To think Trump couldn’t be the better option.

I never understand how they think he's this great business man when he is in debt to his eyeballs and no US bank will loan to him, it's all smoke and mirrors that he 'owns' property and is a billionaire.
Foolish naive people

You may be right, but it's not your call to make (assuming you're not actually American).

Very true, people want change. I just don't think right wing nationalism is a good way forward and unfortunately that was the change on offer in the U.S.

Also, taking a step back, the US are not actually outliers in global terms. Incumbents have been hammered in most elections this year. With the performance of the economy a key contributing feature.

They're not going to engage with hectoring economists talking down to them though.

I feel like a Martin Lewis type figure would be valuable.

If they understood the reason for their high prices it might make sense to them. Instead they voted to punch themselves in the nose with tarifffs, estimated to cost the average taxpayer $2600 more per year in real spending.

Here's what the yanks are saying themselves, cult members will ignore this though, because that's what cult members do.

"I know a lot of people who voted for Trump. Let me tell you their reasons.

They wanted a return to normalcy. Gender ideology is just too out there. They want to protect women and children.

The economy has been disastrous for them. They didn’t have a cushion to absorb the inflation. They are cutting out everything in their lives just to afford food. And some are cutting that out.

Their lives have gotten very small. When they tried to tell you, they were told they shouldn’t splurge on things like a frozen pizza.

They see people coming illegally into this country and being handed stuff. Their stuff. Their money is being handed over. They have nothing. They watch as others are just handed more than they have.

They can’t afford rent and don’t know what to do. More people fighting for the same housing units makes prices rise.

They see a frightening turn towards censorship. They value the first amendment. Remember, it’s very important. They are so tired of being lied to and called terrible names.

Every time the mainstream media made up a story to make people hysterical they rolled their eyes. This pushed more and more people away. They stopped having any faith in the media. A firing squad? Really?

They feel the hysteria is toxic and frightening. Again they want this all to calm down.

They watch as political protests are punished for only one side. They see crime running rampant.

They see the people who try to protect us from crime being punished. The criminals go free to re-offend.

Essentially, they want their children to be healthy, they want their family to be fed, they don’t want endless war, they want things to be fair, they want the bad guys punished and the good guys appreciated, they want to protect women and children.

I hope if you are frightened today you will hear me. I hope I can help you see that things are not dire. I hope I can help you see that these were regular everyday folks who want regular everyday things. Food, clothing, shelter, privacy, respect for boundaries.

That’s it. Just those things. Peace."

https://x.com/babybeginner/status/1854179213399502850

And to be fair, the impact of inflation in other parts of the world has been managed in different ways. I'm in RoI and we have been getting direct contributions to our electricity bills from the government and bonuses on various benefits.

Which you can question the logic of, but it feels like 'help' to most people

Some of the things you are saying were concerns with Biden too. Biden fit and trusted with the responsibility what a great lie. And as for ‘I wouldn't trust him alone in a room with a young girl!“ the same. About dictators why Biden was not more pro active to help Venezuela get ride off Maduro? Trump has been clear about his position on this.

And that means absolutely nothing to your average struggling voter. Telling people that other people have it worse when they can't pay their bills is immaterial.

Regulation against corporate price gouging was most certainly high on the democrat agenda and inflation under Biden is contained better than anywhere else in the world.

There was a post on here a couple of days ago saying oh we don't need manufacturing, we need doctors and dentists and teachers - seemingly unaware that those jobs require years of self funded academic study and so completely out of reach for many. I can't believe people are so stupid.

And especially when they see what the graduates of elite universities are getting up to and spending their time on.

I think this proves my point exactly. The so called ‘uneducated’ are completely sick and tired of people telling them what’s best for them, when they lead completely different lives than them. They feel that they finally have a voice.

She said she wouldn't do anything differently to Biden. Bad move.

I agree. I accept the democratic result of the election but let's not pretend this is a normal leader. It's so far from normal. Maybe it'll all be basically OK, maybe he's just full of hot air and will piss off to the golf club early doors and ignore the duties of his office.

But maybe he won't. And there's always the unforseens. Covid, September 11, the Ukraine invasion. How will he respond to major events? It is very worrying.

This. We are slowly becoming a nation of people hiding in their homes, waiting for the food delivery with mainly imported food, waiting for the Amazon delivery bringing more cheap Chinese rubbish. Meanwhile, manufacturing and farming die and those young, predominantly men, who aren't academic feel more and more displaced with no meaningful job roles and end up becoming delivery drivers and voting Reform because they are angry.

What plans for the economy was Harris proposing? She was asked what she would do different than Biden in an interview and she did not know what to say. Also, some economists are very left leaning so depends really. I would be careful to use the word uneducated. Some of the things the Dems were saying were so easy to check if people really wanted to find out. Float voters do this. People who are set on who to vote because they are married to a party not matter what won’t. However, he won big so people must have been really unhappy with the government and dreaded the idea of Harris.

Not all the people who voted for him could have been uneducated?

To quote Rory Sutherland 'to economists, price is a number. To everyone else, price is a feeling'.

The Biden administration has seen ordinary people's bills go up, up and up. Yet the democrat campaign didn't even really acknowledge this, let alone convince anyone they were going to address it. I feel that the republicans are at least talking about an important issue for people. However imperfectly they propose to tackle it.

The vast majority of voters are not reading economists on this issue and wouldn't particularly value what they have to say if they did.

People have stopped believing these left wing "experts" (academics) as most of what they say turns out to be complete bullshit.

The actual finance experts, the traders, are happy Trump is in, as the US markets all went up after he won.

I’m reaching out from a place of genuine respect and curiosity, and I hope my questions will be taken in this spirit. I’m really interested in hearing about your perspective and understanding the reasons behind your decision to vote for Donald Trump over Kamala Harris in this election

No you aren't.

By this I mean the post before me saying how all economists know his tariff plan will hurt more than help Americans' personal finances.

This.

And what about his history of staffing his cabinet and how most now generals call him dangerous and even his ex-VP wouldn't endorse him. He cosies up to totalitarian dictators and wants to be one. Look at the tragedies he casts aside, like Rudy Giuliani, children who still haven't reunited with parents, etc. I worry for when the guardrails of sane experienced officials are gone and he surrounds himself and staffs the government with loyalists.

I hire people as part of my job sometimes and there are so many red flags, it makes no rational sense and he isn't fit for having access to nuclear codes, FFS, I wouldn't trust him alone in a room with a young girl!

I'm so sick of this shit being normalised and sanewashed...

nannying people while increasing the cost of living isn’t going to win over the people already struggling to make ends meet.

But when pretty much every reputable economist agrees that Trump's economic plans are going to make the economy worse, but people either don't see that news because of the media diet they consume, or refuse to believe the experts, they are literally uneducated voters.