We need to start asking why.

It was a mistake for Brown to say it, but she was, in fact, a bigot.

Yeah, my tolerance is running thin, I'll admit that. My tolerance for people who want to see a baby born but don't want the parents to be given any assistance from the government to ensure said baby has enough to eat and is living in a safe environment. My tolerance towards people who think it's just bad luck if you get raped and you should just magically deal with the consequences of becoming a parent off the back of it. My tolerance for people who want to see babies born with life limiting conditions, to parents who are being crippled by hospital bills (this is NOT me saying that children with life limiting conditions should be aborted, just to be clear, but that abortion is a valid choice for people in this situation to make) and not give them any assistance with said bills. People who think that "someone else" should adopt the babies and children who have been surrendered for any reason. People who staunchly defend the right to bear arms and shout "it's not the right time" to discuss gun control after a fatal school shooting.

If that makes me intolerant, I am intolerant and proud of it. And with that I will be unfollowing this thread as I need to do something more positive than this on such a dark day. I wish you a pleasant evening.

The whole thing boils down to race and identity in my opinion. The western world as a whole is now so diverse that it's native populations no longer feel secure in their own culture and they are seeking to stop the invasion from foreign countries and re-establish their status quo.

Ahhh, so only those who are actively adopters of (preferably medically fragile) children are allowed to have any opinion on the prolife / prochoice debate.

How very tolerant of you. 🙄

I know a lot of lovely Muslim people. Hardworking, tolerant and generally keeping their head down.

Like my husband: he's lived in the UK for over 20 years and is originally from Iran.

He's modern, an atheist and supports the rights of women.

I also had a fantastic doctor that treated my injuries after birth. She wore a veil.

I find the original, quoted post simplistic, generalising and ignorant.

I know a lot of lovely Muslim people. Hardworking, tolerant and generally keeping their head down.

Like my husband: he's lived in the UK for over 20 years and is originally from Iran.

He's modern, an atheist and supports the rights of women.

I also had a fantastic doctor that treated my injuries after birth. She wore a veil.

I find the original, quoted post simplistic, generalising and ignorant.

I’ll be absolutely solidly honest with you about immigration and why I don’t like it. I might get banned.

the people who arrive here from Afghanistan, or other Islamic countries, do not suddenly adopt our values and culture, the fair treatment of women, the tolerance for other religions the second their foot rests upon the shingle in Hastings beach.

culture, is all my country is. It’s not skin colour, it’s culture. The windrush generation was culturally Christian, like the UK is. They integrated quickly and well. The more recent wave of immigrants are not that. They are intolerant, misogynistic people I do not want to share a country with.

the next UK election will be won on immigration and anti woke values and Kemi and Nigel, will make a deal and win it together. And I’ll vote for them.

(Sorry if someone already posted this)

For my British and European friends who are "shocked" and "surprised", here are 10 reasons you didn't see this coming:

1. Americans love their country and want it to be the best in the world. America is a nation of people who conquered a continent. They love strength. They love winning. Any leader who appeals to that has an automatic advantage.

1. Unlike Europeans, Americans have not accepted managed decline. They don't have Net Zero here, they believe in producing their own energy and making it as cheap as possible because they know that their prosperity depends on it.

1. Prices for most basic goods in the US have increased rapidly and are sky high. What the official statistics say about inflation and the reality of people's lives are not the same.

1. Unlike you, Americans do not believe in socialism. They believe in meritocracy. They don't care about the super rich being super rich because they know that they live in a country where being super rich is available to anyone with the talent and drive to make it. They don't resent success, they celebrate it.

1. Americans are the most pro-immigration people in the world. Read that again. Seriously, read it again. Americans love an immigrant success story. They want more talented immigrants to come to America. But they refuse to accept people coming illegally. They believe in having a border.

1. Americans are sensitive about racial issues and their country's imperfect history. They believe that those who are disadvantaged by the circumstances of their birth should be given the opportunity to succeed. What they reject, however, is the idea that in order to address the errors of the past new errors must be made. DEI is racist. They know it and they reject it precisely because they are not racist.

1. Americans are the most philosemitic nation on earth. October 7 and the pro-Hamas left's reaction shocked them to their very core because, among other things, they remember what 9/11 was like and they know jihad when they see it.

1. Americans are extremely practical people. They care about what works, not what sounds good. In Europe, we produce great writers and intellectuals. In America they produce (and attract) great engineers, businessmen and investors. Because of this, they care less about Trump's rhetoric than you do and more about his policies than you do.

1. Americans are deeply optimistic people. They hate negativity. The woke view of American history as a series of evils for which they must eternally apologise is utterly abhorrent to them. They believe in moving forward together, not endlessly obsessing about the past.

10. America is a country whose founding story is one of resistance to government overreach. They loathe unnecessary restrictions, regulations and control. They understand that freedom comes with the price of self-reliance and they pay it gladly.

— Konstantin Kisin

I don't have to know their thoughts. I just have to know how many of them are adopting children, including medically fragile children. That number is certainly not the same as the number of people who claim to be pro life, not anywhere close.

This nails it for a lot of people

It’s astonishing that you claim to know personally what the thoughts are of “the VAST majority” (sic) of pro life people.

A prodigious achievement. 🙄

Pro life people who don't even care to do a quick google and find out that Trump is FAR from consistently pro life? Pro life people who (the VAST majority of them) literally don't care what happens to a baby once it's born, so long as it is? Pro life people who are against government assistance and pro gun?

It'd be laughable if it weren't so serious. See also "I voted for Trump because he's a Christian". A Christian who has consistently failed to uphold the sanctity of marriage, has multiple felonies to his name and can't even quote ONE bible verse? Yeah, great Christian he is.

I’ll be absolutely solidly honest with you about immigration and why I don’t like it. I might get banned.

the people who arrive here from Afghanistan, or other Islamic countries, do not suddenly adopt our values and culture, the fair treatment of women, the tolerance for other religions the second their foot rests upon the shingle in Hastings beach.

culture, is all my country is. It’s not skin colour, it’s culture. The windrush generation was culturally Christian, like the UK is. They integrated quickly and well. The more recent wave of immigrants are not that. They are intolerant, misogynistic people I do not want to share a country with.

the next UK election will be won on immigration and anti woke values and Kemi and Nigel, will make a deal and win it together. And I’ll vote for them.

Some of Trump’s votes will have come from pro life people. People who are sickened by the fact that more than 63 million abortions have been carried out since Roe v Wade.

This was a more polite version of what I was going to say which was -

People are generally thick and will believe any old shit that gets fed to them