thus meaning that she was right. Whilst I concede the point, it is still like saying that he did it within the bounds of the US legal system.

12plusexam · 06/11/2024 17:11

Op go on sky news.

Someone who studies all this said at the end of the day they simply trusted trump more with eccomics and that's that.
It literally "trumped" everything else.

Snowyish · 06/11/2024 17:08

HappiestSleeping · 06/11/2024 17:05

I think the thing that I struggle with is that given the choice between someone who has been found guilty of rape and someone who hasn't, I would always vote for the person who hasn't regardless of politics. Even if they did control the weather.

He hasn't been found guilty of rape.

Snowyish · 06/11/2024 17:07

username7891 · 06/11/2024 16:57

I'm aware of what the right think about global warming. I'm also aware of what the right think of people fleeing the effects of global warming.

There are plenty of people on the right who believe exactly what you do when it comes to global warming.

HappiestSleeping · 06/11/2024 17:05

I think the thing that I struggle with is that given the choice between someone who has been found guilty of rape and someone who hasn't, I would always vote for the person who hasn't regardless of politics. Even if they did control the weather.

username7891 · 06/11/2024 16:57

Snowyish · 06/11/2024 16:53

No, that's not what I said.

Global warming didn't create the hurricane either.

A lot of republican's believe that "global warming" is being used by the "elites" to take even more money out the the economy. Whilst I don't necessarily agree with this, there is no doubt that the business is worth billions, if not trillions, world wide.

I'm aware of what the right think about global warming. I'm also aware of what the right think of people fleeing the effects of global warming.

CharSiu · 06/11/2024 16:55

I’m in the UK but my brothers are US citizens now. They love their money. One is very wealthy and the other is quite wealthy. They will always vote for anyone that will save them tax. They are not white by the way and worked their way up from nothing, They are what you would call bootstrap Conservatives. That’s it really, it’s not complicated for them. On another thread someone wrote some immigrants will pull the ladder up under them, that’s them. White liberals are very mistaken that immigrants will always support other immigrants. They are not sexist it won’t be because Kamala is a woman it’s because the democrats are more likely to cost them more in taxes. The very wealthy one and his wife work in big pharma and my other brother works in the oil industry. I’m the poor relative though DH and I still hit top 5% of household income for a while. We are viewed as not very successful, one accused me of being lazy once and a bit shit as I worked in an educational social science setting. I love them but they are self serving. I must admit I wouldn’t mind the sort of lifestyle they have, pretty amazing really.

Snowyish · 06/11/2024 16:53

username7891 · 06/11/2024 16:51

Right, so Biden manipulated the weather to being a hurricane to Florida costing millions and creating chaos because he could.

I suppose it's an easier answer than global warming which is also a conspiracy theory.

Edited

No, that's not what I said.

Global warming didn't create the hurricane either.

A lot of republican's believe that "global warming" is being used by the "elites" to take even more money out the the economy. Whilst I don't necessarily agree with this, there is no doubt that the business is worth billions, if not trillions, world wide.

CrazyoldAmerica · 06/11/2024 16:51

Totally crazy that they voted him in again (isn't madness when you do the same thing again and expect different results). I would vote for anyone rather than Trump were I an American.

username7891 · 06/11/2024 16:51

Snowyish · 06/11/2024 16:47

The US Government has controlled the weather in the past:

Operation Popeye - Wikipedia

Right, so Biden manipulated the weather to being a hurricane to Florida costing millions and creating chaos because he could.

I suppose it's an easier answer than global warming which is also a conspiracy theory.

HappiestSleeping · 06/11/2024 16:49

Snowyish · 06/11/2024 16:42

I'm not saying that the hurricanes were created on purpose, it would be ridiculous to suggest that, however, it's a know fact, although unpopular, that weather modification goes on all over the world;
Weather modification - Wikipedia

I think the Trumpists were not thinking on these terms.

Snowyish · 06/11/2024 16:48

Scattery · 06/11/2024 16:46

Biden should never have been put up for re-election.

But I think we should both accept that the two-party system is incredibly flawed and electoral voting is sus.

Can't disagree with that.

Snowyish · 06/11/2024 16:47

username7891 · 06/11/2024 16:42

I see. What is it with Trump supporters and conspiracy theories?

The US Government has controlled the weather in the past:

Operation Popeye - Wikipedia

Operation Popeye - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Popeye

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