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AIBU to feel that dp is a coward?

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Notacoward · 06/11/2024 11:55

I'll start by saying there's context but I'll give the event first, then context for ease.

DP and I were involved in an incident yesterday with a group of people that was potentially life threatening. There was an accident where a few of the group were in danger - two of us stayed and did our best in the situation, checked each other were OK, and then looked for dp. He had ran away! Completely abandoned everyone to look after himself. I get that he must have been terrified but context....

He's ex forces and points out how brave he is all the time. He calls me weak and scared because I am more conscious of h+s and potential dangers. Years ago, he was posted in a safe country (military base) and I was a civvy based in another dangerous country (war torn) across the water. I was there during a difficult time and he often tells me how much better he would have dealt with it than me. Incidentally, I didn't run away and leave anyone and conducted myself well at that time, but I didn't like it when we left because I was physically and mentally spent and not in the headspace to be in an aircraft so took a Xanex to get through the journey (weak apparently). I dont even like rollercoasters. He often takes the piss. He wears his veteran badge on his jacket with ME country in question (and rightfully so), but I (the civvy) was actually in it, and the closest he got, despite him telling me how weak I am, was this base in another country - but he's much braver than me, you know? And yet yesterday, he ran off and left me and the others to try to protect one another.

I can't shake the feeling that he's a bit of a fanny. I wouldn't judge if it was anyone else, what happened was scary, but the fact he's banged on about being so strong and brave has made me feel a bit sick now I've seen his terror, and I can't look at him the same. I felt scared but I'd never run off - fear and courage can be displayed by the same person at the same time. I'm on painkillers at the min (minimal injuries really, it's a miracle) so maybe they're talking, so I won't confide in anyone irl, but please tell me if AIBU? I'm prepared to accept it if I am, I know people deal with danger in different ways. If I'm being a prick about him, I will hold my hands up and accept it.

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izzywizzydizzy · 06/11/2024 19:12

So he saw it coming, could have warned you, but chose to save himself and leave you to it. He will never have your back. You can never again rely on or respect him. And he'll probably double down on the "big man" act to compensate for his punctured ego.
When someone shows you who they are, believe them. He has shown you exactly who he is. It may be the biggest favour he'll ever do you.

WhatMe123 · 06/11/2024 19:11

I'm a therapist and is this really was life threatening then the fight, flight or freeze kicks in. People have literally no conscious control over this, the primitive brain takes over so sone will stay and fight. Sone freeze, play dead and sone flee. Often the persons reaction confuses them. I've worked with people who did fight back a man with a gun, people that have frozen during an attack and people that have ran and not cared for others. It's literally primitive and infiltrated in that situation no one would know their response.
However the day to day comments that he's stronger than you etc are more suspicious.
Is he generally poor in self esteem do you think, could he have responses with flight in the armed forces ans the guilt shame he feels now makes him try and feel better about himself maybe? That's the big I personally find stranger. He doesn't seem overly caring op

DyslexicPoster · 06/11/2024 19:10

Theendlesssteps765 · 06/11/2024 12:05

People who are really brave don’t need to bang on about it all the time. They let their actions do the talking.

Leaving the recent incident aside, he doesn’t sound like a very authentic person op!

I agree. Fil is ex forces and has told me before he could kill everyone in the room ( family wedding when I early twenties) yet he can't have a blood test. I always thought it was a really weird thing to say to me.

Whereas cousin who is ex RAF has never talked about what he has seen or done and I was shocked when he became an emergency worker and he said he has already seen it all. He never brags, he risks his life every day and saves lives without comment. There no need to the big man act, his actions are boasted on. He is humble.

thepariscrimefiles · 06/11/2024 19:09

Scribl · 06/11/2024 17:22

You sound like my ex husband, who bigged himself up after becoming a volunteer medical first responder. No one else was as smart or selfless as him. Everyone else was inferior. (Sound familiar, @Quitelikeit?)

He applied for a place on a crisis rescue team (the kind of crew that flies out to earthquakes etc.) and part of the gruelling and fairly dangerous assessment meant he actually had to be smart and selfless for his whole team to make it. Unfortunately, he hid himself away and scoffed the team's only food supplies, because according to him, only he understood the real assignment, which in his mind was to win by being the safest, the least hungry, and the most rested.

The concept of mitigating the risk of death in a real crisis by working together during the assessment, completely escaped him because he was a self aggrandising twat.

Unsurprisingly, he didn't score a place on the team AND my fanny instantly dried up when he told me how they had all spent the night problem solving while he'd had a lovely safe kip.

Good luck going forward, OP. Once seen, cowardice and negging behaviour can never be unseen, IMO.

How did he react at not getting a place on the team?

He does sound absolutely awful!

MaidOfSteel · 06/11/2024 19:04

I wonder if he has some sort if inferiority complex and puts you down to make himself feel better. That kind if behaviour is unacceptable.

My husband is an army veteran. He never brags about his experiences. And I know he'd never leave me, or even a bunch of strangers, in a situation like you describe, and run away. Never.

Wishing you a swift recovery, OP.

BetterInColour · 06/11/2024 19:02

I don't think this incident is a red herring at all. He's a twat as well as being not very brave.

I have stepped forward several times in life to call the emergency services or wrestle someone to the ground in a dangerous situation and the like. I don't want to do it, and my instinct is to run away but if it's for a family member, then I've just got on with it, despite that putting me at risk or being incredibly stressed during some emergency manoeuvre.

I cannot think of anything I need more from my husband to have my back in the ultimate situations of life, so for me this would be game over.

I think some scenarios of 'freeze' are a little bit different, for example, if you are being attacked by a larger person who is likely to win, then freeze may help you. Running away, not checking back, not saving anyone else, prioritising yourself- nope, not into that at all.

You can also teach yourself not to freeze sometimes, I remember doing psychology at school and the 'bystander effect' meaning no-one steps forward to help, so you have to point at people and ask them to do a specific task, not just shout 'help' as they think others will help. I've done this successfully as well, He would have been shit at that too, as you couldn't have even instructed him if he'd already fled.

I could forgive an initial hesitation or even someone crying, but not running away from saving me.

KittenHelp24 · 06/11/2024 18:55

WyrdyGrob · 06/11/2024 15:50

Is he, in fact, Sir Robin?

This was my first thought!

Lolapusht · 06/11/2024 18:55

From the sounds of it OP, you have great respect for the military which is probably why you’ve given this person the benefit of the doubt and accepted his bullshit.

He sounds horrendous…selfish, narc (the low self esteem sounds a good fit for being a covert narc), low self-esteem which means he has to put you down all the time, lazy. Of course he saw the danger before all of you because you’re all too stupid and non-special to have seen the danger. He’s changing the narrative so he’s right and the hero (because he doesn’t actually believe he’s any good, which is something he’s right about).

Enough about him. Ditch him. Don’t get married and don’t have kids with him. He’ll be a crap dad who doesn’t see why he should be up at 3am with a barfing child or why he should listen to 3 hours on Minecraft. Do you work? I assume he doesn’t do any housework without being micro-managed and then he’ll huff and puff about it and do such a shit job he’s creating more work.

You, however, sound amazing! You are clearly a very well-balanced, thoughtful and considerate person who has lead a hugely interesting life. Go find someone worthy of being your partner. Or don’t, whatever suits you best. Live your life to the full and use your experiences to help others as you sound like you can make an actual difference to people.

Wishing you a speedy recovery and a quick end to your relationship!

(Oh, get your family on board before you tell him you’re done. Bet they think he’s a twat but have put up with him because they respect your choices. Get your dad to help kick him out 😀)

theamooberry · 06/11/2024 18:50

I read about a similar thing a few months ago, the general consensus was he could've at least taken your hand and ran with you... He sounds like a pain.

Unicorntastic · 06/11/2024 18:38

I bet your Dad can see right through him. Even if his instinct was to run, did he come back to help you? Did he even ask how are you coping? He sounds like such a Walt, even though he served. He should be waiting on you hand and foot after the incident!

Solent123 · 06/11/2024 18:34

Was this to do with attacks on the emergency services yesterday? there were a few mentioned in the news - a couple sounded like they could have been very serious in terms of people getting hurt had things gone wrong.

MothralovesGojira · 06/11/2024 18:34

@Notacoward
I'm sorry but this relationship was over the nanosecond he turned and ran. He's done a good job on you too with DARVO and gaslighting I would guess.
Your problem now is how he's going to continue gaslighting you until you appear to accept his version of events. He's a coward and completely untrustworthy.

My niece is forces and was in a relationship with a man (also similar job in the forces in a nearby unit) who was furious that she had taken a long overseas posting, had booked on to another short overseas posting on her return and had been promoted. I think he asked her who'd she shagged to get a promotion and that he was never going to fucking salute her in a million years. The fact was that she was a huge distance away missing him and family and he'd phone her to tell her how great he was at his job and that he didn't need to go away in order to prove it. My DN is very career minded and she's going far but this inadequate prick just wanted to feel the bigger man by making her achievements small.

Confusedmeanderings · 06/11/2024 18:28

When you've had time to process this, it would be very interesting to hear his side of the story. Putting you down all those tears is breathtaking in it's arrogance. No one can predict how they will react in a dangerous situation, but to totally. ignore that you were at risk too and to make it all about himself is also breathtaking.

Vanfan · 06/11/2024 18:26

If Ive read between the lines right you are in Hospital OP because of your injuries - and your brave partner is left doing the housework . And he is complaining about this as its your fault he has work to do.

Oh please OP, do not return to this creature. Go back to your parents to recuperate and tell them how you came to be injured. And exactly how your partner protected himself rather than you.

Celebrate with your family the greatness that is you -and dont let anyone ever dim your sparkle again.

AD1509 · 06/11/2024 18:25

I would get the massive ick. What a loser!

Borninabarn32 · 06/11/2024 18:24

Noodlesmumm · 06/11/2024 12:20

He sounds really unpleasant, and is rude and patronising to you. But bravery is something you either are or not.

I personally have many qualities, but bravery is not one of them, no matter how hard I try ... I'm a quivering wreck

When the kids were small and had to deal with school problems, it made me feel ill. I always did it though but did not enjoy it (some people get off on it)

Bravery isn't not getting scared. It's being scared, but not running away. You did what your children needed, even if you were a quivering wreck. That's bravery right there.

November2024WL · 06/11/2024 18:23

Is this event in the news?

What would he do if his kid was in danger?

I could never respect a man that left me to die, if there was a chance of me living.

binkythepoodle · 06/11/2024 18:18

I just can't get over the fact he's asking about how you would feel if he died! Self absorbed or what.
Does the man have no self awareness at all?

Hollietree · 06/11/2024 18:10

I think I would be able to get past it if he had been a loving partner previously, but then panicked in a fight/flight incident and ran away…… but then after he was very worried about my wellbeing, apologised that his response was to run away from protecting me, saying “I don’t know if I could have forgiven myself if you’d been seriously injured or died.”

However if my husband reacted like your partner then I would be filing for divorce.

Mosalahiwoukd · 06/11/2024 18:08

Putting you down is worse than the cowardice IMHO. Sounds like he’s deeply insecure about his lack of ‘action’ when deployed even though he’s probably relieved too to have had an easy ride.

AutumnFroglets · 06/11/2024 18:06

I have only read the OPs posts.

The incident is a red herring tbh. He's been nasty and belittling for years before the incident, and he's nasty and belittling after the incident even though OP is hurt.

He's a 100% nasty shithead who should be dumped. It's nothing to do with cowardice but that's just the shit cherry on top of a shit cake.

idkbroidk · 06/11/2024 18:05

pls tell me i'm not the only one who is SO CURIOUS as to what this incident was?!

Bansheed · 06/11/2024 18:05

Notacoward · 06/11/2024 15:37

I understand what you're saying. He has many good points and is lots of fun. But this strand of ego has been present in varying levels and I think sometimes we play things down when they don't fit what we want. I'm appalled by his actions yesterday. And I feel strengthened by my own.

Th8s is known as confirmation bias. We ( all of us) ignore the evidence that doesn't fit our desired outcome

PanicAttax · 06/11/2024 18:04

Any guys who wants on about being brave/strong/a great liar so should have been in intelligence etc is often a bullshitter. You don't need to tell people if you are any of these things - actions not words is a saying for a reason.

CaptainBenson · 06/11/2024 17:58

I've been thinking more about this and I'm so mad for you! He's put out he needs to up the housework? He saw the danger and ran before even warning anyone?! He asked what if HE had died?!

He's just awful.

In the moment people can react differently and that's fair enough. It's the before and after that is the most awful.

How is he not embarrassed?
How is he not waiting on you happily, relieved you are alive and only a bit injured?

Please don't stay with this nob op.