To just be loving The Donald Win!

Why are people engaging with this dude?

@cardibach I know, still doesn't stop me from finding humour in the situation. I've been vaxxed, ds has been a refuser, whatever chanks your chain. Nothing is certain when it comes to life and death and ability to function mentally and physically.

I can still climb high scaffolding at 62 and do the work needed whilst I'm up there and also pretty clued up in my brain. Vax or not I still marvel at my much older neighbour. And also see the decline in the physical and mental capabilities of many far younger than me.

It's all down to how it shakes out at a particular time and nothing more.

The last question isn't legitimate to someone who knows how peer review process works. It is well known in academic circles that peer reviewing is a voluntary role. No money is exchanging hands and, in fact, peer review volunteers are very hard to come by for this exact reason. It's a complex and time-consuming process which people do out of passion for science and knowledge. It's not some get rich quick scheme.

The vaccine situation is not a red herring. It’s trump being wilfully neglectful of the country’s health. It’s bloody obvious that your neighbours health and strength are not as a result of never being vaccinated - in fact she’s very lucky not to have succumbed to anything nasty. Of course, she’s been somewhat protected by all the sensible people who did take them.

And the really great thing about being Mr President is that you can pardon yourelf from all legal wranglings.

Can't say that I'm loving the Trump Win but I'm rather enjoying the angst and fugue with vetching in all it's internet forms. All i can observe is that the 'tradionally accepted' forms of achieving global peace/stability hasn't worked well so far.

Trump isn't as 'rogue' as so many make out - yes a man with many failed businesses behind him, landed high up due to Daddy's money and quite possibly nearly as corrupt as 'Byedon' Jr, but didn't actually destroy the world last time he was Mr President. And in a few years Melania's memoirs will be priceless (you go girl).

The vax situation is a red herring - my 90 year old neighbour who I picked up today over a mile from home puts some of her longetivity and strength down to never having vaccines. Rightly or wrongly but her physical fortitude is to be appreciated in all its forms.

Farting ignored what I said and focused on covid vaccines. As did you*

Yes that's fair comment @cardibach, though the truth is that I no longer comment specifically about covid vaccines on MN
FWIW I've had them, though I wasn't especially happy about it, but the narrative on here where even the most moderate questions are shouted down and simple facts denied doesn't work for me on this subject

The Trump administration is about making Trump and cronies richer .. USA Inc .. where, as a citizen, your only value is how much you can contribute to the wealth of some already very rich people

Agree about the making himself and his cronies richer, @ExtraOnions - he's a politician after all - but not about the perceived value of US citizens.
I do live there for half my life, and while this is a popular trope among detractors you couldn't be more mistaken, as any time spent among ordinary communities will quickly show

Big pharma were giving away big incentives for each patient (Statins) were prescribed to a few years back

Yes they were, @Farting, and while it's now the NHS who incentivise prescribing them there are still questions around pharma's continued financial influence
Though retired now this was once my field, and there are good reasons why I'd never have worked for pharma themselves

Oh ffs. You are contradicting yourself and showing total denial of fact. And that’s while I ignore all the shit you’ve posted about covid vaccines.
Anyone who thinks we need to question established vaccines has nothing intelligent to say. I’m out.

Putin is Trumps friend let's not forget that. The war in Ukraine will end now. Putin will be untouchable.

I have no idea what you are talking about. I referred originally to Trump appointing an anti vaxer. I didn’t ask or comment about your own views.
Do you think it’s looking voter Americans to appoint an anti vaxer (a complete anti vaxer) to be in charge of health care?

It doesn’t because @Farting ignored what I said and focussed on covid vaccines. As did you. That’s not what I was referring to, as I assumed he/she’d be a covid denier of some sort given his/her other views.

I asked someone once where does America get there politics from. They responded with here silly we created it (England). If you think you can do it on your own like the UK then go ahead.

I know, and profoundly disagree with him on that - and even if I didn't the concept of having yet another Kennedy anywhere near power strikes me as the act of a madman

Farting's point about financial impact and manipulation still holds good though, especially when as mentioned the industry has a less than stellar record in this area

A few Measles epidemics, when people remember it’s a killer, and can also lead to lifelong disability, might help with the vaccine views.

The Trump administration is about making Trump and cronies richer .. USA Inc .. where, as a citizen, your only value is how much you can contribute to the wealth of some already very rich people.

The USA has always been fairly backward with how it treats the majority of its citizens, I guess they are just being more open with it now.

Never been more glad not to live there

For smallpox and polio vaccines too? Because he’s anti them as well.

The man concerned IS anti all vaccines ffs

@ThatRareUmberJoker

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Doesn't Trump want to come out of NATO and if he does where does that leave the rest of us?"

Well other NATO countries will have to increase their spending as a percentage of GDP to make up the shortfall rather than relying on US taxpayers to do this.

Currently the US spends 3.5% of GDP on defence, the UK 2.3% and for example Spain at 1.3%.

Would you be willing to say spend more on defence than the say the NHS. If not then Putin can do whatever he wants to in Eastern Europe.

What clinical trial? what peer group reviews? and whose pay and influence were those in the peer group doing the reviewing under?

Reasonable questions, @Farting, especially the last

FWIW I'm not one of the anti-vaxers, but all the same you're right that people don't want them asked - which may be unfortunate given that the industry's history includes far too much corruption and far too many cover ups

I don't. If they didn't like rapists they wouldn't like Trump. So it's very believable that they like Gaetz as well.
These are not rational people.

I doubt he'll care where it leaves the rest of us, ThatRareUmderJoker, and plenty will not care right alongside him

As I mentioned on another thread there are many Americans who get very, very tired of being expected to pay for everyone else's problems then getting snarled at for the privilege, and though hauling up the drawbridge is hardly ideal it would be popular with many